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babaGEE Registered User (5/30/03 9:32 am) Reply	Did SRF change the Basic Kriya Can anyone tell me if SRF modified the first kriya that they teach? I read somewhere that this was true. Many people in my study group say that they feel stuck after years of practice and haven't felt any progress. If people are doing Kriya the wrong way this may be the reason. If so, was this change done because it was an easier way to teach it or because those in power wanted to conceal the techniques? If concealment was the motivation, that is just par for the course of most organized religions. I really don't know what the point is, especially for the more advanced kriyas. I'm not interested in sticking my tongue up my nose. Are they afraid people are going to cut their tongues to attempt this oral gymastic?
dawnrays Registered User (5/30/03 2:01 pm) Reply	Re: Did SRF change the Basic Kriya I have read that the original Kriya was much more involved and took longer and that PY modified it for the house-holder. I have never heard that srf has modified the techniques since His passing. From my experience, when I reach a "dry spell" it usually does not just go away with diligent practice. For me it's the meditation/right action connection. It's kind of like the mind/body connection with sickness and health. Sometimes if I change my strategy as in my outlook, making small or large changes in my life style, that really helps bring me back. I felt alot of frustration and emptiness with srf for a long time and then for a while I just couldn't meditate any more. I have been a Kriyaban for about 18 years. Meditation would give me insomnia and negative feelings and so on. This went on for 3 or 4 years until last year when for 6 months I just couldn't meditate at all. When I started exploring other options (not excluding my own mind and heart), I realized I had to leave (srf). I've been feeling a lot better and more interested in meditation. It has been better and lost it's staleness and sense of futility. It feels like an adventure again. Another thing is of course to get your rest. Everybody needs a good nights' sleep. Not that leaving srf is right for everybody in your group (everybody has thier own timing) but maybe some kind of life style or attitude change. dawnrays Edited by: dawnrays at: 5/30/03 7:09:10 pm
MastersChela Registered User (5/30/03 3:18 pm) Reply	Re: Did SRF change the Basic Kriya *Quote:* Many people in my study group say that they feel stuck after years of practice and haven't felt any progress. If people are doing Kriya the wrong way this may be the reason. I'm going to interject something here, and I don't want it to be taken the wrong way... Perhaps they are doing Kriya "the wrong way." The "right way", however, has absolutely nothing to do with the technique. The technique is simply a crutch, a focus for the mind. If we stay with the technique and only do Kriya on that level, we will always be doing it the wrong way. The only right way to do Kriya is to transcend the technique alltogether. We have to put our whole will into it, and all of our focus. When we have no willpower and focus left in ourselves, we have to pray to God and Guru to send us their will and their grace. Only by going deep into our devotion for God, only by releasing our mental obsession with whether or not we're "doing it right," only by looking for nothing but God's will for our lives... Then and only then are we doing our Kriyas "right." Yes, Master did change the technique when he came to America, but ALL Masters have that perogative. When you're speaking from the pespective of Spirit, you can see the inner technique, and can modify the outward methods as is needed to help your disciples. Master changed the technique, not to nulify it's effects, but to get things like Kechari Mudra (which you called "sticking my tounge up my nose") out of the way. The reaction you had to Kechari is probably similar to the reaction that MANY westerners would have. Master knew this, so he changed the outward form of the technique that it would not hinder his students from touching the true, inner technique. So, doing Kriya "right" is ALL about heart and will, never about a particular technique. Those things said, perhaps you still feel the need to learn something closer to Lahiri's "original" Kriya technique. There are teachers in India who can help you with this, especially the disciples of Paramhansa Hariharananda, and the direct descendents of Lahiri's sons. If your soul calls you to these teachers, MOST DEFINITLY FOLLOW THE CALL!!! Namaste Edited by: MastersChela at: 5/30/03 3:21:27 pm
chela2020 Registered User (6/1/03 4:03 am) Reply	Re: Did SRF change the Basic Kriya (This message was left blank) Edited by: chela2020 at: 6/25/03 11:40 pm
Ringbearer7 Registered User (6/1/03 7:24 pm) Reply	Re: Did SRF change the Basic Kriya I did some research on this in the past and came to the conclusion that SRF has remained faithful to the Kriya that Yoganandaji intended to be taught in the lessons. It is also clear that Paramhansaji did modify Kriya from what he was taught by Sri Yukteswarji. If you are interested in learning Kriya from an Indian teacher then you should be careful - just because a teacher's name is well-known doesn't imply that they are legitimate. Anyways, everybody is different. I have known a few people who have gone very far with Kriya from SRF. Very intense effort seems to be a common factor - but this sort of thing probably isn't practical or right for everyone.
