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nagchampa2 Registered User (11/27/03 3:56 pm) Reply	Re: so disappointed and many doubts one taste, it seems to me that that story may mean that one man was afraid to stand up for ramakrishna and so didn't when he should have, and the other one was always able to stand up for others, so there was nothing for him to learn. somethig like that. when i read that story, it reminded me of how i had a hard time in my life in standing up for others when i heard negative things about them, and so i began doing my best to learn to do so, but it wasn't easy and sometimes still isn't. Edited by: nagchampa2 at: 12/4/03 7:26 pm
SerenityNow7 Registered User (11/28/03 11:41 am) Reply	Re: so disappointed and many doubts Hello again all! Hope this afternoon finds you well. Here we go... Hi OneTaste, an acquired taste? Thanks for your explanation and I can see what you mean. Balance. I am not ready to be completely disenchanted with SRF as there is value there, but at the same time neither can I blindly accept all that it is either now. Time to keep the eyes open. This has been a hard week for me in that respect as I also experienced another major disillusionment regarding something non-religious. While long term I know these disillusionments save me pain down the line, it's hard. I can only imagine how hard it must be for someone involved for years or a monastic to discover negatives about SRF. About my expectation that those promoting and practicing Yogananda's teachings be better than the average guy on the street. Hell yes! They better be. What's the point in following a spiritual path if it isn't uplifting, if it doesn't make us better? With the ultimate goal being we don't get reborn, then the point of the practices is to purify the soul so to speak. I met a guru a few years ago who claimed to be enlightened, and I believe she was. Her presence filled the space she was in, my mind felt on the edge of a space it had never been before simply being in the same room with her! If she had seemed just like my neighbor next door I would have been less likely to believe she was enlightened or worth my listening seriously too. "part of our charm and all to our harm" I like that! Never heard that before. About fitting in, I have on rare occasions found kindred souls and felt I "fit in"....I think when I feel great dissonance with those around me it's worth paying attention to. What I find disturbing about some (not all) devotees is their blind unquestioning attitude....this is actually not the usual reason that alienates me from others. The usual reason for me is harshness and lack of empathy. Sorry to hear you and so many are in the confused and sad state of mind too. At least it's not lonely in here... Black and white thinking. Yeah, it's clear that many here have been deeply disillusioned and hurt by their association with SRF. I would feel that way as well if I were an ex-monastic or deeply involved and found out things that invalidated my loyalty. I do recognize and difference between fact and opinion and venting. BUT that said, where there's smoke there's fire. An entire very active message board has sprung up all about SRF problems. How could there even be enough people to participate if there weren't real serious issues? My conclusions are still rather open. Still, I've read things here that have supported some personal conclusions I've already been developing based on my own experience. Too many details to write...maybe in time. But yes, I'm sure there can be irrationality and axes to grind here too. Monastics....I'm sure they come in many different varieties and types. What motivates a person to the monastic life style probably varies a lot from person to person...I make no conclusions there. The main conclusion I do make is that SRF as an organization has a problem within its culture and power structure just as can happen in any business. They need an organizational health expert to come straighten them out. Like that'll happen
soulcircle Registered User (11/28/03 12:36 pm) Reply	first in the broadest of experiences involving one might say the whole human race first.... first in the sixties (sometime near the sixties) a book was written with the conclusion that the folks not attending places of worship can be compared to the folks attending worship sites with the conclusion that those not attending any worship site are more compassionate as a group it is also found that within a church there is a sub-group that bucks this trend and is compassionate the years, 24 here at the chapel of Richmond, including 17 convocations, observing the folks at the chapel at Richmond have shown the writer of this post that the SRFers are no better than the "average guy on the street." more importantly, there is more compassion, in this writer's experience in the folks not attending SRF and any church than those here at the chapel. SerenityNow7, you are getting this response from me before I have read your whole post. SerneityNow7, it is as you say VERY IMPORTANT AND ASSUMED that SRFers would be more compassionate and closer to their individual oneness with light, unconditional love, and the gentle sunshine of a cosmic consciousness and understanding of everything from common sense to modeling for others via action the path of divine love SerenityNow7 you say it so well Does anyone think that SRFers are better than the "average guy on the street?"
