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maggie mcclintock Registered User (1/31/06 11:26 am) Reply	Re: red herrings and green cabbage Paramadas, What an excellent post to cussacat. When I read Trilogy of Love, I was not impressed by the fact that Yogananda asked Durga Ma to ask Lynn for money. I sensed very deeply that this was not something that a guru should do. I have since learned that I was correct in my feelings. Yogananda did more than that, he asked his devotees for money when they didn't have any, and he didn't go through channels; he asked them directly. They left him and for good reason. So no wonder that Vishwananda does likewise. SRF doesn't have to change, as you very well pointed that out.
maggie mcclintock Registered User (1/31/06 11:31 am) Reply	Re: feeling conflicted and confused Moyma, Since you read the Hitler comments in a magazine that you own, could you please post them here for all to see? I just don't believe anything unless I can see it for myself. If they are on that web site that has all of his old magazines on them could you give me the website and the date of the magazine. I would appreciate it very much.
Paramadas Registered User (1/31/06 1:45 pm) Reply	the material on PY and Hitler (and much more) Maggie, there's alot of good info on PY and Hitler (and Stalin and Mulssolini) on the Walrus under: SRF Walrus > not in the Main Stream > early East-West Long passages are quoted verbatim from the original issues of the magazines.
cussacat Registered User (2/1/06 9:11 am) Reply	Re: Back to the fox Hey, gang: Mag and P'das, You're entirely right about the money thing and longevity, gullibility, etc. But, the point I was trying to make was that the "next generation" of self appointed "self realized" leaders, without the magic of the direct disciple spin, are going to be severily limited as to the telemarketing message, and will be much less attractive to the rich, now spellbound by the dangling carrot. Factor in the rapidly expanding information network, the decline in the now generation of the rich familiar with the original pitch, and the dilution of the real message to the world SRF is now presenting, and the implosion probabilities increase exponentially. The whole system is based on "fresh meat for the grinder". What's the next generation Vishwawhatshisname going to sell? Will his Indian understudy, Ishwarananda, be the next pitch man? Let's hear from some more insiders on this. In the meantime, have fun!
maggie mcclintock Registered User (2/2/06 10:27 am) Reply	Re: Back to the fox They will still see Yogananda.
Paramadas Registered User (2/2/06 11:47 am) Reply	Re: Back to the fox cussacat, Two thousand years after JC died, Catholic priests are still claiming a special relationship with him, and people believe them, so the chances that people will turn away from second generation SRF monks and nuns doesn't sound plausible.
maggie mcclintock Registered User (2/2/06 3:15 pm) Reply	Re: Back to the fox I was just going to say that.
SayItIsntSo Registered User (3/1/06 10:06 pm) Reply ezSupporter	Re: red herrings and green cabbage Oh, dear this is a few months old... (I think this post belongs under cults! But here goes). Frankly I’m surprised there aren’t more suicides by people who leave cults. It’s an isolating experience because you have no where to go. The last thing many can accept is another teaching, church or philosophy. Everyone becomes suspect. You can roam around for years in a state of denial. Some people might become atheists because they just don’t want to take a chance that they’ll get it wrong again. Admitting you were wrong is really, really hard. Especially if you’ve defended your cult for years, lost friends, jobs, family members over it, created strife for your children who were marginalized for being “different,” and the list goes on. Being in my cult made me self-righteous. Part of being in a cult is watching out for the kooks in Christianity to justify your cult teachings, even though you have a lot of your own kooks in SRF. You also memorize all the gruesome suffering that’s come in the name of Jesus Christ just so you can “prove” your belief. Christians call it apologetics, cults call it TRUTH. The minute someone says cult people in them tend to shut down, turn off, walk out and disassociate with the conversation. You might stop reading right HERE. That’s because the word CULT immediately brings to mind Charlie Manson and Jones Town, and, well, you’re certainly are not part of something so evil. That’s front page news evil. My way of thinking is that kind of evil isn’t so insidious. It takes out a few people and it’s over. Savvy cults aren’t run by psychotics; they’re run by everyday folks. Nice folks, even. Good looking people with pleasant homes and nice cars. They live next door. They take care of your cat when you’re on vacation and bring you casseroles when you’re sick. They’re your friend, your brother, your mother. They could be just about anyone, and that’s really daunting. A cult is any group that holds you mentally and spiritually hostage. The first sign you’re in a cult is when you’re told quite often you’re not part of a cult. I heard it for years. People in cults are told as part of their training that they’re not in a cult, and they usually have a darn good argument to prove their point. Oh, sure, there are some flimsy arguments, but for the most part, cults work hard to debunk the theory that they are a cult or a sect. You come to believe their reasons and whole hardily. You even believe it when you leave the