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KS Registered User (1/12/02 6:51 am) Reply	Walrus Guilt A Walrusite posted a message down in the following thread concerning guilt. This person was feeling guilty just reading the Walrus, much less telling his/her friends about things they have experienced themselves. I have been there/done that and know exactly what this person is feeling. Criticizing SRF is criticizing Master isn’t it? The answer is no. Many members will think so, and SRF itself certainly will treat it so, but it is not the same thing. To think that all of SRF’s actions (or inactions) are guided by Master and therefore divine (and OK) is cult thinking and wrong. Guilt, guilt, and guilt. I can’t help but think it is a tool of Satan used to drag our minds to past events, taking our minds off God or more positive things happening to us right now. It is also a learned habit. Throughout the day some people’s minds swing back to guilt as if they are “practicing the presence of guilt”. It is a terrible and consuming habit. Get rid of it. Guilt over what? The bad ladies setup an environment where people are stressed and sick and drifting AWAY from God and people like you feel guilty talking about it? If what you saw is true, if you are not making up stories, why should you feel guilty? You don’t understand loyalty and to what you are being loyal. In this situation carefully analyze what you know about SRF and decide what the best course of action for yourself is. You may decide to just forget SRF and all that is associated with it, building a direct relationship with Master. You may decide to better understand what you saw and participate here on the Walrus to exchange ideas and questions. You might be called to actually get involved in trying to fix SRF. Many good souls are still being hurt or are lining up to be the next victims. Ask yourself what Master would do. If someone took over his Guru’s organization, announced that they were the spiritual successor and published their own picture and talks, setup a culture/environment so that when people came to Sri Yukteswar’s ashram to help (monastics and employees) they are abused and treated with no respect… what would Master do? Would he feel guilty talking about it? Would he try to do something about it? Would he feel disloyal trying to change it? *[SRF Walrus: Names removed.* Edited by: srfwalrus at: 3/24/02 9:53:00 pm
Should Free Registered User (1/13/02 3:44 am) Reply ezSupporter	Gossiping is Divine Dear Walrusite You say: <<<My guilt is only confined to what Master said about never speaking negative about anyone or anything>>> Speaking negatively about an individual or an organization could be called gossiping. We have been brainwashed in SRF to see all type of gossiping as evil. The truth is different. Gossiping fulfills some valuable functions in society. Furthermore, there is gossiping and GOSSIPING (WITH THE GOAL TO HURT SOMEONE) Today we had some friends for dinner. A delicious gossiping about a common friend's wife began. I felt the conflict inside -- "YOU SHOULD NOT BE GOSSIPING" the voice was repeating. Shut up I responded --Master said that "God is everything" So, this gossiping is God too. Immediately the bully stopped harassing me, and I enjoyed the delightful gossiping afterward -- it was a great evening! So, you may consider to see gossiping in a different light (I'm not talking about insidious, malignant gossiping with the desire of creating inharmony between people -- that is an extreme). *[SRF Walrus: Names removed.* Edited by: srfwalrus at: 3/24/02 9:52:41 pm
Pig Ma Registered User (1/14/02 9:16 pm) Reply	Re: Leaving Walrus I totally understand. I've been very caught up in it these last few weeks. I know that eventually I will move on as well, but for now I am enjoying the cyber fellowship. *SRF Walrus: Names removed.* Edited by: srfwalrus at: 3/24/02 9:53:39 pm
premdas Registered User (1/14/02 10:01 pm) Reply	Souls like Blessings to ------ and all, who like him/her, are moving on after sharing their experiences with us. I agree with Pig Ma that for the moment, I, too, enjoy the electronic satsanga. My wife and I have been sharing the screen, noting how many factual and more positive-toned posts have been appearing lately (vs 2-3months ago). Thank you, gurubais and friends for asking many right questions, for standing up for truth, for sharing your energy, knowledge and wisdom and for bravely and dharmically representing Guruji. This fight is a delight! Keep having fun! In Joy, Premdas *SRF Walrus: Names removed.* Edited by: srfwalrus at: 3/24/02 9:54:41 pm