xmonk Registered User (11/29/03 7:14 am) Reply	Re: so disappointed and many doubts Dear Serenity, Let me assure you that you are correct in being inquisitive of SRF. First of all, if you dig deep enough you will see the inconsistancies of the whole organization. It took me many years in the ashram and much pain, to finally conclude that I was involved in a very clever cult. SRF is just another religion, formed over the same die as every other religion. They hold their "multitudes" by the age old methods of fear and guilt. I recommend that, while you are still unattached and able to think for yourself (which is an attribute that is rare and discouraged by SRF), consider approaching God on a personal level and forget some go-between organization that tells you that you are unworthy of such a thing.....that you need an intermediary to "get you to God." God is YOUR father and is filled with unquestioning love for you. Speak to Him where and when you so desire. His love for you is undeniable and He will be most happy for you to communicate, one-on-one with Him whenever you feel the need. I wish you well on your journey to freedom.
SerenityNow7 Registered User (11/29/03 12:39 pm) Reply	Re: so disappointed and many doubts Nagchampa, about that monk. Well, I knew a bit about Tibetan Buddhism having gone to a few different centers in cities I'd lived in over the years. Kind of flirting with the idea, but not getting too serious. I went to an introductory talk being given by a monk on Tibetan Buddhism (very different from other varieties) and he was presenting what I call the "Dalai Lama" version. No mention of how strongly the deities figure in the practice or all that prostrating on the floor. I asked the question of where the deities fit in and he kind of brushed it off as if it weren't a big deal, I then said that I had actually been to the center and almost everything involved the deities and I wanted to understand how they fit in. He said he'd answer later....and he still skimmed the question. People from the center who were friendly to me before the talk started studiously ignored me after it was over. I'm not saying there's anything wrong per se with the deities, but people should know what it really is you know? It bothered me that in an intro. talk he was avoiding talking about the main aspect of the religion! Nice to hear you are a fellow nonconformist! And thanks for telling me about yogananda-dif I'll shall check it out. I'm curious to see what was changed. My point about Christ was just that small changes and power struggles in the followers multiplied by centuries have gotta be significant. About the third eye, I shall try experiment with what you suggested. I do find my state does shift depending on if I'm looking up, so definitely something there. Also I find with Hong-Sau my feet get hot and it feels like energy is running up from my feet! Does this happen to others? About your political involvement and questioning, I'm sure your being a nice person is part of why you did it! That must have been greatly frustrating. I too felt the push back (very subtle) when I questioned just simple stuff about focusing. I'm greatly debating whether I'm going to go tomorrow to the service or not. About them not answering question because they only go from what they read...that makes sense. Also, I get the feeling that they want me to learn from my own experience like I might get biased or seek the wrong experience if I have a fixed idea what should happen? About the Ramakrishna story, odd...my strength is in standing up for others, I'll fight like a tiger if I see someone being treated unjustly. Much harder to do the same for myself for some reason. But yeah, different advice for different people makes sense. Soulcircle, charityfocus sounds like a really great concept. I also get the message from your post that I can still meet worthwhile people who I can connect with at the center, so maybe don't give up? I think your being the bridge between people is a wonderful thing so many connections to be made we don't even know are out there! About that book, saying the religious people were less compassionate that the "guy on the street" well that's discouraging. Still the compassionate subgroup is a hopeful thought. But what about the studies that show religious people tend to be healthier and suffer less depression? XMonk, thanks for your encouragement does your name mean you are an ex-monastic? Did you live at the center day in day out? I can't imagine how tough it must've been to be disillusioned to that. Have you held on to your relationship with Yogananda despite leaving? (if it's ok to ask) thanks everybody....I sure type a lot!
OneTaste Registered User (11/29/03 1:03 pm) Reply	Re: so disappointed and many doubts xmonk, since you were in the ashram for many years, maybe you can help SN7 and many of the rest of out here who have not had the inside experience and tell us what it is specifically that makes SRF the wretched place it is assumed to be. We so often hear variations of "oh, if you only knew what goes on" and "oh, the things I could tell you" but no one ever seems to get past the generalities. What specifically about ashram life makes it so horrible? What happens in a regular day that is so nasty? *Quote:* God is YOUR father and is filled with unquestioning love for you. Speak to Him where and when you so desire. His love for you is undeniable and He will be most happy for you to communicate, one-on-one with Him whenever you feel the need. If you had written the above and said it was a direct quote from PY, there isn't a person on this board who would question it. Nothing you advocate in any way deviates from what the guru himself said over and over. What in your experience brings you to the conclusion that SRF advocates something different?
