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crogman1
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(6/1/03 4:06 am)
Reply 		Is Maya Mata and her organization what Yogananda intended?
Remember the talk in the AY where Master and his Guru are discussion the fact that Master didn’t want to be part of an organization? Some SRF members point to this as a justification for the existence of SRF.

I have sometimes thought of that interaction between Master and his guru. Master did intend to begin a little organization. However after he passed away Maya quickly swooped in and the org decided it needed to be the religion for the next age. It needed to begin a privileged class, its own monastic order, and it needed to spread the word that "all leaders will be God Realized". As SRF itself will say, where there is great good then great evil will go to counter it. Master was a great good and SRF (the great evil) has swarmed over his message to suffocate it if possible. The Bad Ladies are the willing tools of maya in Satan's effort to dismiss Master's message.

suttamonda
Registered User
(6/1/03 9:58 am)
Reply 		Re: Is Maya Mata and her organization what Yogananda intende
Who are the "Bad Ladies" that are talked about on this site? I'm relatively new here and having read some of the old posts I'm more than a little curious. Is the term being used to protect the posters and this site from SRF harrassment or just a short-hand for those matas in power that the rest of you all know more than you care to.

I realize I'm being a bit naive here but until I started reading the Walrus I had been calling the counselors at SRF for advice. Having read your posts, I wonder if I had been doing something foolish. One of the nuns who I have met in person was Mukti Mata who I thought gave me some good advice. Is she one of the "Bad Ladies"? Or is naming names forbidden on the Walrus? I know that once in awhile a few have been identified but never the entire group.

And what of the monks, especially some of those that preach on Sundays...would you advise I stay clear of them as well. The nature of my questions I had been consulting them were basically personal in nature and not about the organization. I've attended Satsangas where they read questions but I've found both the questions incredibly simple and the answers entirely unimaginative. But then, being that they're once a month I haven't been to many either though I've been to at least one in nearly every temple in the Southern California area.

S

crogman1
Registered User
(6/1/03 3:47 pm)
Reply 		Re: Is Maya Mata and her organization what Yogananda intende
The bad ladies are the group of nuns that run SRF including most all the Matas. Mukti Mata is not especially bad actually but as she is still there and supporting that environment. With what she certainly knows about the place she is therefore suspect or lacks spiritual courage at best. Senior nuns like Priya, Mridani, and the leadership in Public Affairs, Legal, OP, etc… are all included in the Bad Ladies. The president is of course in that group.

You ask about the monks but keep in mind that the place is completely and totally run by the Bad Ladies. The men are figure heads at best. Some feel that they have power but it is a joke. Even monks like Anandamoy have little authority overall. They are not positive influences and you won’t find many spiritual examples you would want to follow but they are not the big problem.

Concerning counseling keep in mind that after all counseling the monastics are to keep notes and put them into a file they keep on you at the head quarters. Therefore some people may find out things you might not want shared. They don’t want the membership to know about this of course. Discussing things like drugs or other problems will get your records flagged with the dreaded –codes- which can be used against you. If you realize how damaged most of these monastics truly are you should realize there is no reason you would ever really expect help from them with real problems.

member108
Registered User
(6/8/03 7:42 am)
Reply 		Re: Is Maya Mata and her organization what Yogananda intende
The list of who is a Bad Lady changes from time to time as they kill off each other and various power plays unfold. For example Sister Savitri (ex SRF Board member and secretary to the President) was previously in the group and some expected her to possibly be the next generation president. A group of the bad ladies smelled blood/weakness over a disagreement concerning the wrongful firing of the Encinitas retreat managers a few years ago and they booted her out. Savitri was trying to defend them and get their jobs back. She is now out of the ashram and seriously ill in the Encinitas area.

A large number of the nuns would like to be in the bad ladies but can't get in. Monks like Satyananda think they are in the group but are not. Even those living on the property could not give you a complete and current list of the women in power. It is a zoo in there.

stermejo
Registered User
(6/8/03 1:53 pm)
Reply 		Re:Sister Savitri
M108,

couldn't contact you via inbox. I'll have to go public:-)

If anyone knows how to get in touch with Sister Savitri: please contact me via INBOX. You don't have to give details. I can give you an e-mail contact from there.

After reading this post I spoke with an old friend who had some correspondence with Sr S and finally a meeting with her in 1996.

My friend is an old walrus, indeed, who does NOT .com She met sister when she was trying to understand WHY SRF did not want to assume the 800 acre property of Yogacharya Black in Northern Michigan. She was stunned to learn of Sister's leaving the order AND of the current situation at SRF.

I'm sure Sr S would love to hear from her.

Nope, I'm not an SRF plant. I MIGHT have become a mushroom though had I not met Yogacharya first:-)

soulcircle
Registered User
(6/8/03 2:05 pm)
Reply 		stermejo
Guests and All,

As well as praying for the former Sister's health, I believe we can get a message to her.

Dave <heypoet@aol.com>

member108
Registered User
(6/13/03 10:04 pm)
Reply 		Re: stermejo
Her health is tragic and we should pray for her. I wonder if she has ever expressed any sorrow for the things she did to others as a nun? She was right there spinning and twisting the truth with the best of them for a while.

redpurusha
Registered User
(7/1/03 5:38 am)
Reply 		Re: Is Maya Mata and her organization what Yogananda intende
It's amazing how (bias here) when Yogananda came to this country and lived here he brought such an innovative, revolutionary, pragmatic, dynamic, and universal approach to religion, up to the point of his departure. And to compare that to the religion being applied by SRF today and how they are handling his teachings -wisdom kept in vaults, complete rigid structure, the teachings actually becoming less and less influencial or known to the public, the absolete and behind the times use of technology (such as Master's voice on cassette rather than compact disc, think about this -CD's are now actually outdated -so SRF doesn't use even the outdated technology. This is an example of living the "aim and ideal" of combining the best of the west (technology) with the best of the east (science of God-union)?

And most importantly, the priceless Autobiography of a Yogi, not being translated into more than about 18 languages!!! Such is the case that fortunately English is and has been the most useful language worldwide, however, this is no excuse. In comparison, the fictional tale "Lord of the Rings," and even "Married With Children" the mindless show have each been translated into more than 50 languages.

This is a sharp and sad contrast.

(correction: I wrote DVD's instead of CD)

Edited by: redpurusha at: 7/2/03 4:29 am
Borg108
Registered User
(7/1/03 2:22 pm)
Reply 		Re: Amazin'
Even more amazing is that the YSS lessons in India are available in english only, which cuts off Guruji's teachings from over 80% of the indian population. Only upper class, well-educated indians are allowed access to the teachings. The YSS swami who translated them all into hindi some years ago is not a happy camper about this.

Amidala of Coruscant
Registered User
(7/1/03 6:15 pm)
Reply 		Re: Amazin'
Savitri? I knew her a little. She seemed so nice but when I tried to send her a nice letter and a drawing of Master, MC would not let me and I think I recall that lay members answered for me.

KS
Registered User
(7/1/03 7:29 pm)
Reply 		Re: Amazin'
Savitri thought she was going to be the next president. The other raptors (bad ladies) gained up on her a few years ago and forced her out. There is a story somewhere on this board about it.

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