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username Registered User (6/10/05 6:16 am) Reply	Re: PY the anti-communist Thanks meth user, I really appreciate this discussion of the truth of Yogananda. It is true, as is stated on the "cult" board, that at every minor recession, SRF people are waiting for the massive depression that Yogananda predicted in World Crisis. I guess, since Yogananda "missed" predicting the first "big recession", he wanted to cover himself. I asked SRF about this once, and they told me something like "concentrate on today". Then, why, are they continuing to publish the booklet? My guess is that they want something awful to happen (and then India and US combine to save the world!) so they can say "Yogananda predicted this?" SRF should stop publishing this booklet... just like they stopped reprinting all the old magazines... because it just shows that Yogananda was not an advanced yogi... He was just a rich boy who asked his Dad for money to travel to the US. And quickly figured out a scam to get money from Americans. There is NO way Lynn was anything else than a "money purse" to Yogananda. Remember, this was the depression....And Yogananda and his "followers" were living really really well. By taking advantage of a rich man in a relationship with a crazy, loveless woman. Lynn would have been either a nut to live with and made his wife "mad" OR depressed because he was dealing with his wife. Lynn was not 'realized' or he would have never gotten into the relationship to begin with. OR another view would be that there is nothing wrong with the wife and SRF made it all up OR Yogananda created the madness in Lynn's wife to manipulate Lynn (this, of course, would be for those that still think Yogananda had some yogic powers) And if Yogananda was realized the Hindu texts says that 7 generations would be realized. So is his son realized? We know that Lahiri was not realized, because his grandson Shibendu is a leach.
moyma Registered User (6/10/05 7:03 am) Reply	Re: PY the anti-communist Ok guys, I take back my forlorn attitude about Yogananda, I find his remarks true and considering they were made in 33 very, very insight full......what did he say ? A Snubbed Germany may join forces with Russia ? Do you realize what that would have caused ? Also his remarks about international disarmament ??I believe it was the Only way peace could have been obtained in the 30's ....and even today "brute force doesn't work" ....Period . do you people really believe that is the way to keep the peace, as opposed to international disarmament ?or would you all consider a world war a smashing success. And what about the big one ? this big depression?Sounds to me like it didn't meet your time line there fore it is false......I'm not buying that argument.... It keeps in tune with what the teaching is... don't put stock in outer things because you will be disappointed , It will fail you. Just because a bunch of overzealous bliss bunnies take it to mean the end of the world doesn't mean that it is wrong advice.... In fact read, "the end of the world " In mans eternal Quest.there is some future gazing in there that is right on.He says it in there, there will continue to be wars until we have a international disarmament. Also I never heard 7 generations would be realized but that 7 generations would be blessed by it....Shabindu may be proof of it ? Edited by: moyma at: 6/10/05 7:06 am
ranger20 Registered User (6/10/05 9:54 am) Reply	Re: PY the anti-communist We know that Lahiri was not realized, because his grandson Shibendu is a leach. username, this is the first such characterization I've heard of Shibendu. Most others, on the kriya board for instance, seem to view him as a contemporary source of the real deal. Why do you say he's a leach?
moyma Registered User (6/10/05 11:16 am) Reply	Re: PY the anti-communist One more defense of Yogananda's first statement......... Germany uniting with Russia to invade france.....in 1933..... Saying that would NOT be a good thing...That doesn't sound like he doesn't know that WW 2 is coming.... Sounds to me like he just mapped out the major players in the war over the next ten years, You think maybe....just maybe a little praise at the right time might have worked wonders for the world. In 33 anything was possible , except the coarse Europe and the great united states took, which was to ignore or fallback on are "ARMS" to protect us........which didn't work ! My explanation is just as good as the ones I've been hearing here....That he was uninformed, Just saying it for something to say. He didn't really understand what was happening.... just a fool ?? To say that in 33 ?.....I would still want Yogananda on my side !!! I think that statement holds a lot more than what you guys are getting out of it.
divine gypsy Registered User (6/10/05 12:17 pm) Reply ezSupporter	Re: PY the anti-communist And exactly how was Hitler an uplifting influence on the German people?
