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(6/19/05 11:39 am)
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HAPPY FATHER'S DAY
Happy Father's Day Yogananda

divine gypsy
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(6/19/05 5:30 pm)
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Re: HAPPY FATHER'S DAY
Please don't get me started on this subject again. If anyone wishes to try to prove that Yogananda is a father, the ball is in their court. Paternity is pretty easy to prove.

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DNA Clears Yoga Guru in Seven-Year Paternity Dispute

Results: Separate tests show the yogi didn’t father a disciple’s son, but the man bring the charges sticks to his claim

Los Angeles Times/July 11, 2002
By Teresa Watanabe


A renowned guru has been cleared by DNA testing of charges that he broke his celibate vows and fathered a child, his Los Angeles headquarters announced Wednesday.

The announcement marked the latest development in a seven-year paternity dispute involving Paramahansa Yogananda, who was one of the first India masters to introduce yoga philosophy to the West 80 years ago. The guru, who died at age 59 in 1952, was accused of having an illicit affair with a married disciple and fathering Ben Erskine. To conclusively settle the claims, Yogananda’s worldwide organization, the Self-Realization Fellowship, hired a former San Diego criminal prosecutor to establish an independent testing process to compare Erskine’s DNA to samples taken from Yogananda’s three male relatives in India. The results from two separate labs both showed no relationship between Erskine and Yogananda. “For members who revere Paramahansa Yogananda as their profound spiritual guide and guru, the claims were very hurtful and sad,” fellowship spokeswoman Lauren Landress said. “But these results conclusively show there is no truth to them.”

Erskine, informed of the results Wednesday, said he still believed that “Yogananda is my father.” His attorney, Shane Reed, said they would review the DNA results to decide whether to proceed with a court request to disinter Yogananda’s corpse, buried in Glendale, for further testing.

At stake was more than the guru’s integrity: Any successful paternity action could have led to claims on the assets of Yogananda’s spiritual organization, which owns several pieces of prime property, including the flagship Lake Shrine in Pacific Palisades and a hermitage in Encinitas.

The organization operates more than 500 temples and mediation centers in 178 countries; its members have ranged from the late George Harrison to the famous bontanist Luther Burbank. Yogananda initiated such figures as Mahatama Gandhi into kriya yoga and authored such spiritual classics as “Autobiography of a Yogi,” which has been translated into 18 languages.

G. Michael Still, the former San Diego prosecutor who relied extensively on DNA testing in his rape and homicide cases, said the results would prevent Erskine from claiming standing in court to seek any inheritance, copyright assets or the disinterment of the guru’s body.

“In my opinion, this is airtight,” said Still, who added that he was not a fellowship member and knew “little to nothing” about the organization before being hired last year to oversee the testing process.

The dispute first surfaced in 1995 when Erskine’s daughter, Peggy, approached the fellowship with the paternity claims and financial demands. Erskine said his mother, Adelaide, had been a disciple and photographer of Yogananda in the late 1920’s.

The miner acknowledged that his mother never told him he was Yogananda’s son or that she had been physically intimate with the famed guru. But he said his mother hinted at the “wonderful blood” in his veins and fought constantly with her husband – Erskine’s stepfather – over her son’s paternity. His stepfather berated her with accusations of an affair with the guru, Erskine said, and called him “the little black @#%$” because his complexion was darker than that of his four siblings.

“It was talked about constantly,” Erskine said. “I would have been an imbecile not to know” of the charges.

The visit by Erskine’s daughter prompted a fellowship attorney, Michael Flynn, to initiate the first round of DNA testing on hair samples, which was found inconclusive. A second round of testing on blood samples last July showed no relationship. But Reed and Erskine rejected the results as biased because the blood samples were collected and sent to the labs by a fellowship monk they claimed could have doctored the samples.

By this time, the dispute went public with a splashy cover story in a Los Angeles alternative newspaper, fueling efforts by the organization to try to settle the matter once and for all by hiring Still.

