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OneTaste Registered User (11/20/03 3:32 pm) Reply	Get with deprogram, Yellowbeard Because YellowBeard makes a good point at the end of his reply, I've moved this post, as well as his reply, to: Other websites and information/ New SRF ezboard/ Page 5 Any replies should probably go over there. Edited by: OneTaste at: 11/20/03 9:40 pm
YellowBeard420 Registered User (11/20/03 5:07 pm) Reply	Re: Get with deprogram, Yellowbeard OneTaste wrote: "Analyzing our feelings to show why we think the way we do? Kinda presumptuous, sir." We're all the same Person, so if we analyze your feelings or mine or Abraham Lincoln's, we're going to come to the same core conclusions. If your Kriya Yoga really worked as promised, you would know that. > "Well, deeply examining anything was never your goal, so you tossed that aside with nothing more than an assumption of what Chuckle believed, when in fact, you don’t know Chuckle from China." When I speak simply from the heart on these issues, I'm accused of not providing enough details. When I provide details, you say it doesn't apply. When I speak from the perspective of psychology, you say you don't understand. I don't need to know Chuckle from China. Chuckle is China, you're China, and I'm China. The outward details of our lives has no meaning in regard to the core issue that I've raised -- the pitfalls of hierarchy. It appears hierarchy is something you hold dear and that's why you attempted to make fun of my commentary on oneness. Thank goodness truth doesn't need your approval like your hierarchy does. It doesn't need faith like your hierarchy does. It doesn't need fellowship, and it doesn't need to be propped up like your hierarchy. > "Damn, in that explanation of what makes us “elves,” it is so apparent that you are talking to yourself, or should I say your elf." Very observant, and I mean that honestly. My elf is your elf, it's our elf. > "I’m sorry Santa didn’t give you the Power Ranger you wanted. I really am. But maybe you should stop taking it out on us, ok?" My thread had a warning at the top warning you guys, but you came anyway. I made it clear that your views of hierarchy would be threatened. You came for more, again and again. Now you don't like it. I don't feel there's any need for another YellowBeard thread. I'm going to stick to mine with the issue of hierarchy so new people can see how this all plays out it one place. If the issues get spread out all over, it's going to be difficult to follow. Also I don't want to spam up this board. Out of respect for your guys board here, I don't want to clutter things up any more than need be. So If you wanna respond to the statements I've made here or on any other Yellowbeard stuff, please take it to the original thread. Otherwise you can have a monologue commentary on YellowBeard here, which actually would be fine. You guys can express your feelings about what I've brought up without me interfering which may be a good thing. All in all, I feel it's for the best.
Punk Yogi Registered User (11/21/03 1:22 am) Reply	Malarky Replay Ahoy there Captain Yellowbeard! Sooooo... some scurvy knaves want to reduce yer tale to a dog's bark and a toad's croak. This is the fate of all pissants. "A pissant" according to Kurt Vonnegut " is someone who thinks he he's so damn smart, he can never keep his mouth shut. No matter what anybody says, he's got to argue with it. You say you like something , and, by God, he'll tell you why you're wrong to like it. A pissant does his best to make you feel like a boob all the time. No matter what you say, he knows better." If you want to free yourself of this blotch to yer character just get up on your hind legs and go WOOF WOOF and AAAARRGG YAP YAP or RRRIBIT RRRiBiT! Say something gossipy about getting laid off at the Mother Center and something about how you got a new car after practicing Kriya. Never criticize the guru. Here's why: Suppose a ship is sinking from a perforated hull. According to the rules, the mechanics may enter any room except the captain's unless they have his permission. A gaping hole is pumping water furiously into the captain's quarters. The captain is dead, but the crew will not enter the room and inspect the problem until the captain gives permission. And you're the squeeky pissant who's jumping up and down saying, "Hey! Let's go in!" So everybody's getting upset. They turn to you and say, "Hey you there jumping up and down like a Chihuahua. You elf. Why are you so s-elf-ish? Shut up already!" And they gang together and jump on top of you and punch you till you start talking about holes in donuts instead of holes in ships. And that reminds everybody that there are some donuts in the galley. So they all leave you seeing stars as you lie slumped at the foot of the captain's door while they search the larder for the goodies. Meanwhile the bow of the ship tilts at a 45 degree angle. But somebody in the crew is wise enough to say that "we must analyze the reason for this sudden change in pitch of the ship." Ya! and somewhere down by the Captain's quarters can be heard the dumb mumblings of the pissant with a wild imagination. "It must be Davey Jones acting up" says one. "It must" says another. PS For a case study in how the intent of a thread quickly gets split ends, study the following... pub78.ezboard.com/fsrfwal...D=14.topic pub78.ezboard.com/fsrfwal...D=13.topic "Love your neighbors, till they annoy you" -- P. Y.