chela2020 Registered User (6/2/03 3:31 am) Reply	Re: Did SRF change the Basic Kriya (This message was left blank) Edited by: chela2020 at: 6/25/03 11:41 pm
babaGEE Registered User (6/2/03 11:12 am) Reply	Re: Did SRF change the Basic Kriya Everyone's posts were very helpful. Thanks! Your point, Dawnrays, was very well taken. Kriya and meditation can bring us closer to the truth. If we suppress the truth, avoid it and don't make the necessary changes we can become stuck or inert. Everyone in my study group appears to be a bliss bunny, afraid that to express anything otherwise would be traitorial. The monk who advised us said we shouldn't discuss technique at all. (of course)
soulcircle Registered User (6/2/03 11:54 am) Reply	life, the express bus One can meditate for a lifetime for eighty years and get up and be a mean rascal to their family and friends. It's all about attitude. Attitude is key. Attitude has gotten millions where kriya hasn't. ~~~~~~~~ All of life is an express bus to God. ~~~~~~~~ What are we seeking. We are like fish seeking water, when we are water and we are swimming in it as you read this sentence. ~~~~~~~~ How many of us live in shame that we have so many faults, with all of our love going "out" to a "perfect" guru? ~~~~~~~~ We should aways be beginners. ~~~~~~~~Laughing So many are accomplished forgivers. overlooking faults of our close friends cause we love them, may we not love ourselves and take pleasure in loving ourselves faults and all. ~~~~~~~Crying with a friend and their broken life ********* And dance the dance of "child-attitude" Weaving the harmony of feeling, feeling, and wonder and mischief Into any lives and realms of thought and reason And dance the dance of the moment and commit random kindness to ourselves as well what is this moment as we live under the sun of kin and community, if not a hummingbird kissing a rainbow and the senseless act of beauty of resonating within friendships of nurturance having never heard of self glory and "teachniques" of mastery our heart seduces the adult mind, ever and ever we dance the dance of child-attitude the glee is what we be, you and me the tear on a child's face humbles most erudite philosophy never has a breeze of a friendship's nurturance been without the freedom the "friend-freedom" of love untainted the trueness of comfort deserved and given the home of music and languages unspoken the thought that is touched with wonder the magic that is me, the mirror of you is your kriya like mine ......backwards?? a y i r k......a yirk.....a yuck......a luck ... a life ... a fu.... or was my smile, my hand to hold, my shoulder a kiss, midst histories of ages past .... unenlightened shadows cast a kiss-reminder of the immortality of child-attitude delicate youth's scream of glee you and me in together's eternity delicate dave
soulcircle Registered User (6/2/03 12:04 pm) Reply	is it possible Is it possible? You tell us two posts above. *Quote:* The monk who advised us said we shouldn't discuss technique at all. (of course) Is it possible that because we have ever followed other than our inner and outer community of heart/emotion/love/mind/true friends'advice, that there are people in our lives....bliss sheep? ... nuns?...monks who tell us not to think/discuss??????? don't discuss.....don't think?.....don't breathe! do kriya...drill out the cavity ..............of our depravity, 24/7, our whole lives do kriya, do kriya, do kriya don't fell good about yourself, don't celebrate yorself [Walt Whitman] don't discuss, don't think, don't breath laughing laughing laughing well.....breath a little enough to baa. baa, baa, I am baaad, baa, baa, baa Hello I am Dave Hello I am srf aholic Hello I am a recovering bliss lamb
babaGEE Registered User (6/3/03 9:47 am) Reply	Re: is it possible U R so funny Soul Circle! Yes, the monastics at Mother Center certainly would like to control our every move - turn us into programmed Stepford devotees, who don't think, feel or speak for ourselves. Thank you everyone for all your insights and comments. It's been very helpful.