Still said he hired a forensic nurse to collect blood samples from Yogananda’s three male relatives living in Calcutta, India. One of them, Biswanth Ghosh, traveled to Los Angeles last year and declared himself “embarrassed and insulted” by the charges. He accused Erskine of fabricating charges in order to cash in on his uncle’s assets and fame. “How is this possible?” Ghosh said of the charges. “My uncle was a famous holy man.”

The forensic nurse videotaped and photographed the entire collection process, confirmed the identity of each of the relatives and oversaw the shipment of samples to two laboratories that worked blindly from each other. The two labs compared six Y chromosome markers, which Still said pass unchanged from one male generation to the next. Both concluded that the three Yogananda relatives were related genetically, but that Erskine was not.

On Wednesday, the organization quietly released the results to its members, beginning with morning meetings for about 60 nuns and 40 monks. Notices were scheduled to be posted at the organization’s eight California temples in the evening.

Members expressed satisfaction that the DNA results appear to have put the matter to rest – but were not surprised that their beloved guru’s name would be cleared.

“As far as I’m concerned, this whole think was kind of a non-event,” said Mike Baake, marketing manager for the group’s publication center. “Anyone with any awareness of who Paramahansa Yogananda was knew that story wasn’t true. When someone in the world tries to do something good, someone else always wants to pull them down.”

Edited by: divine gypsy at: 6/19/05 5:32 pm
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(6/19/05 7:31 pm)
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Re: HAPPY FATHER'S DAY
This is only a SRF press release. Yogananda's son looks exactly like Yogananda.

divine gypsy
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(6/20/05 8:47 am)
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ezSupporter
Re: HAPPY FATHER'S DAY
Right, and Erskines could continue their seven year effort if they thought they could win in court. I've talked to the reporter, and she says, and I agree, that they can say whatever they want but they have no proof. Dhirananda's son first said he'd be tested for matching DNA and then backed out. SRF has done three sets of increasingly stringent tests, and Erskines have dropped their efforts.

Would that suggest that there is an unresolved question?? I've said many times that I wish the Erskines would try to prove their allegations. It's pretty easy to do.

username
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(6/20/05 12:33 pm)
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Why don't you find someone who has a lock of Yogananda's hair and send to to them? The test needs to be removed from SRF's control.

divine gypsy
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(6/20/05 4:31 pm)
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Re: HAPPY FATHER'S DAY
50 year old hair wouldn't necessarily have usable DNA, nor would exhumed remains. The comparison with verified relatives should be able to be fairly conclusive, but I agree that it would be nice to have it done independently. Still, SRF has paid for three sets of tests. The ones making the claims should take some responsibility, and if they find a match then a court could try and sort it out.

Unfortunately, I don't see any other way to do it that is at all likely, and it would certainly be expensive. Maybe the proceeds from Erskine's book could finance trying to prove their contention.

Paramadas
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(6/20/05 9:08 pm)
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Now here's an interesting thought. I vaguely recall reading on the culbuster's EZboard that the supposedly remarkable state of preservation of Yogananda's body is questionable. I didn't follow the science, but they claim that it's no big deal. Well, perhaps Yogananda's body is still in a state of perfect preservation. Apparently, St. Therese of Avila was dug up hundreds of years after her death to move it from Alba to Avila, and her body was in a perfect state of preservation, with no decay, so apparently it can happen. Well, if his body is perfectly preserved, then DNA samples could easily be taken to settle this stupid paternity case once and for all. I say "stupid" because, after all this time, there is ZERO evidence. I mean, Yogananda sure put his foot in his mouth a number of times, but....well, let's not go there.

divine gypsy
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(6/21/05 6:58 am)
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Re: HAPPY FATHER'S DAY
What I recall learning from cultbuster's is that PY was embalmed, which I hadn't known before, and someone therefore claimed that the preservation claims were overblown. Who knows?