etzchaim Registered User (11/21/03 5:22 am) Reply	Re: Malarky Replay Punk Yogi, y'know, I was one of those original Punkers, back in the late 70's. Oy. I'm wondering where you got this control freak stuff. Where's the Anarchy in ya, babe? I just read the divinesex/healing thread and it seems to me that people were responding from their own perspectives, but holy sex dude just wasn't having any of it, just wasn't into the ol'ojas bit. I can understand that, I've been looking for a nice, pragmatic, anarchic, yogi dyke like me for years, just an unlucky chick, I guess, but he wasn't very good at the exchange of information and listening to what others were trying to say, much like are Captain YB, yarrrrr, but without the now very humerous intense ego trip. The first thing to learn about people is that ya can't control them, dorky as it sounds, you have to learn to flooowwwwww. Life is much easier when you get to that point. This isn't a University. Perhaps Captain YB would be better off just writing a paper and trying to publish it in a respectable anti-cult journal rather than come in here wanting to tell us how to think and expla-aining our spiritual level and how we suck and all that? Edited by: etzchaim at: 11/21/03 5:52 am
Punk Yogi Registered User (11/21/03 11:11 am) Reply	Oy! 1) Attention Deficit Disorder is not an expression of Anarchy 2) You're searching for a nice, pragmatic, anarchic, yogi dyke... Ever consider relieving a few of the nuns? That would be sooo punk.
etzchaim Registered User (11/21/03 11:29 am) Reply	Re: Oy! Rudeboy, I see you too have trouble carrying on a conversation and like to hide behind rudeness and being a tough boy, but whatever. We seem to have different understandings of Anarchy, I might be a bit more thoughful than you, judging from your response. "As far as consistency of thought goes, I prefer inconsistency." --John Cage Where I saw a thread that had a good amount of creative contribution that could have turned into a discussion about the holiness of sex and the difficulties caused by believing that celebacy was holier and the problems that happen when people view sex as dirty, had the original poster not been so concerned with enforcing his own agenda and actually LISTENED to what other people were saying. You saw what you have reduced to A.D.D. Forgive me, but you gave me a slogan, and not an exchange of information, creative or otherwise. So be it. I'll not trouble you further. I don't know any nuns, and that would be rather unhealthy, spiritually, not to mention approaching rape. We appear to also have a different understanding of "punk". I was speaking rather of the relationship type of relationship, you see, or perhaps that's too serious for you and you prefer hiding behind jokes, and "lofty" condescension. Can you contribute anything but jokes? Would be interesting to see you try. If not, so sorry to disturb your silliness. Edited by: etzchaim at: 11/21/03 5:43 pm
Punk Yogi Registered User (11/22/03 12:37 am) Reply	Etzy Baby! Punk Yogi has a headache and asked that his doctor write the following response on his behalf... Etzy I disagree. At the time Sacred Lovemaker started his thread, there were already several threads on the subject of the Yogananda / Erskine case. The Walrus didn't need yet another one ... and another one.. ad naseum. Sacred Lovemaker brought up a legitimate highly undervalued issue in SRF. He was part of a team of Walrus members who were attempting to congeal an awareness and create very targeted discussions about the overly monasticized influence present in SRF. He was one of the first to do so on the Walrus. He and other like-mnded individuals were members for twenty years or more and had been centrally involved with SRF in the temples, youth programs, Convocations. All were householders (has anybody ever held a house?). One, a practicing psychotherapist. In those days, people who came to the Walrus felt that the harmful black and white thinking disseminated by the SRF organization through monasticism and the teachings needed to be addressed and changed. They made phone calls; they wrote letters; they held face-to-face meetings with each other. They even confronted ministers about this. These were not armchair activists. These were very hard core devotees who had gotten badly burned and felt it was their spiritual right and calling to come forth. Sacred Lovemaker, a good friend of mine, was one of them. Punk Yogi was one of those people, but he differed from the rest in that he only came into the picture when a little wildness was called for. His purpose was, is and always will be to play with