Atavika Unregistered User (1/16/02 1:42 pm) Reply	Gossiping is Divine? Dear Should free, Do you believe in Ahimsa--non-injury to others through word or deed? I believe ______ feels guilt because at the core of her belief, she believes in Ahimsa. I do not believe that she should rid herself of this belief, but just to practice it and let go of the guilt. Anyway, that is how I see it. I can also understand where you are coming from, because it is a belief which therapists teach, but basically, no matter how much they teach it, we have a consciousness that they can not get rid of. If the guilt is due to a belief that has been thrust upon you, one that does not really deal with moral issues, then, yes, do not feel guilt. For example, she believed that she was wrong in leaving SRF in spite of seeing things that she felt were wrong in the organization, and it seems to me that she recognized this as false guilt and let it go. Namaste Edited by: srfwalrus at: 3/25/02 7:44:21 pm
Pig Ma Registered User (1/17/02 8:51 pm) Reply	Re: Guilt I think you have a very wise approach. Yes, to be open, talk about and stand up for truth- yet at the same time not to become a negative force. It's a delicate dance, but it sounds like you are finding the balance that suits your style and will come out of this stronger and happier. *SRF Walrus: Names removed.* Edited by: srfwalrus at: 3/24/02 9:55:08 pm
Should Free Registered User (2/15/02 11:51 pm) Reply ezSupporter	About guilt I transcribe here an e-mail interchange I had with a very good friend. He is no doubt and extraordinary spiritual person, but just read .... Dear friend I respect your feelings, but I do not agree whatsoever with you. In a message dated 2/9/02 12:00:49 PM, so and so says about his participation in SRF Walrus.... << it feels like I have participated in the worst possible kind of gossip and disloyalty towards people who done their best to live uprightly, nurture all of us spiritually, and to the best of their ability >> My answer: They messed up with my life and that of many others. They are monks so they do understand the householder's path. As monks they are extremists and believe in a black and white thinking so they do not understand the middle path of the householder. They are celibate, so they do not understand marriage life. They are renunciants so they can't understand our need for having passion for a vocation and living a creative life in tune with our likes and dislikes. They are introverted, so they do not understand half of humanity who is extroverted. They are set into a rut of obedience so they cannot understand the need for challenging authority fearlessly in order to get self-respect. They have the "I'm this good devotee mentality" same as to say "brainless disempowered devotee syndrome" so they cannot understand the householder need for becoming empowered. They are into their craziness of "kill the ego" so they cannot understand our need for self-esteem. They are the very culture of fragmentation so they will never understand our need for integration. Is this the role models you want to have in your life? They already messed up our life long enough. I respect them at a deeper level -- as human beings -- but at this time I need to express my disappointment and differentiate myself through this process. I do not want to be a psychological crippled all my life to continue honoring their BS. The SRF teachings are not dangerous dear friend -- they are deadly. And I tell you that I'm sure many people have died as a consequence of applying these extremist monastic teachings. They died of cancer, depression, loneliness and so on but the real cause was the teachings. This is a deadly cult. Greetings -- Should Free
KS Registered User (3/25/02 7:15 am) Reply	Re: About guilt *Quote:* done their best to live uprightly, nurture all of us spiritually, and to the best of their ability I disagree with your friend. They are not doing their best to nurture all of us spiritually. What action can they point to that would show that? On the nun's side especially, with Sr. Sharana and Jill and others, they are out for control and ego. The membership is not to be trusted and are feared. Has your friend read the stories here? Maybe they don't believe the stories of treatment documented here?
username Registered User (3/25/02 10:51 am) Reply	Re: About guilt OBVIOUSLY THEY DO NOT TRUST MEMBERSHIP. this is why they don't want to listen to lay members. They probably think this board is run by Ananda, that why they can discount all the comments here. If they allowed input from members, they would be exposed to such an overwhelming outpouring of feelings they wouldn't be able to handle it. And then, membership would have no choice but to remove the current management.
