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KS Unregistered User (11/1/01 9:27 pm) Reply	Complainers -- disloyal? Another post on here says that we who add messages here are just complainers. That it might be a personal vendetta to embarass SRF by revealing what goes on inside. Are we being disloyal by posting our stories and thoughts here?
One Of The Boys Unregistered User (11/2/01 6:10 pm) Reply	Disloyal? Let me assure you, KS, that those of us who "complain" about SRF are certainly not disloyal. Our comments are based upon actual and very real experiences with those in power. Those who are now doing the berating of us are actually plants from Mother Center. They blow off about all sorts of things but they just don't know what they are talking about. They are akin to the religious fundamentalists who are so prevalent in the various societies and cultures today. Pay them no mind! I have seen many entries which you have posted and you have the right attitude. Continue your search for truth and work at withdrawing your consciousness from the Cult of SRF. Dwell on your relationship with God and don't allow those misfits to draw your attention away from Him. Just consider the source.
KS Unregistered User (11/2/01 9:56 pm) Reply	Complainers I didn't feel we were just complainers myself. Someone had suggested the topic and I wanted to open it up and clear the air. I can see how some might think we are just complainers and can't really blame them myself if they do. For me this has been a very healthy discussion that has settled me down and made me realize that I am not alone. Others of you have seen the same thing. I am not crazy after all!
Rigiditananda Unregistered User (11/11/01 2:23 am) Reply	loyalty I want to mention a few things about the loyalty issue. 1) Most sects, religions, churches and cults have manipulated their members with the "loyalty issue -- it is a historical disease. SRF is not an exception of course. 2)This form of manipulation is very effective and powerful, because behind the "you are disloyal" is the silent accusation "you are a traitor" -- who wants to be a traitor? you know. That is the most horrible label we can hang on someone -- churches use it! 3) This is why, among other reasons, it takes so long to get out of a cult. 4) What true loyalty means? It is a very difficult question to answer, because loyalty can take many strange forms. Like, fighting to help SRF to improve in a certain area -- management or the teachings -- can be a form of very high loyalty. The paradox is that this fight may need in fact comfrontation, and even public comfrontation if those running the organization are too stubborn. However, if our intention is to help and not to destroy SRF I personally think that we are expressing a high form of loyalty. We are even taking personal risks to create that change and to help the future SRF generations -- which can be many millions! 5) If Master was right, and there are millions to come, may be we need to do something for those millions. I personally think, and I have expressed it many times in this board that the root of all the SRF evils is in the SRF paradigm itself -- that the rest are details and symptomatology. Can we change the teachings? Of course we can! All is possible! 6) But some people does not believe this theory and still think that the teachings are quite harmless -- they are dreaming! Most cult teachings are dangerous. SRF is one of the most dangerous! It is just that you have not thought deep enough about the problem, or that a more pragmatic, less idealistic personality has protected you -- 'till now. 7) I and others have been criticizing the teachings, quite effectively I think at "Core issues / are the teachings safe?" I suggest you read there. Can we change the teachings? I pass the question to you. I have some ideas, but I want to see if we can device other ways. Can we modernize the teachings? Do you have any idea how to accomplish this? Millions in the future will be gratefull to you and me if we come up with a good idea. Please, let us brainstorm about this... The teachings need to be modernized, urgently! And, we are among the first in the planet to understand it. How can we do it, I ask myself? Can we use internet in someway to accomplish this goal? Do you have any idea?
chuckle Unregistered User (12/4/01 10:03 pm) Reply	more on loyalty I think you "ex-es" should hold your heads high. You're being loyal to truth and to your Selves. This is not always easy (far harder than being loyal merely to an organization). I admire all of you for your courage and your thoughtfulness. And this is coming from a 30 year devotee who lives in another country but has been active in meditation groups, at Convos, but who has seen problems from the outside and is so glad to see this website.
member108 Registered User (10/12/02 7:35 pm) Reply	Loyalty Hell yes I am disloyal. There are many institutions on this planet which are not worthy of loyalty. The little SRF cult is certainly one of them. Anyone who sincerely feels that Yogananda is their Guru should turn their backs on that brutish cult and work to keep any more sincere devotees from going through that meat grinder. I personally know dozens of people who have found Yogananda only to be turned from him once they see SRF. That is a crime. Hell yes I am disloyal to SRF.
wholetruth Registered User (10/13/02 10:54 am) Reply	Re: Loyalty Does anyone ever recall hearing an SRF lecture in which it was stated thay PY said treachery (disloyalty) was the absolute greatest spiritual offense? The time and place and the minister who said it escape my memory, but the statement made a lasting impression. Of course, in my opinion it is SRF itself, starring the Matas, that has been disloyal to Yogananda's teachings and spirit.
member108 Registered User (10/13/02 2:29 pm) Reply	Re: Loyalty Exactly. Disloyalty to evil is not wrong. Yogananda's words are again taken out of context to serve SRF's purpose. SRF is not an institution that deserves loyalty. Yogananda himself said he would not recognize SRF 50 years after his passing. Indeed he would not.
djali123 Registered User (10/13/02 5:47 pm) Reply	Re: Loyalty Where did he say this?