username Registered User (6/10/05 12:48 pm) Reply	Re: Shibendu Shibendu has a real bad reputation in India. He was never even given more than first kriya from his dad. His reputation is so bad, that it was really hard for him to find anyone who would marry his son. He is a pervert who looks at women who comes to him for initiation. He tried to assault a woman in N. America, had an affair with a woman in Europe, asked a woman in the US to marry him, groped a woman in Texax during initiation, all while his wife was dying. Did he care for his wife? NO, he dumped her off at her parents. Left her there, went to South India where he was staying with a "woman", came back when his wife died, went to Europe - and had an affair with a different European woman. This really made the first European woman mad! ( a German woman says that she saw Shibendu and the "first" European woman together many years before his wife died) Shibendu had promised her that they would be united once his wife died. This "first" European woman then told everyone what was going on! Shibendu's first kriya is correct. All the other "kriyas" Shibendu has just made up. One of the fellows who is running the "other kriya" board, was given permission by Shibendu to initiate people, so it is in his interest to 'proctect' Shibendu's reputation. Shibendu is a follower of Osho. He has either syphilis or some other disease. The bottom of his feet are all rotted out. Shibendu says that he is a very rich man in India. He likes to comes to the West on all expense paid trips where his hosts take him sightseeing. Shibendu says that some people tell him that they see him protecting him, but Shibendu just laughs and says privately that he doesn't see them at all. Shibendu is crude...it is apparent immediately upon meeting him.
metheuse Registered User (6/11/05 1:02 am) Reply	a bit more on anti-communism To follow up on my earlier post, why would PY be more concerned about communism than fascism? In a nutshell, the commies openly opposed religion, whereas the Nazis were far more clever. Hitler gave lip-service to religion, meanwhile murdering, torturing and intimidating his way to power. As propagandists, the commies were amateurs. The duplicitous fascists spouted religious-sounding phrases to soothe the ears of religious people, and the vast majority of religionists, Yogananda included, were taken in by the deception. So what's the big deal----lots of people were fooled. The big deal, as I have too-oft repeated in these discussions, is that PY set himself up as an all-seeing Guru, and in this case at least, he flunked the exam. There's an old expression, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Sorry folks, but that cutsie aphorism is simply not true. In this case, both the commies and the Nazis were dangerous and evil. Had Yogananda been able to see that, he would most certainly not have described Hitler's iron dictatorship as "uplifting guidance." Heaven forbid.
feelbetrayed Registered User (6/11/05 1:18 am) Reply	Re: Shibendu Is it possible Yogananda didn't say those favorable things about Hitler & Mussolini, but that someone else did, and then attributed them to Yogananda? Kind of like how SRF slaps Yogananda's name on things they recently create, like most of the Second Coming, much of the Rubiyat, etc. We know Laurie Pratt & others took extremely liberal license in changing what PY wrote, to the extent of nearly 100% alteration (e.g.; Whispers From Eternity). Maybe she or someone else wrote those things and put Master's name on them??? What do you think about that?
metheuse Registered User (6/11/05 1:40 am) Reply	where was PY in December 1933? feelbetrayed, Excellent question. So what are the options here? The paragrah on Hitler pretty much creates its own context, so I don't think we could claim that PY was taken out of context. Could Tara Mata have made the whole thing up? That doesn't sound too plausible, but I admit I don't really know. Quite frankly, if she did write the AY, she did a pretty damn good job, so it's not like she's some sort of hack. One question that might be helpful in this discussion is to investigate where PY was while this Christmas (1933) issue of East-West was being compiled. Was he on one of his long lecture tours, or was he at Mt. Washington then? I'd have a harder time visualizing this sort of mistake if PY were close at hand.