soulcircle Registered User (11/29/03 7:23 pm) Reply	just kidding SerenityNow7, Good question Maybe they were written by catholics or baptists........lol
nagchampa2 Registered User (11/29/03 7:24 pm) Reply	Re: so disappointed and many doubts Serenity: you wrote: "About my expectation that those promoting and practicing Yogananda's teachings be better than the average guy on the street. Hell yes! They better be. What's the point in following a spiritual path if it isn't uplifting, if it doesn't make us better? With the ultimate goal being we don't get reborn, then the point of the practices is to purify the soul so to speak." you took those words right out of my mouth. some don't seem to feel that it is necessary for an organization to be better than the average person on the street, nor do they feel that the guru should even be holy. and that is okay for them. i can understand your feelings towards those who just follow blindly without questioning. i used to be that way when i was younger, and i was burned. it took me awhile before i queston srf. i just had this dumb idea that people who meditated were way up there. so again i was fooled. i learned that you can meditate forever and not really purify your soul. it takes a lot of work, you have to want to become pure, and in doing so you have to learn to be honest, etc. part of meditating brings on occult powers, and so how easy it would be to cling to them and forget about God and then use them unwisely, even to attract followers. so a person really has to work on himself in order to obtain his goal. and most of all, he needs to desire God above all else. even gurus who have had the goal of reaching God, when obtaining powers, have fallen, the temptation was too great. so it isn't easy for them. still, i would want a guru who was above all these temptations or else he would not be a guru in my eyes. Edited by: nagchampa2 at: 12/4/03 7:12 pm
Punk Yogi Registered User (11/29/03 8:48 pm) Reply	2001's The Missing Lesson: Building a Healthy Ego Here we are sitting on the sideline: Its material ego battling against spiritual ego today to the death here on the lawns of Mt. Washington.... KILL -- THE -- EE-GO!!! ...kill the ego.. kill Kill Kill....murder it, rape it, pillage it, destroy, and mutilate it..obliterate and banish it, ...go team go!!! SRF!! SRF!!! rah rah rah!!!!! Man, I'm sick of "killing" my ego. 'Cause each time I try, I seem to kill everything else with it. Like those unfortunate Red Cross workers who had fallen into friendly fire on the front lines of Afghanistan. If our lovely Matas would cease trying to mold us into a bunch of good little munchkin- devotees, we might have an honest chance to grow up and become dynamic human beings. Anyways, I for one am never going to "kill" my ego because I'm not a psycopath who needs to murder for pleasure. I will dissolve my ego, yes, That is, I will one day have the realization that my ego is nothing more than the sensualized soul and the idea that I was anything but the soul will be gone...abracadabra!!! But never, never will I kill. The ego to me is like an ice bridge. You're standing at the lip of a chasm. You look across. No way to make it. You need an ice bridge. So you build one and across you go. Easy. Once the job is done, you let the bridge melt. It's no longer necessary. You've reached your destination. Life is like that. We all need healthy egos to survive this tough world. The ego is not always your enemy. Sometimes it's exactly what you need to make it swimming among the sharks. Sadly a lifetime association with SRF will strip you of that faculty.... unless you're lucky enough to be a five-star VIP monastic. And if you are, you can develop that wonderful quality called narcissism! That's right! You heard me. Those who think N____ is a bad word ought to know that our guru recognized the need for building up a healthy ego before breaking it down. In fact, acccording to the psychology experts, the most successful people have a healthy amount of the N-factor to help them get ahead. Sounds radical? Here's the good and the bad defined: Unhealthy narcissism = the appearance of a weak, vulnerable self attempting to maintain self-cohesion and bolster self-esteem. Healthy narcissism = the appearance of a strong, vital, cohesive self striving with ambition and ideals toward the full realization of a person's skills and talents.