KS Registered User (10/14/02 6:52 am) Reply	Re: Loyalty I don't know where others have heard this statement. I have heard the same thing in SEVERAL talks at convocation, talks by the ministers at temples and from private conversations with both nuns and monks. I can't recall if I have seen it written down in something Master is to have said. We Walrus people should be somewhat doubtful of what SRF claims Master said, I know realize. It is interesting that SRF always uses the statement as a sign that they will grow a great deal. This growth has not happened and we Walrus readers will read something different into Master's statement. If he really said it.
member108 Registered User (10/16/02 6:16 am) Reply	Re: Loyalty I have heard it from several Monastics, including in lectures.
srflongago Registered User (10/17/02 6:35 am) Reply	Re: Loyalty? Historical comment: If I remember correctly the quote in the Ma Durga book says that Yogananda put as the three crosses he had to bear Dhirananda's desertion , Nerode's desertion, and the Temple of all Religions falling into the sea. So what he viewed as disloyalty was put on the same plane and in the same category as what many of us viewed as a natural event caused by erecting a temple on wet sand at the top edge of a cliff. The LA papers at the time, 1942, quoted Yogananda as saying that he had been informed in advance by God that this would happen, though he never made such a predictive claim before it fell. He made no such claims about the impending departure of Dhirananda in 1929 and Nerode in 1939. Edited by: srflongago at: 10/17/02 7:13:27 am
Notice the Noticer Registered User (6/24/03 9:06 am) Reply	Re: Loyalty? I just, again, saw the statement: "Yogananda himself said he would not recognize SRF 50 years after his passing." So last year was the 50th year. Isn't that when the big lawsuit came to a conclusion? It made me wonder whether, by "recognize," he meant "It will be SO different," which is how we usually interpret it. OR, could it be the alternate definition? "I will refuse to acknowledge them." btw, I was born exactly one week after he died. Maybe he got reincarnated as me as punishment for starting SRF and/or leaving who he did in charge.
Lobo Registered User (6/24/03 11:20 pm) Reply	Re: Loyalty? Hopefully he got more than a week's rest in disembodied Sat Chit Ananda. Not to pour water on your theory. In Mahayana Buddhism (Tibetan) the bodhisattva who has made the vow to put off full liberation, that is to come back time and time again, until all sentient beings are liberated, spends 40 days in the different after death Bardo states, until he/she returns in a new body. So maybe he got his 40 days, as he said, he will come back until all brothers and sisters were taken to the Further Shore, which is clearly a bodhisattva type vow. Ruth Montgomery the famous psychic, in one of her books, quotes another psychic, Ford (I think his name was), as saying that he'd seen Yogananda on a very, very, high plane in the astral heavens where he was then/now? teaching souls, much as he'd done during his lifetime on this planet/plane. I remember reading that with great excitement (it was over 30 years ago) as I don't put a whole lot of stock in psychics, and this gentleman was not a follower of Yogananda, so it rang true to me then. Just a thought!
etzchaim Registered User (6/25/03 5:09 am) Reply	Re: Loyalty? According to Shelley (my Guru's Guru), Yogananda had told him that he was going to reincarnate in the Astral - a particular planet having a huge number of souls on it in the Astral - because there he could work off more of the difficult karma he gained when he was 'conquering' England as William. I have to say, though, that I got a really good laugh with Notice' comment. In fact, I was still laughing about it last night, several hours after reading it. The next time I see my Guru, I'll ask about whether someone can get karma from something they've done that goes awry after they die. Intention has alot to do with the collection of karmic particles, so I'm assuming that Yogananda's intentions in starting SRF were good, and that therefore he gained more good karma than bad. In reincarnation, there is also the factor of attachment. The more attached (whether positively or negatively) to the world, the sooner a person will reincarnate. The more detached, and the more conscious the soul in question is, the more control they have and can take a much longer time to reincarnate. Etz. Edited by: etzchaim at: 6/25/03 8:11 am

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