FransNagel Registered User (10/17/02 11:38 am) Reply	Re: Gossiping is Divine? I looked up this website because I was hoping to find dedicated SRF members that are seeking God rather than indulge in politics. The prove of SRF lies in its practice, nothing is perfect in this world, there's always gossip around even while master was in the body. My advice is to not doubt and even if you believe there are things going on that you don't fully understand , please don't judge SRF keep practicing Kriya, if you give up your faith in SRF you've finally become an ungrateful cynic. To doubt is not a sign of intelligence as some may seem to think. It's the hand of Satan trying to hold you back.
srflongago Registered User (10/17/02 12:54 pm) Reply	Re: Gossiping is Divine? The downward path of Satan is the path of illusions. Satan often appears as an angelic guide. Critical intelligence and a good heart are required to penetrate these disguises. So uncritical acceptance of what others say can hinder progress on the upward path and instead lead downward. What may at first appear as an upward path may be quite the opposite when illusions are removed. Here some are engaged in a heartfelt search for truth, sprituality, and enlightenment. I wish you a successful journey in the same search. Edited by: srflongago at: 10/19/02 6:39:51 am
Lobo Registered User (10/17/02 7:18 pm) Reply	Re: Gossiping is Divine? FransKagel, I agree with everything you wrote, with just one alteration. Instead of writing SRF as you did write the name Yogananda. Then it makes perfect sense to me. Try to understand. It might take awhile. Yogananda is the guru, SRF is an organization that he founded to disseminate his teachings. Nothing more or less. No organization has ever liberated anyone!
member108 Registered User (10/17/02 7:43 pm) Reply	They are neither SRF works hard to appear to be the Guru or at least the one true voice of the Guru. They are neither. SRF was founded by Yogananda but very quickly tried to become something he did not intend and just as quickly lost its way.
wholetruth Registered User (10/18/02 7:42 am) Reply	Re: Gossiping is Divine? FranzNagel: At this point in time SRF and Yogananda are very nearly opposites in the realm of spirituality. SRF manages to put on a good show, but it is totally superficial. The core has become rotten. If you put your faith in this organization, which has become only a business (and a badly run one at that!), you will become sorely disappointed and disillusioned in the end. The whole point of this message board is to see through all the illusions they have created, to see how far from the path they have strayed, and then to try and discover the real Yogananda and his message, and how it still applies to your life and your spiritual journey.
chuckle chela Registered User (10/18/02 8:16 pm) Reply	Re: Gossiping is Divine? Frans--Are you really so sure that if one gives up one's "faith" in SRF that one has become an ungrateful cynic, as you put it? Are all of us ungrateful cynics? And is doubt always the tool of Satan? Do you believe that SRF is perfect and incapable of error? Just trying to understand your point of view. Obviously, I don't agree with these views, but I'd like to hear what more you might have to say. Thanks.
Gitano no divino Registered User (10/19/02 5:16 am) Reply	If you don't doubt, you won't see Abelard set the tone for nearly a thousand years of Western intellectual and scientific achievement when he declared, "It is by doubting that we come to questioning, and by questioning that we perceive the truth." Frans, if you prefer blind faith, undoubtedly this board is not for you. Many of us have been in SRF for decades (in my case over two), and we know whereof we speak. As Wholetruth pointed out, you, too, will eventually discover the truth of what people are saying here, whether you doubt it or not. It has nothing to do with politics, and it's not just gossip. The corruption and incompetence in SRF are a matter of public record. By the way, I consider myself a cynic in the best sense of that word. I wear my cynicism as a badge of honor. As for Satan, well, that's certainly apropos to the season (Halloween), but let's not make the mistake of viewing that as some entity outside ourselves. Gods, masters, satans are all anthropomorphic projections of dimensions of our own psyche. Your credulity and penchant for blind obedience strike me as just as satanic as my cynicism strikes you. It's all a matter of one's point of view. Edited by: Gitano no divino at: 10/19/02 5:18:38 am
FransNagel Registered User (10/23/02 12:43 pm) Reply	Re: If you don't doubt, you won't see I've been with SRF for going on 2 decades too and most of that time I spend working at Lake Shrine or Hidden Valley. There's some great people there and some not so great people. I remember the day when after a rather intense conversation my (non-monastic) supervisor at the Lake Shrine gave me a hug said 'I love you Frans' and had me fired next week! Such a kicker ! They gave me 2 weeks severance pay for 8 years of faithful service. But my love for SRF is for better or for worse and I prefer too think back of the long time in Paradise with great people like Bro. Dharmananda, with really cool supervisors except for the last one. you get what you need. Within a half year I was making in 1 day what I was making at the Lake Shrine in 2 weeks.