Bosco Hurn Registered User (6/11/05 2:16 am) Reply	Re: where was PY in December 1933? He sure as hell wasn't in Ukraine. I found this on a Google search; it's from the Library of Congress: "The death toll from the 1932-33 famine in Ukraine has been estimated between six million and seven million. According to a Soviet author, "Before they died, people often lost their senses and ceased to be human beings." Yet one of Stalin's lieutenants in Ukraine stated in 1933 that the famine was a great success. It showed the peasants "who is the master here. It cost millions of lives, but the collective farm system is here to stay.".. " And Yogananda ignorantly repeats obvious Soviet propaganda while claiming that Stalin is conducting a "great experiment". Like I said earlier--pathetic. BTW, I have added below the rest of the Library of Congress piece in case anyone is unfamiliar with the Ukraine famine. Pretty grisly, it was NOT the result of natural causes. "The dreadful famine that engulfed Ukraine, the northern Caucasus, and the lower Volga River area in 1932-1933 was the result of Joseph Stalin's policy of forced collectivization. The heaviest losses occurred in Ukraine, which had been the most productive agricultural area of the Soviet Union. Stalin was determined to crush all vestiges of Ukrainian nationalism. Thus, the famine was accompanied by a devastating purge of the Ukrainian intelligentsia and the Ukrainian Communist party itself. The famine broke the peasants' will to resist collectivization and left Ukraine politically, socially, and psychologically traumatized. The policy of all-out collectivization instituted by Stalin in 1929 to finance industrialization had a disastrous effect on agricultural productivity. Nevertheless, in 1932 Stalin raised Ukraine's grain procurement quotas by forty-four percent. This meant that there would not be enough grain to feed the peasants, since Soviet law required that no grain from a collective farm could be given to the members of the farm until the government's quota was met. Stalin's decision and the methods used to implement it condemned millions of peasants to death by starvation. Party officials, with the aid of regular troops and secret police units, waged a merciless war of attrition against peasants who refused to give up their grain. Even indispensable seed grain was forcibly confiscated from peasant households. Any man, woman, or child caught taking even a handful of grain from a collective farm could be, and often was, executed or deported. Those who did not appear to be starving were often suspected of hoarding grain. Peasants were prevented from leaving their villages by the NKVD and a system of internal passports." Edited by: Bosco Hurn at: 6/13/05 10:04 am
divine gypsy Registered User (6/11/05 1:33 pm) Reply ezSupporter	Re: where was PY in December 1933? Definitely not "all-seeing" -- at least in 1933.
feelbetrayed Registered User (6/11/05 2:11 pm) Reply	Re: where was PY in December 1933? *Quote:* Definitely not "all-seeing" -- at least in 1933. Yes, you have a good point.
stermejo Registered User (6/12/05 11:16 am) Reply	Re: How about that Gandhi! I won't rempve my former post it wouldn't be honest but I do feel the words were written in haste. I had read in other accounts that Gandhi himself felt great pain and a sense of responsibility for the carnage of Division. Perhaps until I read this book, I thought he felt a neurotic guilt. Rather, it must have been a clear realization that by his actions and inactions he brought about Division. I was struck with a twinge of guilt as I read the account of Gandhi's death (the author gives it about a paragraph) and the words of Nerhu, "The light has gone out of our lives...the father of our nation is dead." I was wrong to disparage Gandhi. Let it be but thanks to Peter French for telling the hard truths. Many Gandhian's surely feel otherwise but if anything else, though peering through some tunnels, Gandhi sought truth and meaning in life. All of us do. French says this: "Without his (Gandhi's) success in turning Congress into a mass movement in the 1920's, it is unlikely that the British would have been dislodged by 1947." Among accounts of modern India's birth I have read, French's book exposes much of the bizarre foibles of the cast of characters and the backroom wrangling required to wrest final control of the "Jewel" from the British Crown. The main point the author wants to make is that India was out of control of the Crown long before 1947 AND the plan to partition India was delayed until the bitter end because it was in NO ONE'S common interest. They we all giants, Gandhi, Nehru, Jinnah, Patel, Bose, Churchill, blinded visionaries some more practical than others. IMHO, the biggest Villan in the story is Winston Churchill. He hated India, the Congress and Indians. Almost mad on the subject, he could not be relied upon to talk coherently or rationally about it. For what it's worth, He fell short of Cromwell's hatred of the Irish. The death of their (including Jinnah's) vision of a United India is/was a tragedy. Communal hatred palyed a big role. In August 1947, Jinnah, the man whom many blame for wanting to set up a communal society, said this to the people of Pakistan: "You are free, you are free to go to your temples. You are free to go to your mosques or to any other places of worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed - that has nothing to do do with the business of the State ... We are starting in the days when there is no discrimination, no discrimination between one community and another, no discrimination between one caste or creed or another. We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are all citizens and equal citizens of one State ..." As the author points out, "It was a magnificent vision for the new nation, but one that was to be destroyed by the end of the month." This is scope of the tragedy. In an earlier post someone metioned, What about Assam and Bhutan? I can provide a quote of the book relating to that if you want to e-mail me. Parts of the book relating to Gandhi might be a good medicine for Walrii because Gandhi is far more "sanctified" throughout India than PY will ever be here (I know BBs don't beleive that way). Gandhi deserves praise but this book puts that in perspective and really it isn't mosly about Gandhi. Like French says of Mountbatten, he was a bit player who inflated his own role. SRF is there to keep PY's role "inflated." In Conclusion:-), This story of India touches on some present day issues. WHY don't people (read politicians) REMEMBER the past? God Almighty, they always "hark back" to the Constituion and the Founding Fathers. The US Constitution was a line drawn in the sand. Our founding fathers had had enough of the likes of religion "guiding" the decisions of government. Let's look beyond the line. "The light has gone out of our lives..." might a good new motto for the Walrus?
