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Mystic Traveller Registered User (3/11/04 12:57 pm) Reply	Re: Nirbikalpa Samadhi The point about Yogananda receiving Kriya from his father. It is okay so long as his father had permission from his Guru to do so. He merely acted as his Guru's agency. Yogananda's father instructed him regard Lahiri Mahashya as his Guru (not himself). He acted as per the protocol. Kriya practice cannot fructify if it is not received from a bona fide source. And what is a bona fide source: 1) Either a Siddha himself (sombody like Babaji or Yeshuwa) 2) or a person authorized by a Siddha. Unless you fall in any of the above categories (if you call yourself a Guru or aspire to be one) , you are like a blind man leading the other blind. You will fall into ditch sooner or later and drag your naive "disciples" into it too. You don't realize that you are on a self-destructive ego trip. For the last time, Yogananda had the experience of Nirvikalpa Samadhi even before he moved to America and he did not start taking disciples without having his Satguru authorize him to do so. If you want to read more on the different grades of Gurus, read Hindu scriptural classic "Guru Gita". There are different kinds of Gurus but the one who will take you across fully is Sat Guru. Unless you have a SatGuru, your progress on the path of enlightenment would be extremely slow and arduous.
etzchaim Registered User (3/11/04 1:01 pm) Reply	Re: Nirbikalpa Samadhi Honestly, Mystic, I really don't care about all the different grades of Gurus! Just to be clear, this was your original statement: "Unless you have reached that state, you should not be bothered about teaching others on Kriya. Unless one has the ability to enter "Nirvikalpa Samadhi" at will , it is dangerous to see oneself in position of instructing others." The 'state' you were refering to was clearly the mastery of the 8 siddhis. Your Fundamentalism is very repulsive to me, I chose another way. God bless. Edited by: etzchaim at: 3/11/04 1:09 pm
moyma Registered User (3/11/04 1:08 pm) Reply	Re: The measuring stick I don't think you have to be a master to teach kriya....look at all the people Yogananda had do it when he was alive..... many were young and didn't really have a clue about kriya but they were tuned into him.....perfecting Kriya I think is done thru the heart and not the head.Peggy Deitz's who used to be master's chaffuer no doubt she was a high soul she said master taught her how to stay IN her body ! Master told her to give Kriya to other's and she wasn't even part of SRF ! I think she had a meditation group in ashland or. Not sure about kamila but kriyananda was in his early twenty's and master had him do it and he will be the frist to admit he didn't really have a clue what was happening with it. I would like everyone who teaches it to be a very high soul but...... the blessings can come thru even if there not....sounds corney but it all depends on you......
ranger20 (3/11/04 1:34 pm) Reply	Re: Nirbikalpa Samadhi *Quote:* Kriya practice cannot fructify if it is not received from a bona fide source. And what is a bona fide source: In the first four editions of the Autobiography (Philosophical Library), that Yogananda personally supervised, he states: "The actual technique must be learned from a Kriyaban or Kriya Yogi; here a broad reference must suffice." www.geocities.com/ay1946/chap26.html Not until the 1956 edition (SRF), when he and Rajasi are gone, do the editors change the phrase to read "an authorized SRF/YSS Kriyaban." He also simply notes that while he had the technique from two others, it became much more powerful for him when he got it from his guru. He does not negate the previous training: "Sri Yukteswar chose the following morning to grant me his Kriya Yoga initiation. The technique I had already received from two disciples of Lahiri Mahasaya-Father and my tutor, Swami Kebalananda-but in Master's presence I felt transforming power. At his touch, a great light broke upon my being, like glory of countless suns blazing together. www.geocities.com/ay1946/chap12.html *Quote:* For the last time, Yogananda had the experience of Nirvikalpa Samadhi even before he moved to America and he did not start taking disciples without having his Satguru authorize him to do so. Important point of terminology. Sri Yuketeswar gave him an experience of Sabikalpa Samadhi, which is not permanent, but is dependant on medatation to enter: "Sri Yukteswar taught me how to summon the blessed experience at will, and also how to transmit it to others if their intuitive channels were developed." www.geocities.com/ay1946/chap14.html Yogananda never claimed that experience was the "highest" samadhi. We find in the writings (only) of his followers, that he had a "great" samadhi in 1948, and told some of them "From now on I will always be in this state, but no one will know it." That's the definition of Nirbikalpa samadhi. -- Ranger, who has yet to experience these states, who would probably hesitate to say so if he had, but who does claim to have read much of the literature carefully. Edited by: ranger20 at: 3/11/04 1:37 pm