surfer269 Registered User (6/4/03 8:55 am) Reply	Re: Did SRF change the Basic Kriya chela2020 wrote: >"The only thing I learned about the kriya technique in regards to SRF changing it is, instead of only bringing the energy up to your 6th chakra, you bring it up to to the crown chakra. In other words, go up a notch. "< ** Yogiraj Lahiri Mahasay--- Duraradhyam = duh = being far away from Brahman + a = muladhar + aa = the upward bound Truth/true energy/being (Satwastha) rising via the sushumna after staying in the muladhar for a long time, ra = eye, up to the [eye], dhi = stabilizing the buddhi [attention/mind] there, a = coming again to the muladhar. Durashrayam = being far away from Brahman, there is no sanctuary/shelter (ashraya) without Brahman, and nothing is possible. Ashraya (sanctuary/shelter) means Kriya. A= at the muladhar + sha = jiva + ra = bringing it to the eye + a = again taking it to the muladhar. Dustaram = d = sound yoni + u = sound muladhar. Meaning � putting a little force at the muladhar + ta = again putting force at the muladhar + ra = eye. In meditation, after doing 1,728 pranayam the "muni" (sage) has spontaneously/naturally become "mouni" (silent). The sage-mind is said to be lord � meaning that the mind itself has become Brahman � meaning the post-kriya state. ........................... Lahiri Mahasay from Krishna Yajur Tejabindu Upanishad (1999 Yoga Niketan)yoganiketan.net/upanishad/kytbup.htm Swami Pranabananda Paramhansa (eminent disciple of Yogiraj Lahiri Mahasay) from Pranab Gita---- "To move prana in each of the chakras from Muladhara to Ajna as instructed by Gurudeva is the karmakanda of sadhana." ................Pranab GIta 3:1 www.yoganiketan.net/prana...abgita.htm (copyright Sri Ramemdra Muklhopadayay (sole trusteee Sri Janendranath Mukadyay Property Trust) and Yoga Niketan) Swamiji Sriyuktehswar Giriji Maharaj (emiment disciple of Yogiraj L:ahiri Mahasay and Guru of Param(a)hansa Yogananda -- "The Supreme Yogi Lord Shiva and other great beings have taught that, according to Sadguru's instructions, uniting the moon-like sattvic mind to the totality of rajoguna manifesting in the prana vayu [prana airs] and working this united form within the sushumna, traveling the six lotuses from the two-petaled[Ajna between the eyebrows] to the Muladhar, the furthest point from the Sun - the jiva-Consciousness revealed in the Sahasrara - and again traveling through the six lotuses from the Muladhar to the two-petaled lotus - the nearest point to the Sun revealed as Consciousness - one month's work [evolution] is accomplished. This means that within this short time all blood and flesh in the body is purified of material coagulation; thus, related addictions are also purified and the body begins to be prepared for the Holy Consciousness-substance. In this way, shooting the prana united with mind to the Muladhar and again drawing it from there is called one "kriya of pranayam" in yogic scriptures. By this, samskaras are removed from consciousness and happiness is maintained." ............Swami Sriyukteshvar Gita Commentary Ch 4 (2002 Yoga Niketan)www.yoganiketan.net/sriyukteshvargita/ "when one takes the fire filled with the sattvic guna up to a place between the eyebrows (it an be known from the mouth of Guru)[fn 2], the physical lightning (animal electricity)[fn 3] collects in stillness and becomes like a flame and instantly a dark circle appears in the middle of that lightning. That is called Sri Krishna or the third eye."........................Swami Sriyukteshvar from his Gita ch 1:1 Swami Pranabananda Paramhansa (eminent disciple of Yogiraj Sri Sri Lahiri Mahasay)--- "By performing pranayam and with the help of Brahma nadi, establishing oneself at the Ajna Chakra is the genuine accomplishment."............Swami Pranabananda from Pranab Gita ch7 www.yoganiketan.net/prana...abgita.htm " by the power of Yoga-Sadhana raising vital air between the two eyebrows; completely establishing the mind in Him who is omniscient, the ancient, the controller, smaller than the atom, maintainer of everything, inconceivable, beyond darkness, transcendental luminous like the sun, always thinking of that Divyam, he verily achieves the Supreme Lord. "..........................Swami Pranabananda from Pranab Gita Ch 8 www.yoganiketan.net/prana...abgita.htm Edited by: surfer269 at: 6/4/03 9:37 am
surfer269 Registered User (6/4/03 10:56 am) Reply	Re: Did SRF change the Basic Kriya "Yogis, in the particular language of their Kriyayoga sadhana say, "One has to do the sadhana of putting the mind in the sushumna and take it from place to place on the road of the six chakras up to the Ajna Chakra." ..................Swami Satyanandaji (Eminent and revered disciciple of Swami Sriyukteshvar Giri) www.yoganiketan.net/satyananda/index.htm
SwamiPrem Registered User (6/14/03 7:20 pm) Reply	Re: Did SRF change the Basic Kriya The first degree Kriya of Lahiri Mahasaya consisted of five techniques. Swami Da Prem

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