Used Yogi Registered User (6/12/05 7:53 pm) Reply	Re: How about that Gandhi! Here's the link on the Kriya Yoga ezboard about Shibendu Lahiri: p101.ezboard.com/fkriyayogaboardfrm12.showMessage?topicID=3.topic I didn't know if it was for real or not but after reading posts in this thread, it sounds like it is. I was the one who mentioned Sikkim and Assam. As far as I know, India decided to take over Sikkim so they did. Used Yogi
moyma Registered User (6/13/05 7:07 pm) Reply	Re: PY the anti-communist So what is your answer to Yogananda's question ?? Would you have suggested that Germany unite with Russia ? And wouldn't it be "uplifting Guidance" for Hitler NOT to do that ?This question has to be taken in it's context of the article..... This whole article is about what Hitler did and what may be the outcome in the future .....What is the lesser of two evils ? Stick to the article.....
divine gypsy Registered User (6/14/05 9:16 am) Reply ezSupporter	Re: PY the anti-communist Under Hitler's uplifting guidance, Germany did unite with Russia and it gave Hitler time to invade Europe and start killing off those who didn't measure up to his racial, ethnic, health, sexuality, etc, etc, etc, standards. Then Hitler, with his uplifting uplifting influence, broke the pact with Russia by invading them too, and sealed his fate. In hindsight, I think the Allies would've been best served by boycotting and/or attacking Germany when he first invaded Poland and showed clearly his empire building designs. I don't know that much about Mussolini, but his summary of fascism doesn't do much for me. For me, the quotes simply make it clear that Master wasn't omniscient, at least in 1933. He didn't understand Hitler's sadistic/messianic motives, he didn't realize how many Stalin had ALREADY killed, he thought dictators were preferable to democracy. And later, though he didn't predict the Great Depression (to my knowledge) he predicted a greater depression that, so far (65 years later) hasn't happened. I just want to see my guru without rose-colored glasses.
Paramadas Registered User (6/14/05 9:08 pm) Reply	the truely great depression to come Speaking of Master's prediction of a great depression, has anyone here done any astrology on the future of the United States, say around 2012 to 2014? Have a look sometime--it ain't pretty. I used to say 2012 was D-Day for the USA, but the transit chart (standard western, tropical) for the USA for 2014 looks even worse. I haven't gone beyond that yet. After the 9/11 events, Daya Mata twice publicly stated that that tragedy was the leading edge of the "black cloud" vision she had in 1963 in India. Oh, it's coming alright, folks. Call me a liar in 2014 if everything's hunky-dory. I'll even eat my hat.
moyma Registered User (6/14/05 9:15 pm) Reply	Re: PY the anti-communist I still think you are reading to much into that article , The things he said , came to pass....!933 was a much different time....But I think you are right.Guru's are not fortune tellers....Standing on what you know to be true is a much better path.
moyma Registered User (6/14/05 9:21 pm) Reply	Re: the truely great depression to come I want More !!!! tell me more !!!!!!
Paramadas Registered User (6/14/05 9:54 pm) Reply	irreconcilable differences Quoting methuser from 6/8/05: [quote]My prayers to PY still work, always have. If I'm in some desperate strait, he comes and rescues me, sometimes miraculously. The techniques still work, always have, at least if you make an effort. And most of Yogananda's advice is good advice.[/quote] He's right. If you pray to Yogananda, you get wise guidance and loving comfort. You do NOT feel that he's an incompetent idiot, which is certainly what he sounds like in those old East-West articles. Sorry, folks, I can't reconcile these two contrasting views of the Guru. Anybody got any brilliant ideas for explaining this conundrum? Edited by: Paramadas at: 6/14/05 9:56 pm

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