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Perplexed
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(12/16/01 6:04 pm)
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Bro. Ramananda
Several times Bro. Ramananda has visited our city to give talks and he has always seemed rather upset with or about something. He often scolds people, and when you chat with him informally he always seems to doubt your sincerity (that's a word he seems to use often). A few times I've been to Encinitas temple for Sunday service and afterwards when he greets the members I've tried to go up to him and say hi. He looks at me for a moment and then turns his face the other way and starts to talk to someone else. He doesn't know me personally, nor do I believe he recognizes me from the thousands of faces he meets on his trips, so I don't think it's something personal. One or two other people have commented to me that they've picked up on the same thing when they've been around him. Does anyone know what the deal is with this strange behavior?

premdas
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(12/16/01 9:11 pm)
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Re: Bro. Ramananda
Perplexed! See my post in the "Convocation" section entitled, "An Instance in 1994 that changed my life".

Kevin
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(1/4/02 9:49 pm)
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did u ever asked him?
Did you ever ask him about it? Did you ever write to him?

I knew him pretty well and while I can see some of his authoritative traits in your description- he does have a good ego- I also knew him as an incredible thoughtful, considerate human being and humble enough to admit his faults if confronted with them. Why don't you give it a try?

Redster
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(1/29/02 12:35 pm)
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RE: Brother Ramananda
Sometimes we're supposed to learn something about ourselves if we're treated a particular way—whether by a monastic or others in our lives.


I worked for over a year at Lake Shrine on the cleaning crew, and when Brother Ramananda came into inspect your work, you could be sure that there would be something you'd need to redo because it wasn't "just so."


Well, I decided one day that I was going to get through the cycle without having to redo a thing. I worked and scrubbed the bathroom in the gardening area—the shower, the sink, the toilet, the floor. I even pulled out every item from the medicine chest, cleaned it stem to stern (and all the stuff I'd pulled out), and cleaned all the windows, and pulled out the screens and washed them, too.


Just as I was finishing the last swipe on the floor, Brother Ramananda came in to inspect. I put rags on the floor so he could step through and check the shower. He looked at everything, and then opened up the cabinets to inspect—all clean. Then he whipped open the medicine cabinet (almost expectantly, it seemed), only to find it sparkling as well. Just as he was about to leave, he turned to point at the windows and started to say, "The windows..." then stopped. He continued, ...look very clean. You did well."


It was the first time any of us had "passed muster" in six months. He pushed us to be thorough, to miss nothing—because we were doing this for God and Guru who deserved our every attention to detail.


I also used to work in the gardens, and one day shortly thereafter, had climbed high into the geraniums right by the windmill chapel (the new Temple had not yet been built). I was "cleaning" the geraniums—picking the dead flowers and leaves off each flower so the carpet of flowers would look pristine, rather than shaggy.


Brother Ramananda, wearing his ever-present straw hat came by. He stopped, looked up at me, and with a twinkle in his eye said, "You don't do anything half-way, do you?" then walked on.


It was a great compliment.


But you see... the compliment really was for him in my mind—for due (at least in part) to his seemingly overly-critical manner, he spurred us on to do everything with the idea of that our best should be the norm—that our deeds were for God and Guru, and they deserved nothing less than everything we had in us.


So perhaps there's something you need to learn from this experience...


Then again, he IS human, and maybe its' something else.


So I'll tell you what Bramachari Isaac said to me once when I was hesitant about asking permission for something from Mother Centre. He sternly but lovingly admonished me, "If you don't ask, you don't get. Don't over-think, don't assume and don't project what the answer will be. Just ask."


So ask him—perhaps a note would be easier for you, maybe face-to-face is more to your liking. But I would advise you to do it in private, and not put him on the spot in front of others.

Dig
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(3/12/02 3:37 pm)
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Bro. Ramananda
No Line Chatter Grunt, get back to work ramananda!!!

As Brother Ramanada
Unregistered User
(3/13/02 10:41 pm)
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Would Say,
No guts, No glory!

Dig
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(3/13/02 11:39 pm)
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bro. ramananda
TALK IS CHEAP!!!

Rosemarie7
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(11/9/02 9:58 pm)
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Re: RE: Brother Ramananda
Wow Redster, I find it amazing there was a cleaning crew...

Did you ever consider that what you're suppose to learn is not to let anybody treat you that way again?

Life is tough enough without putting up with abuse you don't have to put up with.





chela2020
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(12/11/02 5:23 am)
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Re: Bro. Ramananda
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Edited by: chela2020 at: 7/1/03 4:25 pm
djali123
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(12/11/02 6:48 am)
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"he who has no sin let him cast the first stone"
Thanks chela2020. Your post shows we're too quick to judge others by a single incidents which we interpret according to our biases. Only God knows what's in each one's heart. We all have faults, but I don't think that calling others by names and demonizing them does any good to anyone, especially the ones who judge. Of course I have this fault also, but I don't see how this judging helps. I'm not saying we shouldn't have constructive criticism to help improve situation, but I see some threads here which are like: let's bash <insert name>.

member108
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(12/12/02 6:44 am)
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Ramananda
Ramamada is terribly compulsive and like most of them acting from a base of fear. It is a long term habit. Many people like him and I am sure he is a sincere seeker, however he has grown up in a disturbed environment. 0]

Environment is stronger than will.

Rosemarie7
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(12/12/02 7:23 am)
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The Need to Control People...
A therapist once told me that when somebody is trying to control you it's because they don't feel like they have control over their own life. She also added that, control is an allusion: we don't really have control of our lives.

I know that sounds scarry, but once you give up trying to make your life a go your way and give it all to God it is a relief. (Not that I can do that all the time, yet.)

Maybe Ramananda and the guy at the trailer park don't feel they have control of what's happening in their lives.

I think most of us are taking our lives back from a controlling organization that we had mistaken for God and are handing it directly to God: less the middle-man. *IMHO*

Edited by: Rosemarie7 at: 12/12/02 7:28:57 am
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