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AtThyFeet Registered User (8/19/05 9:38 am) Reply	FUN!!! Can a householder become a Swami on the Kriya path? Hi everyone, Here, just for fun, is quite a "juicy" question for you all (which will probably horrify some of our more orthodox friends....): "Does the Kriya Yoga tradition allow for a married person, a householder, to become a swami???" "WHAT? NOOO WAY!" thunders with indignation the chorus of orthodoxy... Yet we read something interesting in the "Autobiography of a Yogi": Babaji made Sri Yukteswar a Swami at the Kumbha Mela. This happened during(!) Lahiri Mahasaya's lifetime (in January 1894, according to the "Holy Science"). Then we read that Sri Yukteswar was later formally and officially initiated in Bodh Gaya: "After my wife died, I joined the Swami Order and received the new name of Sri Yukteswar Giri." That event, as we read, happened after(!) Lahiri Mahasaya's lifetime (after September 1895), as Yogananda explains in a footnote: 'Yukteswar' was his monastic name, which was "not received by my guru during Lahiri Mahasaya's lifetime." (Swami Prajnanananda, who wrote a book on Sri Yukteswar, writes about this formal event: "Swami Shriyukteshwarji was initiated into sannyas, monastic life, by Swami Krishna Dayal Gir of Bodhagaya, on Guru Purnima, fullmoonday, of July in 1906.") Looking clearly at Yogananda's quotes, we see with surprise, maybe even being a bit dazzled: When Babaji made Sri Yukteswar a Swami at the Kumbha Mela, his wife was very much alive: He was still a married man! Babaji, then, to our divinest amazement, made Sri Yukteswar a "married Swami"! (He fittingly calls himself "Priya Nath Swami" in "The Holy Science". Priya Nath was his family name- thus he was a "family Swami") Fasten your seatbelts, friends... there's more to come...: Interestingly, Yogananda made Rajarsi a Swami, giving him the orange robe and a Swami-name in 1951, complete with vow and ceremony, while he was a married man! His wife Frieda died after him. (She, according to Durga Ma's book, was the reason why Rajarsi ended up being buried in Kansas, not in Los Angeles, next to his Master). Yogananda, to our surprise, made Rajarsi, too, a "married Swami." Isn't that 100% fun (for some of us, who don't love all those neat boxes)? Is the Kriya-path, after all, maybe not an extremely orthodox one? Maybe because this is Dwapara Yuga? Good bye, oh ye old stiff boxes! See you next Kali Yuga! Divine Laughter to you all, AtThyFeet Edited by: AtThyFeet at: 8/20/05 11:37 pm
username Registered User (8/20/05 6:47 am) Reply	Re: FUN!!! Can a householder become a Swami on the Kriya pat Well, according to Shibendu, Lahiri had several children after he was enlightened.
moyma Registered User (8/21/05 9:22 pm) Reply	Re: FUN!!! Can a householder become a Swami on the Kriya pat I have never heard him say that ......but it doesn't really matter, he did have two sons. He's right about Yukteswar and Rajasi.....also Gyanamata ? wasn't her husband still alive when she came to mt Washington ? Seems like if they really wanted it he gave it to them....thats great though ....they need to break the lines between the two .Finding God is the Important one, In spite of your Karma..... Is there a order for married couple's ? One that stresses moderation and self control ? Thats what people really need. Thats kinda what Ananda has done. There minister's are married.....Swami's ? no ....but still it is not a bad idea
feelbetrayed Registered User (8/22/05 2:14 pm) Reply	Re: FUN!!! Can a householder become a Swami on the Kriya pat Quoted from moyma: "Is there a order for married couple's ? One that stresses moderation and self control ? Thats what people really need." Brother Mokshananda said at a Lake Shrine VL meeting that Master wanted to have a 3rd order. (1) Monks, (2) Nuns, (3) Lay disciples. The VL (Voluntary League) groups that meet at temples were supposed to be the forerunner of a future lay disciple order. The married couples group living by Hollywood temple was suppsed to be a pilot group toward that goal too. I don't know how that meshes with Master's expressed urgent plan for young people to immediately start World Brotherhood Colonies. Edited by: feelbetrayed at: 8/22/05 2:16 pm
divine gypsy Registered User (8/24/05 11:24 am) Reply	Re: FUN!!! Can a householder become a Swami on the Kriya pat A third order would be great, with a real BOD that includes representatives from various parts of the country (or world), some married/some single, no control by Mother Center, and a sincere attempt to use the teachings to generate and share the wisdom to solve the the real problemes of "life in the world" rather than living in out-of-touch fear and isolation.
Paramadas Registered User (8/25/05 9:51 pm) Reply	Re: FUN!!! Can a householder become a Swami on the Kriya pat DG, I think that's the most sensible suggestion I've heard in a long while. Trouble is, it would require that those in power share that power, and I've seen enough of those folks to know that, not only will they not share, they have demonstrated a consistent pattern over many decades of usurping as much power as they can, and then centralizing it. I used to believe their damned lie that Master directed the old ladies to change the AY and his other writings, until I started looking at the content of those changes. In every case, a given change centralized power in the hands of SRF and denied power and self-respect to anyone else. These changes have been obscenely self-serving, and it demonstrates a profound corruption of Master's enlightened vision of a "Church of All Religions." What will it take to break SRF out of its old habits? Well, what's always the catalyst for such a change? Crisis, of course. Hey, here's a cool question---does anybody have the astrology chart for SRF? I was just thinking that Uranus is often associated with crisis, breaking old molds, etc., and it might be instructive to see whether a church follows the same astrological laws as everything else. If anybody wants to venture a guess as to SRF's birthday, please post!
Used Yogi Registered User (8/28/05 9:58 am) Reply	Re: FUN!!! Can a householder become a Swami on the Kriya pat You could find out from the California Secretary of State's office when SRF's incorporation was filed by the state. Nowadays they even timestamp the incorporation papers. Don't know if they did that back then.

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