� Only a few of us really want to spend the rest of our lives sweeping the streets -- even if it is for God! Most of us have loftier dreams. Daya Mata is such a good example. Some of us dream of changing how society thinks. Why only dream when you can make an impact on the world as Tara and Mrinilini Mata changed forever how SRF devotees think about their guru? And don't some of us want to romp around the world, stay in fancy hotels, and drink from the cup of popularity and fame? Ramananda and Mitrananda will show you how. And if politics tickles your fancy, call on the great god, Vishwananda, for support. There's a mathematical reason why these folks walk ten feet tall and shine with a successful aura. Wouldn't you be different if you were lucky enough to be one of Master's super-elite utra-special chosen ones? Well now.....where does that leave the rest of us? How did I ever get by in the world these past twenty years? I recall very early on that I tried to kill my ego. I got out that big elephant gun called self-denial and aimed it at the poor shrively thing. I pulled the trigger and KERPLAM!!!!!!!!!! Down went the ego? Nope. I missed... I certainly hit something, but it wasn't the ego. Shrewd little @#%$! What went down was me. My desires. My fighting spirit. My own self-knowledge of my mind and heart. Boy did that demotion do wonders for my self-esteem! I spent the next twenty years suffering as a sort-of conscious Forrest Gump. I stopped learning how to trust myself, stopped being creative, stopped being authentic....the worst was I stopped being confident. Try getting ahead with those credentials! Perhaps it was for this reason that so many devotees were convinced the only logical thing to do was work for SRF. As if they really believed their finest moment was to bask in the afterglow of monastic sanctity. How did we ever get sucked into this? Now I'm back with a vengeance. There is fire in my eyes and I am the demonic dragon perched above the lair who will eat Matas for breakfast. So beware! Though SRF turned me into a eunich. Miraculoulsy I find my pulse once again...to be specific: I get my balls back (ahem!). The rules of the game have changed, my friends. Being a "good devotee" is passe. You no longer have to stay on your side of the chasm and watch your ochre-caped superheros swallow life in gulps, leaping and frolicking from narcissism to the sublime. No, this day is yours. And if you happen to be one of the truly enlightened monastics, throw down your batman capes and be a real human being. You are the heroes. Embrace your egos. Carry it into the wild world like a Smith and Wesson. Or build your own ice bridges. And one day, if you're lucky, God will give you wings. Then bridges become unnecessary and you fly over chasms instead.
soulcircle Registered User (11/29/03 10:50 pm) Reply	we need more lions the world has enough sheep
xmonk Registered User (11/30/03 1:03 pm) Reply	Re: so disappointed and many doubts What are things that are bad within the "walls" of SRF? You are asking for information that would fill a book, but I will give a few examples of why I, and many others, could no longer continue in the monastic life and remain true to ourselves in the process. The problem does not lie at the feet of most monastics. Most entered the ashram because they felt that life to be their path to God. Once there, their life becomes quite different from that which they had experienced up to that time. First comes the Postulancy. I can compare that very easily to boot camp in the service. The new monastic is severely broken from his earlier existence and this is where the brainwashing begins. After many years of this, he thinks, eats and breathes the party line. This is where he quits thinking for himself and blindly obeys any order given by his superior(s). He comes in contact with politics which take no second place to Washington, D.C. This is where lying and spying on each other begins. It doesn't ever stop. After a few years in the Postulancy, he may become eligible to become a Brahmachari. As a Brahmachari, he quickly finds out which side his bread is buttered on. He continues on this path because he has learned not to question. This goes on throughout his monastic life, even into Sanyassi. There are those in complete control. These are the ladies at Mt Washington. They rule with a very heavy hand. Virtually all that you read in the literature originates with them and perpetuates their stranglehold on the ashrams. Like all religions, money is the bottom line.Wealthy people are "stroked" and treated like royalty, so that they will contribute to SRF.Many have willed their earthly fortunes to SRF, much to the chagrin of their heirs. Many court battles are fought over this. One, in particular, is taking place in Atlanta right now. Daya Mata received the home she and her sister are living in from Doris Duke, who was amply stroked by Daya. Payoffs are rampant to those who would sue the organization for discrimination, etc. By the time one finally sees through the facade, many realize that they have made a terrible mistake in their life, they have been there for many years and have no place to go and no money, nor meaningful job opportunities to fall back on, and cannot afford to leave.Many do, however, and that is the only way that others can learn about the "inside." It is awesome to find out that there is more love and compassion on the outside than in the ashram. There is far more truth spoken outside, and one is not told to spy on others. There is much, much more but this will have to suffice. Believe it or not, that is the inside of SRF.
