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Paramadas
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(7/11/05 6:08 pm)
Reply 		Re: Maybe this is a "Core Issue"
No DG, I don't think dontknow is saying anything so radical (referring to the bomb threat). He's got a valid point, and a proper discussion of the relationship between spiritual awakening and "right action" politically is indeed a "core issue." So here's my two and a half cents worth.

Jesus set the stage for the debate. See John 12:8. Mary anointed Jesus' feet with a costly oil, spikenard, and Judas asked why this oil was not sold, and the money given to the poor. Jesus replied, "Let her alone..... For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always."

This story brings up all kinds of philosophical questions, not the least of which is why a seemingly "good" God allows his children to suffer, and indeed invents the means of their suffering (since God is the author of everything).

Another point: SRF has always tried to focus on bringing the liberating technique of kriya yoga to the world, and to this extent, I agree with their approach. They fear that if they got actively involved in politics, it would compromise their mission and distract them from their goal. This does not mean that they are heartless, it just means that they are wisely choosing to focus on one thing they can do well.....OK, so maybe they screw up, but I agree with their approach.

Paramadas
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(7/11/05 6:25 pm)
Reply 		On not chickening out
Here's the other side of the issue:

There was a saying in Europe that World War I happened because the artists and philosophers and "sensitive types" were distainful of politics, and retreated into their art whenever danger signs erupted. This should be a lesson for anyone who smugly feels that they do not need to get politically involved because they're "spiritual." If you avoid your duty as a citizen, very bad things happen.

Another story, this one from World War II, makes the same point even more forcefully. Unfortunately, this is a true story. There was a Catholic priest living in Nazi Germany before the War, and he decided not to protest the treatment of the Jews because he wasn't a Jew. When the Nazis came for the socialists and communists, he didn't protest their illegal arrest and imprisonment because he didn't like them very much. When the Nazis started coming for the Prostestants, he kept silent because they were his competition. Then the Nazis came for him, and there was nobody left to speak up for him or defend him, and he went to Auschwitz, never to be seen again.

So, as Will Shakespeare said so long ago, "Tis it nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, or to take arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing, end them? THIS is the quesion, indeed. And what's the answer? Well, the answer won't be the same for everyone. The best answer I can come up with is this--- stay in tune with God and Guru as best you can. If you feel inspired to get involved politically, like dontknow, then by all means do so. But if you are too timid, or whatever, then follow your inner dictates. As for myself, I try to pick a middle path. If there's something I can do to stop an injustice, I'll do it, but my experience has been that I don't communicate too well, so I don't try to get myself elected, or anything like that. In other words, I do what I can. I think the really bad thing would be to feel that you should get involved and chicken out.

dontknownothinbouthistory
Registered User
(7/14/05 12:48 pm)
Reply 		Re: Maybe this is a "Core Issue"
" So, are you saying that you would agree with whoever issued another bomb threat, or some such thing, for the Bonaventure Hotel for Convocation week?"

No

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moyma
Registered User
(7/15/05 7:10 am)
Reply 		Re: Maybe this is a "Core Issue"
I think it has more to do with people replacing there spiritual practices with a cause....they lose track of what is really important... Some outer cause becomes there purpose in life.
Jesus threw out the monylenders in the temple.....
you have to confront it, but it is a side issue to finding God.
change yourself and you change thousands.

GeneAum
Registered User
(7/15/05 9:24 pm)
Reply 		Re: Move On and George Soros
At a commemorative service last March the minister read the speech that Yogananda gave just before his mahasamadhi (before reading My India). In it he (PY) exhorted everyone to "work for peace".

PY didn't say "meditate for peace" (which would be an SRF interpretation) - he said "work".

As the major cause of war is the insanity of political leaders, it becomes clear that getting involved in politics is one of the best ways to 'work for peace'.

moyma
Registered User
(7/16/05 8:17 am)
Reply 		Re: Move On and George Soros
Gandhi is one more good example...you have to confront the ignorance in people .
truth is a experience , not a outward cause, you don't define it..... you live it.
And confront the ignorance along the way,
As the police would say , {or Sting} " There is no political solution to our troubled evolution....we are spirits in the material world ."

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