cult, defending them to the bitter end that you were not in a cult. One doesn’t just walk away from a belief system. When you’re taught something, study, mediate, focus on something for years, it takes root. You might pull the weeds by no longer attending, but the roots are still down in the dirt and it doesn’t take much water to sprout doubts. They all say that they don’t keep their members there by force. Members are chosen, special and come of their own free will. They’ll say they don’t ascribe to mind control or brainwashing, but have techniques of mental control, and there’s, well, a difference. The teachings are always secret and never Biblical. Secrecy is necessary to keep them “pure,” and only those who are unique can receive them. You’re told right away that you’re better than everyone else, superior to all other doctrines, especially Christians, who you come to regard pitifully as low thinking. That’s not to say cults don't teach from the Bible even though their message isn’t Biblical. They often do this to “lure” in the wary and give a good argument when you point out they follow a Guru or Founder. This is when they talk about Jesus, how they love an honor him, maybe have a whole day of meditation on him, and how we’re all able to be a Jesus, and he was really just a Guru, an evolved man with a good story. SRF (all cults) exclaim that they are “higher thinking” for the “new age.” They might call it the “golden age.” They might call it just about anything spectacular to make you believe you are super special. With this “higher thinking,” you’re told how evolved you are, sometimes you’re told that everyone else just came up off all fours but you, my friend, have lived many lives and your reward is just around the corner. It’s trendy, too! You’re part of the in-crowd. You might see your cult on the cover of movie magazines. Red strings, maharishi’s, OM signs or Tom Cruise! Cults love to name drop. Secretly of course because they are supposed to be better than the National Enquirer, but members of cults know who’s in and whose out and there is always a Hollywood A List. My cult had a Beatle and several television stars. I could go on...but you get the picture. SRF is a cult. Spot the Looney Edited by: SayItIsntSo at: 3/2/06 12:57 pm
Paramadas Registered User (3/2/06 2:19 pm) Reply	all religions are cults--so what? Sort of by definition, all religions are cults. They discuss things that are hidden, like God and Love. They intend to make you feel special, like God loves you (despite all the evidence to the contrary). They all have rituals that are only comprehensible to the initiated--Christianity has the mystery of the Eucharist, SRF has kriya, Hinduism has its pujas, etc. etc. Initates are always told they're better than other people--one of the funniest moments of my life was witnessing an evangelical bible-thumber tell a crowd of Catholics they were all going to hell because they hadn't accepted Jesus as their personal savior. Needless to say, the Catholics ran him out of town. Now THAT's comedy. They're not going to put up with that sort of insult--they have a Pope, and the authority of Saint Peter, and cooler cathedrals than you'll ever build. I've heard evangelicals say that ONLY their particular denomination would go to heaven. Gimme a freaking break. And what do Muslims have? They have the next dispensation, from Mohammed. Not to be outdone, Yogananda says he's the next dispensation. So, is it all insidious? or is it just part of belonging to a Church? Are you going to reject all religons and become an athiest because all religions engage in some or most of the practices of cults? If cultish behavior is necessary for a religion, then maybe "cult" isn't necessarily a bad thing. Sure, Manson and Jonestown were bad, OK, but I think we need some definition of "cult" that distinguishes between patently evil organizations and religions in general.
metheuse Registered User (3/2/06 10:13 pm) Reply	"keep sweet" -- a cult's motto "Keep Sweet"--- a Mormon phrase which basically means, "Stay on the sunny side, keep smiling, don't rock the boat, and never criticize the Church elders." Jesus, if this don't sound like SRF. Might as well be every cult's motto.
SayItIsntSo Registered User (3/3/06 8:41 am) Reply ezSupporter	Re: "keep sweet" -- a cult's motto Paramdas, good points. Right now I am studying Christian spirituality and staying away from all religions. It took me a damn long time to even do that much-- SRF turned me away from God--ultimately. The feeling of betrayal was immense. That aside, I came to understand that I have to forgive them, and for the most part have moved on. That doesn't mean I don't have opinions that from time to time I am moved to share. Every once in awhile I check in here and see how everyone is doing. I believe sites like the Walrus give people the opportunity to see two sides of SRF and I hope the site continues. Whomever it is, he/she they have my favor. I run an ezboard site and it does take work, and money. It's not free. Spot the Looney
Paramadas Registered User (3/4/06 8:55 pm) Reply	Disappearance of the Universe--as if Say, Right now I'm reading "The Disappearance of the Universe" which is based on the "Course in Miracles". Christian, mostly, but definitely off the beaten track---they insist God didn't make the universe. Yeesh. Still, there's alot of good stuff in it. Sorry to hear your experience with SRF was so negative. My condolences. Glad that you keep checking back in with the Walrus. PDas

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