Mystic Traveller Registered User (3/11/04 1:42 pm) Reply	Re: The measuring stick Dear etzchaim, What you regard as "fundamentalism" is a necessary thing to protect an esoteric teaching to be taken over and corrupted by charlatans. It is there to protect the teaching from dilution and distortion . The psychic states or "siddhis" are a litmus test of one's progress on the path. True Yogins do not seek them as "powers" but as "proofs". The word "siddhi" and "siddha" come from the same Sanskrit root "sidh" , which means "proof" or empirical verification. It does not mean "power". The translation of the word "sidhi" as "power" is a conceptual distortion of the principle. They are what make Yoga an emprically verifiable system of science, not some mumbo jumbo cult doctrine. They are not there to balm one's ego. So there is no spiritual harm in aspiring for them if pursued with right objective. Yogananda was performing miracles much before 1950 as alleged by some. Even assuming for argument's sake that he did not have Nirvikalpa Samadhi, he still had the authorization from a bona fide Guru to pass on the teaching . Edited by: Mystic Traveller at: 3/11/04 1:45 pm
etzchaim Registered User (3/11/04 1:49 pm) Reply	Re: Nirbikalpa Samadhi Thanks Ranger, particularly for the definition of Sabikalpa Samadhi and explaining that experience. Moyma, there seems to be a very strong movement towards rigidity and ideology in the latter part of the 20th century and continuing today. I see it in many traditions - perhaps it is a backlash of some sort? It's very clear that this is more of a contemporary issue, and that Yogananda himself was much more open and free about the techniques and who was "qualified". The Kriya techniques are techniques among many techniques. They are very apt, and can lead to enlightenment, but so can many other techniques, if the practitioner's heart and mind are directed to higher levels. Getting caught up in rigidity, spiritual materialism and siddhis is where the pitfalls actually lie. Etz, who hasn't read the Kriya material as carefully as Ranger $:\$ , and spends much more time studying Kabbalah, but can smell a Fundamentalist from either group a mile away! This one smells quite familiar, actually.
etzchaim Registered User (3/11/04 2:00 pm) Reply	Re: The measuring stick "What you regard as "fundamentalism" is a necessary thing to protect an esoteric teaching to be taken over and corrupted by charlatans. It is there to protect the teaching from dilution and distortion ." I think we have different interpretations of what distorts the Kriya teaching, Mystic Traveller.
etzchaim Registered User (3/11/04 2:15 pm) Reply	Re: The measuring stick "The word "siddhi" and "siddha" come from the same Sanskrit root "sidh" , which means "proof" or empirical verification." The root "sidh" means "achievement" or "attainment". Siddhis come naturally in any mystical path simply because one becomes more unified with God. They occur among all Mystical practitioners on all paths, Hindu, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Shamanic, Muslim, etc.. They are not requirements for God realization and often impede it if focused on. Many traditions use them as "proofs", but just as many warn against them as distractions and spiritual hurdles.
ranger20 (3/12/04 10:56 am) Reply	Re: Nirbikalpa Samadhi The Kriya techniques are techniques among many techniques. They are very apt, and can lead to enlightenment, but so can many other techniques, if the practitioner's heart and mind are directed to higher levels. Getting caught up in rigidity, spiritual materialism and siddhis is where the pitfalls actually lie. Well said. I enjoyed a related online item recently. Lama Surya Das responding to a question from someone who does not really like to meditate: *Quote:* This is a very interesting and fairly common question...The truth is that there's a lot more to authentically liberating and transformative spirituality--and even to the path of Buddhism-- than just meditating. �Sitting some� is fine. The real question is: What else are you doing with your life? People occasionally ask me in public forums, "Why do I have to meditate?" And I always reply, "Who said you have to?" Who says we have to get enlightened? What is our motivation? What are we looking for or even lacking, for that matter? Sometimes I think there�s too much tight-lipped silence, grim sitting and bowing going down in the Buddhist ghetto, and that we could all use a little more Dharma stand-up! If the Buddha lived today, I suspect he�d add a few extra innings to his famous Eight-fold Path to Enlightenment, such as Good Exercise, Good Parenting and Good Humor. For a man cannot live by serious religiosity alone. Take my word for it, I�ve tried. www.beliefnet.com/story/1...939_1.html Edited by: ranger20 at: 3/12/04 10:57 am
moyma Registered User (3/12/04 12:19 pm) Reply	Re: Nirbikalpa Samadhi from what I know of Kriya , yeah it has to have the guru's grace, but what difference does it make if it is 2 generation or 3 or 4th.....time is our problem not the guru's....when we get the attunement that blessing of Kriya will make it's way thru,even if the one giving the kriya isn't all that tuned in.look what happened between Jesus and john.Jesus got the blessing even greater than john, the guru !There has to be that attunement, even if it was somewhere in OUR distant past. yeah , the law has to be fulfilled but who says it hasn't been done already.I think alot of what Yogananda talked about in the AY was like a play for our sakes......so we could understand the spiritual path.if you are already free and come back like he did, you have to realize it on some level, thru out your life.I heard that all the saints he visited in the AY were actually paying tribute to him......they saw who he was....even though he didn't write it that way.