But even if his body is remarkably preserved still, I looked on a DNA lab's website and they said that use of exhumed remains to prove paternity is questionable. The chemicals used in embalming would probably affect the DNA needed for the testing. I think the use of relatives is preferable.

moyma
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(6/21/05 12:20 pm)
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Re: HAPPY FATHER'S DAY
sometimes it's just easier not to know....
You just throw it out there and see where it sticks !
;) ;) ;) .....There is a simple test that really is not that expensive and NO ONE outside of SRF has had the guts to do it....
It may prove SRF to be right....then what would you have ?
CHAOS !! thats what ! :lol

ugizralrite
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(6/23/05 9:00 am)
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Re: HAPPY FATHER'S DAY
Back when I was under the illusion that PY and SRF were what they claimed to be, I would have doubted this paternity issue. Now we know that it has all been cobbled together by many minds, all with human foibles, including PY. Perhaps SRF and the bunites still believe in the monster they created "Its alive"!!! But knowing what we now know about the real origins and the existence of a possible son, it becomes something that just won't go away. Were Erskine the Son of God, i.e. the son of an Avatar, then it would have strong implications. However it seems that he is just one of many sons whose fathers will not or can not own-up. PY could be the Dad, or not, either way I would not be surprised. The view is great sitting as I do on the fence, maybe I should run for office.8o

Edited by: ugizralrite at: 6/23/05 9:09 am
ugizralrite
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(6/23/05 9:05 am)
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Re: HAPPY FATHER'S DAY
double entry oops.

Edited by: ugizralrite at: 6/23/05 9:06 am
divine gypsy
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(6/23/05 5:33 pm)
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Re: HAPPY FATHER'S DAY
I feel that, in times when paternity is so easy to prove, for people to claim it and not attempt to prove it means that very likely it will go away.

First it should be scientifically determined that Ben's parentage is, in fact, different from that of his siblings.

ranger20
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(6/26/05 5:33 pm)
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Re: HAPPY FATHER'S DAY
Paternity seems to be the subject Walrus types always come around to on this or other forums over the last year or so. Somehow it's always seemed to me somewhat of of an unfortunate diversion.

It reminds me a bit of the whole swift boat issue during the election last summer. It is not that the swift boat issue was unimportant - it did pertain to one candidate's character and truthfullness. But there was not any diffinitive evidence, and few people's minds were probably changed from the beliefs they already had, and ultimately, it was a real victory for the Bush camp, since they managed to deflect debate from the current war to a war that had ended 30 years earlier.

The paternity issue does pertain to character and truthfullness. Definitive evidence is not likely to emerge. People are going to believe pretty much what they believe. And attention is diverted from the current harm that SRF statements on sexuality do to the majority of lay disciples - from present problems to questions that are decades old.

Obviously it's not that simple, but I think you get my drift...

divine gypsy
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(6/27/05 7:19 am)
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Well, I guess I get your drift but the analogy really doesn't exactly apply when you consider that there is, arguably, definitive evidence but that the side making the claim won't acknowledge that it might be true and/or challenge it in court and/or present their own contradictory evidence.

I see the analogy as more applicable in the way that those who would like to believe that Yogananda is a father seem to believe that saying it over and over, irrespective of evidence, will make it true in the minds of increasing numbers of people.

ranger20
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(6/27/05 8:34 am)
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saying it over and over, irrespective of evidence, will make it true in the minds of increasing numbers of people

I believe you have just clarified the analogy I was aiming at. Taking a page from advertising and what passes for mainstream news, repetition substitutes for evidence.

But beyond that generalization, I simply am not able to get too excited about the paternity issue one way or another. In terms of harm to great numbers of lay people in SRF, I would argue that arguing about paternity causes us to miss the obvious. Like what has been the effect on SRF married couples of chapter 1 of the AY, when we discover that really good married couples do the deed only once a year for children, and later we learn that really really good couples (Mr & Mrs Lahiri) don't indulge those base passions at all.

Certainly a paternity believer would argue that such "teachings" are the result of repression (methinks they doth protest too much). However, I keep thinking back to some of the earliest and most penetrating critiques of SRF on the Walrus, in which it is clear that there is plenty that is very problematical that is right up front and not hidden.

Maybe it's all been said and what is hidden is the only thing left to talk about :rolleyes

Edited by: ranger20 at: 6/27/05 8:59 am
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