SerenityNow7 Registered User (11/30/03 2:05 pm) Reply	Re: so disappointed and many doubts Oh Xmonk, how terrible! I just cannot imagine...ok well maybe I can now with your description. Makes me think of a spider web somehow, the farther in one goes the harder to get out and get stuck in more ways. And the spying! It's just absolute madness. I'm so glad for you that got free from it all. It is so sad to me that SRF center is like this when Yogananda's teachings themselves seem so much the opposite. Wish I had more time to write full responses, but I shall be brief... Nagchampa, yep, I agree. I can see where powers would be a real problem. There's a book called One God Clapping detailing the spiritual journey of a rabbi. At one point he was in a yogic type cult, and the leader had real telepathy but was quite corrupt. He said that's when he learned spiritual power didn't necessarily equal spiritual goodness. Really stuck with me. Punk Yogi, what can I say, your post inspires me to go out there and kick some ass! I'm about to go grocery shopping and no one better get in my way!
nagchampa2 Registered User (11/30/03 3:13 pm) Reply	Re: 2001's The Missing Lesson: Building a Healthy Ego punk yogi, you can never kill the ego, even a guru has an ego. all you can do it direct it towords devotion to God.
nagchampa2 Registered User (11/30/03 3:32 pm) Reply	GOODBYE YOGANANDA The Gold Pendant I proudly wore your gold pendant with its lotus blossom and your image finely embrossed for you were my guru who kept me from being lost. but they spoke of you as a wolf in sheep's clothing back in the days of dine and roses, ceremonial bubble baths, and parlor game tricks. this hurt me very deeply and so i chose not to believe but stood up for you boldly not realizing I was deceived. i learned how dhirananda came not to just edit your works but wrote many of your lectures, and some of your books. and then grew disenchanted, sued and won, then left. and how you chose not to pay until you found yourself on ellis island and couldn't re-enter the States. and then one day i found someone who knew you well that would finally talk-- someone i knew i could trust with all my heart. so i took your gold pendant to the encinitas gardens; stood on the cliff, said a prayer, and tossed it in the Ocean that we are all a part. Edited by: nagchampa2 at: 11/30/03 8:24 pm
ranger20 Registered User (11/30/03 5:18 pm) Reply	Re: so disappointed and many doubts *Quote:* About my expectation that those promoting and practicing Yogananda's teachings be better than the average guy on the street. Hell yes! They better be. What's the point in following a spiritual path if it isn't uplifting, if it doesn't make us better? With the ultimate goal being we don't get reborn, then the point of the practices is to purify the soul so to speak Somehow I think "ultimate goal being we don't get reborn" is part of the problem. It's like those for whom the ultimate goal of Christianity is not going to hell. It's fear based, and one can't help but sometimes skip the spirit of the law for the letter. Plus, in the SRF popular mythology, people who can do the equivalent of living as hermits in their meditation caves don't have to mess with the messiness of getting along with others. If I think I can transcend everything by doing enough kriyas, then there's a whole lot of ambiguity I can just "transcend." Jungians point to the story of Icarus. At the ultimate peak of realization then maybe I can transcend my neuroses and broken relationships and all I'd like to forget, but while climbing up the mountain, it just doesn't work, and I think is likely to make me mean spirited if I persist.
username Registered User (11/30/03 7:01 pm) Reply	Re: so disappointed and many doubts I think ranger20 hit the nail on the head. SRF tells us to avoid others, practice silence, meditate etc AND this advice worsens any and all relationships of people living in "the world". It. also, makes us seem real wierd to other people. This creates MORE problems for the "devotee"
X Insider Registered User (11/30/03 8:17 pm) Reply	Re: so disappointed and many doubts Nagchampa, Could you possibly put into prose the part of your poem about Dhirananda, Ellis Island, "sued and won." I would like to understand what actually went down with Yogananda and Dhirananda and all that stuff. Thank you! As for Serenity ... yes you do seem healthy and able to think for yourself at the same time you are reading the lessons...however, if I had one piece of advice for you regarding SRF it would be RUN!!! Find meditation techniques that come free of any kind of involvment in an organization. Retain the sense God gave ya.