SatoriElixir Registered User (12/21/05 2:52 am) Reply	Re: What's kriya done for you? One thing all the yogic breathing and kriya yoga meditation actually FEED DARK FORCES(DF)...more energy. The astral attachment or DF is vampiring off of you and the more you meditate with that yogic stuff the more they feed on it. One of the results to this type of relationship is that the energy vampire pulls energy from sources around you...like LIGHTS. This type of possession is real common among NEW AGERs who channel, do yogic or some time of "altering their energy field breathing" and opening themselves up willingly by activating their chakras. THIS IS VERY DANGEROUS. It's not recommended to people that they meditate without proper guidance and instruction and don't recommend yogic breathing as that is one thing the astral entities LOVE... I steer people away from SRF, and kriya yoga, and TM meditation and any kind of meditation that is done without "setting up the proper protection." Kriyas are an "ASTRAL ENERGY" event. They like other breathing and nervous sytem practices... alter the nervous system and open up the chakras so that the human reality is now anchored more with the astral reality. THAT SPELLS TROUBLE WITH A CAPITAL T MEDITATION IS TROUBLE...... Many people get possessed through meditation. A practice that should NOT HAVE BEEN given to the masses. You can't give kriya to beginning Disciple level. Trouble is....the people at SRF have no idea WHO people are, they have no REAL discernment except what you write them, or in brief interviews or even the monks that live at the ashram...they're all still stuck in Disciple level. Tens of thousands of newagers are going around meditating when they have no idea what they are doing, they do the SRF exercises...without any discernment or protection....its a mess. The dark forces use ALL THESE techniques....they readily use Kriya, they use meditation, they use ANYTHING that affects your nervous system. All these techniques do are open you up to the astral worlds and astral energy. Something INDIA was big on doing ....but has caused a lot of trouble for the INDIAN people and now people in the west. Astral powers are NOT to be messed around with. You don't have to do yogic breathing to gain your freedom. All that does is tap you into the astral worlds and energy, it doesn't set you free. What happens once you start tapping into astral energies (meditation, yoga, breathing) depends on "who and what is waiting for you on the other side of the veil of energy." To achieve freedom you need to isolate yourself from astral influences by ascending beyond it - NOT WELCOME THEM IN.
metheuse Registered User (12/22/05 5:43 pm) Reply	Re: What's kriya done for you? Sounds like somebody forgot to take his meds.
Paramadas Registered User (12/23/05 10:50 am) Reply	kriya is safe, completely safe The one thing you can say about kriya yoga, at least as taught by Yogananda, is that it is safe, utterly completely safe. It may not work as well as SRF advertises, but at least it isn't harmful in any way. If you're having trouble with inner demons of some sort, then take methuser's advice and take your meds. Or see a therapist. It ain't the kriya, dude.
SayItIsntSo Registered User (12/27/05 2:00 pm) Reply ezSupporter	Re: kriya is safe, completely safe Kriya and the dark side? I've heard it all... I did Kriya for 30 years and I've never seen any dark forces. Maybe I wasn't doing it right... Spot the Looney Edited by: SayItIsntSo at: 12/27/05 2:01 pm
SatoriElixir Registered User (12/29/05 4:24 am) Reply	Re: kriya is safe, completely safe No, you were doing it right. That's why you didn't get any results. How many people do you know during your 30 years of Kriya practice who have gained siddha powers or attained samadhi. The best experience they get is seeing light, "high" blissful feelings, sensations in the spine, etc. These are all astral experiences which is still part of delusion. The physical and astral are 2 sides of the same coin. Unless one has overcome all addictions and attachments: sex, drugs, alchohol, food, relationship, family, success, power, fame, TV, sports, etc. in the physical and the astral one cannot experience the higher states of consciousness. For example, someone might say he/she isn't addicted to sex in physical life and therefore celibate. But if this person is having orgies in the astral world the addiction is still there. That's why it's crucial in spiritual development to be able to lucid dream or astral travel at will. Then you're conscious of what you're doing in the astral worlds and thus you can free yourself from both worlds. In the astral, there are dark and light worlds and the ability to navigate through those worlds is a must to grow spiritually. You can meet different masters and immortals who travel freely between these worlds and learn from direct experience from their knowledge. I've met PY many times in the astral world, which is near the earth sphere. He has an ashram and a "How to Live School" much like that in India guiding disciple-level students who are about to be reincarnated on earth. If you can astral travel at will, anyone can get there; it's easy to find. There's a huge double door that has his name "Paramahansa Yogananda" on it. So prove me wrong. If anyone else on this board can astral travel freely you can confirm that I'm right. Sri Yukteswar is still on Hiranyaloka and that area is restricted to those who have attained Nirbikalpa samadhi. So I couldn't access it.

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