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seekerseeking Registered User (4/10/04 9:57 am) Reply	Waiting . . . . . Well, soulcircle . . . where is all this devastating evidence you said you had? For someone who's posted 756 messages on this board, you've fallen mysteriously silent.
Sydfrukter Registered User (9/12/05 8:06 am) Reply	Re: Waiting . . . . . Hi. If I may intrude on this: Some think Yogananda died before he died. He said, "I killed Yogananda long ago." This is not exactly the antidote to "Twice warm becomes he that chops wood", but his quotation smacks of "Two times dead". Yogananda also said, "I had countless faults, but God wiped them all away". Yogananda entered nirbikalpa samadhi in 1948, during Christmas meditations, and told that no one would notice that. I did. At a distance. To sum up roughly: "God wiped away Yogananda's faults, but he killed himself anyway, and this took place before he died - and what happened in 1948 was the acme of his sadhana". This shows that Yogananda himself recognized he had countless faults, and then the discussion may take another course - perhaps. I further think we may look on him in our own ways, each in his own way, thinking about this saying of his: "I may don any personality I want". It suggests one should do better than focus on his personality, for he wanted to steer people toward God - which he equated with Self, in essence. Kind regards,
maggie mcclintock Registered User (9/12/05 2:25 pm) Reply	Re: Waiting . . . . . Your post was most interesting. I did not know that Yogananda ever said that he had many faults. Anyway, it certainly is something that SRF would never admit too. I can't say that I believe in God anymore, but I do believe in karma, and so I do believe that whatever faults he did have, they will follow him, but his good deeds will more than likely wipe them out. [quote] It suggests one should do better than focus on his personality, for he wanted to steer people toward God - which he equated with Self, in essence.[/quote] I agree with you wholeheartedly here. Then again, guru worship has been around for hundreds of years if not thousands, and human nature as it is, will always find someone to worship, whether it is God, a Guru, or a rock star. The main problem is, people do focus on their personality. Even SRF spends most of its sermons on Yogananda, what he said, what he did, etc.
Sydfrukter Registered User (9/13/05 8:55 am) Reply	Re: Waiting . . . . . Hi, Maggie and others, Thank you for the comments. The statement that "I had countless faults", is published by SRF, from one of the sermons/talks of Yogananda. I figure it is in one of the SRF books that are currently sold, a trilogy of sermons and talks, as far as I know there are three of them today. If it is not found there, it is in the Self-Realization Magazine from some years back. I seldom thought of remembering the source of Yogananda sayings exactly, but he did say something close to what I rendered, if he is not quoted verbatim. Focus on personality and on one's church is a deep problem to some. A good piece of advice I am happy to share with you is: Don't expect to find a perfect church, but find in it the means to approach the Self. T Such an approach helps one against the "hornet's nest of troubles" that Yogananda called many an organisation (in general). It would appear that SRF also adds substance to the verdict - I don't know, I live far from the Headquarters. "Far from court, far from care," is a proverb that comes to mind for some reason. It is sad that lack of suitable contacts makes one fall from belief in God, but then again, in "classical" yoga that is a thing that may happen too, when a guru stumbles and falls and by that drags others down. There are many stories of such sad "pastimes of God" (lila, play) in books of Hinduism. I have read some, I mean to say. The disciples that strive to focus on another, the guru and his trustworthiness, may get used to greeting him with great elegance and ceremonialness, get dressed in status garbs - whatever - and some think they do well when they get preoccupied with ceremonies and half-rituals and rituals - whatever. But they are not climbing the ladder of inner development so very ardently in so doing. And that is what is to come first, in the training. Actually, belief in God or oneself is hardly needed so long as one does stick to a handy program. That is a good thing too. Yogananda devised or furnished things on top of a kriya program he was to hand over, and let us admit he added to it so much that a ninth could have been enough. He said something very close to one ninth himself. A question is if the kriya system - the basic thing for self-development - is catered to enough. If the mind is turned inward by good contemplation, interiorized, it is attuned, and one becomes pious naturally. It helps to adjust to it. That is what Shankara talks about in some places. ---- "There is a self-existent Reality, which is the basis of our consciousness of ego. That Reality is the Witness of the state of ego consciousness and of the body. That Reality is the constant Witness in all three states of consciousness -- waking, dreaming and dreamless sleep. It is your real Self. That Reality pervades the universe. It alone shines. The universe shines with its reflected light. Its nature is timeless Awareness. It knows all things . . . This is your real Self" (etc). [from Ken Wilber's One Taste, p 74] ---- Be that as it may. I believe sound happiness will allow much progress. And progress that is truly great, does not steal away one's inner clarity. Yogananda says karma seeds can be roasted. This is generally accepted in the kriya yoga tradition, as far as I know. I cannot think of any guru in it who goes against that. Roasted karma seeds will not sprout. (See his The Science of Religion, mainly the last pages). However, with subtle "roasted karma seeds" one may still have conflicts, for outer karmic conditions may not harmonize with one's inner "roasted seeds" perfection at all times. That's another belief. To avoid getting maddened by SRF redactions of the sayings of Yogananda one should perhaps study the uncensured old Yogananda. Many such talks and articles by him are on-line today. That Yogananda is for much material progress too, not just spiritual progress. mysticalportal.net/index1.html These were some thougths. Wishing you well. Edited by: Sydfrukter at: 9/13/05 9:08 am
maggie mcclintock Registered User (9/13/05 3:07 pm) Reply	Re: Waiting . . . . . [quote]Focus on personality and on one's church is a deep problem to some. A good piece of advice I am happy to share with you is: Don't expect to find a perfect church, but find in it the means to approach the Self.[/quote] I think trail and error has shown me that some organizations are better than others, but for most part one has to find it within themselves by meditating and going within and not by relying on a guru or any organization. The teacher can point the way, as do the teachings.

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