KS Registered User (10/23/02 6:21 pm) Reply	Re: If you don't doubt, you won't see Your time with SRF is probably about average for the Walrusites. The 70’s saw a lot of kids with stars in their eyes searching for meaning and finding SRF. Your story is not of course unique and you surely know that. Many have even been fired, most with less severance than you received. Your comment about making in one day what you made at SRF in two weeks was also common. I know of people taking large pay cuts to go to SRF and you were evidentially one of them. None of them went to work for SRF for money, they went to serve. What they found was that the place was a lie, a cult. While Master was the real thing, a cult had emerged and that was not worth working for. It is difficult to believe that SRF could have warped into what it did and I am sure that readers who have not experienced it will not believe it. You were fired by a culture that allowed that kind of behavior to happen. They promoted that supervisor because they valued his skills. Those skills were certainly not character and love of God, or devotion to serving others. I am curious what your love of SRF is based on? What positive impact do they have on your life? An organization with a few nice people doesn’t really cut it for me. I am also curious why they fired you? I know of whistle blowers being fired, and people who tried to stand up for whistle blowers. What excuse did they have for you?
Rosemarie7 Registered User (10/24/02 10:10 am) Reply	LIFE AFTER THE TRUTH Thank you Wholetruth, regarding your 10-18-02 reply to gossip. "discover the real Yogananda and his message" I have been glued to this monitor for the last four days, horrified, yet all my suspicions validated. Grateful for the heart and integrity of the posts, yet depressed and confused. Grieving for those who have been so severely hurt. For those with the courage to leave and for those with the courage to stay. But what now? Wholetruth said it all for me, "Discover the real Yogananda and his message." This won't be easy after being brainwashed with dogma, but my guide will be my heart. If the message is loving then for me he said it, and is still saying it from the other side. The things he did say that arn't loving, well... He was human too. You see, I think self-realization means that you come to realize that you were never seperated from God in the first place. I don't think it means you are now suddenly perfect and incapable of making a mistake. I hope this does not offend anyone who believes Yogananda is God. He is God, but so are we, the only difference is he knew it for sure: he REALIZED it, and wanted to show us the way.
srflongago Registered User (10/24/02 3:38 pm) Reply	Re: LIFE AFTER THE TRUTH Kriya is a hallowed path to follow toward self-realization. You do not need Yogananda to follow it. Yogananda was just one of many talented Kriya teachers. He was the one who came West. That tradition does not recognize living gods, avatars anyway, contrary to the propaganda associated with the organization he founded. That organization has, as far as I know, no authentic traditional Kriya teachers anyway. So follow the path, not the organization and not the person. Yogananda's uncontaminated early written work bringing Kriya to the West is an excellent guide. Get the Praecepta. Follow your heart, but use a discriminating mind. Do not accept the propaganda of those who want control over your life, work,or income. That is not the authentic Kriya way of Kriya masters. Good luck on your journey!
Rosemarie7 Registered User (10/24/02 4:17 pm) Reply	Re: LIFE AFTER THE TRUTH Srflongago, Thank You for the encouragement. I ordered the Preacepta, by Yogananda, is that the one you had in mind?

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