SerenityNow7 Registered User (11/30/03 8:43 pm) Reply	Re: so disappointed and many doubts Sigh I'm trying to retain my common sense...very unhappy. My life is so stressful right now and I felt so happy to find SRF because of needing support so much and to be around people of higher(?) caliber. I was interested for the social benefit as well as the teachings themselves. I am entering a time of great trial, and it seems like each time I reach to something stable to cling to, it disintegrates in my hands. Am I back to square one? Nagchampa, in your poem you seem to be saying that Yogananda was not genuine? Like XInsider I would like to know more of this. Such a sad image, you at the cliff throwing your pendant into the sea.
soulcircle Registered User (11/30/03 9:36 pm) Reply	you can learn a whole lot by reading the intro The book is The Master Is Within by Sri Nerode In the introduction you can start grasping the situation. Sri Nerode was with Aurobindo and Gandhi before coming to this country in 1919. In the intro it mentions his years following Dhirananda as being in charge of 3880 San Rafael. of many things of reasons he left without even discussion of Yogananda's moral failings. he lived til 1983 and wrote numerous books. A former Walrus poster has 3,000 typed manuscript pages of Sri Nerode, and that full story may come out Sri Nerode's wife, lived and taught Yoga til this year Ananda has a tape (video) of Yogananda marrying Sri Nerode and his wife seven decades ago. I have had a copy in my hands and just now a friend is viewing it first. A friend of mine met with Sri Nerode's wife this year before she passed. Her passing was mentioned on this board. Sri Nerode's book and at least one of his numerous others are published by Amrita and available from there. As I understand it, basically Dhirananda having left in the second half of the 20's give or take......was unknown to students in this current day until Priscilla (is it Walker) brought him to people's attention. My friend went with Priscilla to Michigan years ago and met with Dhirananda's wife, Dhira had passed on after a noteworthy (if not simply stellar) career in Ann Arbor. Priscilla and Kamala used to talk extensively on the phone. One time Priscilla asked Kamala a question that arose from the reading of the AY. Kamala went and got her AY and had Priscilla read the part in question aloud over the phone. When Priscilla read to Kamala, Kamala said PY did not write that and read the original. That began the education of Priscilla. She has two books of Dhirananda's available for purchase. Priscilla's husband was a banker and that in combo with Priscilla's love and spirit developed the Dallas SRF center. Later Priscilla (wiser and not unlike Walri) pulled away. In Kamala's book, Kamala says that she Kamala, pulled away from public events due to inner direction from PY. In 1949 she had begun the Bay Area group that became Richmond SRF. When by the end of the 70's Kamala was basically out of the public eye, she did so when she was fed up with SRF telling her what to say. That was after her deep, profound (PY had keys to her moms' home in Santa Barbara and meditated for hours in samadhi at Kamala's moms Colorado Springs area substantial cabin......her deep profound years with PY begininning in 1925! When she passed in 1997, we were with her the Sat or Sun before. Two sweetest persons spent over the last year with her at her lunches and for hours every day. Prior to the two of them Ananda peopl welcomed her near and in Ananda. Kriyananda welcomed her into the guest house adjacent to him for some years. A sweet friend was with her the day before she passed. In her books you read her correspondence with PY in those years. It took her 25 years and then in the face of opposition from visiting SRF nuns, Richmond chapel was purchased. Monks from SRF also came up to Richmond demanding the building purchase fund that Bay Area devotees had been raising from 1959 to 1974. The monks were refused and the chapel in Richmond has been here since 1974. I have a copy of The Science of Religion with Dhirananda's name under PY's. Inside it mentions Dhirananda's M.A. It is on the cover of the cloth-bound printing that both names appear. I am under the assumption that Dhira gave it to PY to bolster his arrival in Boston and that Dhira wrote it! Any of you that call I will read the intro of The Master Is Within, with a bit of biography of Sri Nerode's, his family roots, his time with Aurobindo, and decades of teaching Yoga. Isn't it interesting that Sri Nerode came over in 1919? heypoet@aol.com soulcircle ... Dave Edited by: soulcircle at: 11/30/03 9:44 pm
soulcircle Registered User (11/30/03 10:05 pm) Reply	thank you XMonk Your post is deeply appreciated. The book has yet to be written yet i have read every post in here and there is a book in here i personally know of HV kicking a person out and pretending that he had a job waiting. Not....say hello to the street It was for having a good time off-site on his b-day. The last I heard of Sister (Nimrata is it) she was/is homeless in the streets of San Fran. I am near San Fran can anyone help two of us find her? XMonk I am delighted SRF Walrus added your post to specific stories. Thank You on the behalf of all of us

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