SRF like a toy. He is the Frankenstein SRF created in its obsession to make everything perfect, clean and conforming. Punk has no respect for SRF, neither has he respect for you or for himself. He's incapable of anything but being who he is. Punk is neither spiritual nor unspiritual. He's a force of nature. Like a volcano. Sometimes like a fart. Punk Yogi told me to point something out to you. He is wondering if you've taken responsibility for your own self-righteousness. And he tells you to get on your knees and worship him. If you don't, he will spank you, and he's got lots of things he can use to do it. Repeat after me... "Punk Yogi is God" "Punk Yogi knows more about life than I do" "Punk inspires me to be a better fool" "I Love Punk Yogi" "I even like Yellowbeard.. though Punk is obviously superior to him" "When I grow up I want to be just like Punk" "When I grow up I want to marry Punk" "Some like it hot, Some like it Punk. Punk likes it both ways"
etzchaim Registered User (11/22/03 5:46 am) Reply	Volcano Man I feel bad for you Punky, I really do and I'm conscious of my own self-rightiousness. I forgive myself daily and work on feeling content with my personality. I'll get rid of it when I die, hopefully. I disagree with you and your doctor. People can only work from where they are at. That is fundamental and any psychologist worth anything would know that. Your friends could have engaged the poor, struggling, uncooperative people in pain, in a discussion that incorporated their issues with the idea of the holiness and healing qualities of sex, and worked the monastic issues into it. In other words, stop engaging in SRF tactics of blame and accusations of not being 'good enough' and worked with the situation they had. In more other words, stop trying to make the damn forum so God awfully perfect, because they never will be and deal with the situation. When a project is not working, complain all you want, life is teaching you something and change tactics. Sorry about my own self-rightiousness here and similarity to the 'shoulds' of SRF, but no one can force another person to carry more than they can. Things will start to drop and break. If you can understand your own damage, perhaps you can understand other peoples? Perhaps not. I'll pray for you. I apologize in advance for the nausea that might cause you. Maybe the volcano will erupt and you'll see yourself more clearly. Interesting life lesson, gotta hand it to you. Your soul really wanted to learn something. My heart goes out to you. There are these places in California, if you are there, called Ceragem. It's a Korean created massage table based on Chinese medical practices. If you are not too cynical, try to find one. They often do not speak English though, so just walk in, find the box with the blankets and pick a table, press 'auto'. The treatments are free and unlimited. If you can't work through your sh't mentally, it might work for you in your body. If anything, it's a free massage with jade rollers and a lot of heat. Works with volcano issues. That's a perl, be a swine if you want, it might be fun and rebellious and get you off, but try to turn backwards and pick up the offer. Edited by: etzchaim at: 11/22/03 6:08 am
Punk Yogi Registered User (11/22/03 1:38 pm) Reply	Re: Volcano Man Etzy We love you and accept you .. savior complex and all! The Doctor descibes Punk as a volcano and sometimes a fart. That's a bit dramatic. Punk would rather be thought of as an complex ocean and sometimes a foamy wave. Punk's advice to you is to stop giving advice. Stop trying to fix people. Nobody is interested. Punk's not interested. Punk Yogi is very happy being himself despite what the doctor said. Doctors have this need to put everything in comprehensible boxes. ... by the way, did I ever tell you that you'd make a great doctor? "Love your neighbors, till they annoy you" -- P. Y.
etzchaim Registered User (11/22/03 2:22 pm) Reply	Re: Volcano Man Punky, I'll stop trying to fix you, but everybody's different, so I'm not going to stop trying to fix. What if I stumble into someone that wants to be fixed and I forget to do so? That would be irritating and by that time, I might have developed some skill. Anyway, it's hard to break deeply engrained habits, even if they're bad. I was thinking about the quote you are using. I think it sounds better as "Love your neighbors so you can annoy them." A complex ocean could have volcanic eruptions in it which would eventually have islands. Then during those times when you are a foamy wave, you could lap up against yourself.

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