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dontknownothinbouthistory Registered User (12/8/05 9:59 pm) Reply	4..3..2..1..ready or not here I come...... Spiritual hide n seek Did you look under the bed
Ringbearer7 Registered User (12/9/05 12:47 am) Reply	Re: 4..3..2..1..ready or not here I come...... Ok, that would be kinda creepy except I don't have a bed...but I'll check my closet just in case. Seriously, the only person I've ever heard claim that Babaji had a falling out with Yogananda was Marshall Govindan. Do you honestly consider Govindan to be a reliable source for historical information concerning these matters? You have called out some other posters out for being careless about historical facts, and yet you apparently have no problem using questionable sources when they support your own point of view. That seems like bad form to me.
moyma Registered User (12/9/05 10:06 pm) Reply	Re: 4..3..2..1..ready or not here I come...... brravo ! ringbearer has it right.....don'tknownothing .....is a good name ! Sounds almost like a reincarnation of.....mmmmm he has so many names here.
maggie mcclintock Registered User (12/14/05 11:24 am) Reply	On Dhirananda I will say the first part of the post is correct.....the inscription to SY on the Dedication Page of Philosophic Insight and basically the material on the Yogoda Booklet. After that there are some errors. The writer of this post would seem to be either an Ananda member or Kriyananda, himself. They/he simply choke on the idea that Dhiranandaji was quite capable of not only writing these books, but also putting material together himself......after all Dhiranandaji began writing his "Yogic Syllabus" when he was around 15 years old. The term, "Ghost Writer" is a Donald Walters special. You see after Dhiranandaji left Yoganandaji in 1929, it was a Harry Sieber, a supporter of Yoganandaji and a lawyer in Pennsylvania, that said that the Yogoda name and work would be altered. Now if you are the real creator of a work, you simply do not ditch your brain child because someone leaves your group. That is a dead giveaway of whose "brain child" all of those books were.Yes, Yoganandaji certainly knew the Pathway and he and Dhiranandaji worked together, but Yoganandaji did not write the Pathway. A scientific writer goes for precision and detail.Once you have the correct formulae, you do not change it. Yoganandaji permitted and promoted the changes in order to be assured of no further lawsuits, etc. This is when Kamala and Mrs. Royston began re-writing the material, as well as, putting class notes together and developing the Praecepta Lessons that came into being in 1934. Basu Kumar Bagchi was never mentioned in the biography, AY. Basu Kumar Bagchi was first and only mentioned in Mejda, which was written by his friend and Yoganandaji's brother, Sananda. This book was published in 1980.Sananda remained a true and loyal friend to Dhiranandaji throughout his life.. The two corresponded. To end this "taffy pull", Dhiranandaji had made up his mind to leave Yoganandaji before the confrontation in New York in 1929. There was no persuasion on this issue by others. Actually, the higher perspective is that Divine Will directed the life of Dhiranandaji to enter the scientific arena. His Mission in life was to help Humanity. With the proving up that the Life-Light wave enters man at the medulla oblongata, Dr. Basu Kumar Bagchi set the cornerstone for the coming development of the MRI technology. In effect, Swami Dhirananda confronted Swami Yogananda in NYC in April, 1929 over differences in Swami Yogananda's personal and professional life. This lead Swami Dhirananda to decide to break the partnership that he and Swami Yogananda had concerning the Yogoda movement in America. Swami Dhirananda had written all of the books and Lessons for Yogoda. An Agreement was signed by Swami Yogananda to pay Swami Dhirananda for his share of the proceeds from these books over the years from 1922 to 1929. A Note in the sum of $8,000.00, was professionally drawn up and singed by Swami Yogananda, using first his monastic name of Swami Yogananda, and then the second signature was that of his Hindu given name, Mukunda Lal Gosh, and duly Notarized in NYC. This Note contained certain stipulations for a monthly amount to be paid to Swami Dhirananda by Swami Yogananda. Swami Yogananda reneged on his payments of same and therefore Swami Dhirananda brought suit against Swami Yogananda for collection of the Note in 1935 . So this is what the lawsuit was about. It was not about the personal life of Swami Yogananda. Swami Dhirananda was never paid the full amount, and actually never received a cent of the money. The lawyer's fees ate up the final settlement. Swami Yogananda did not live up to his commitments. I hope this helps clear up some things. Edited by: maggie mcclintock at: 1/3/06 10:38 am
Paramadas Registered User (12/14/05 3:15 pm) Reply	Re: On Dhirananda So, the explanation for why Yogoda was changed to Self Realization had to do with the rift between Dhirananda and Yogananda. Well, that's interesting news. Wonder how many SRF devotees know (or care)?. Frankly, I never liked the name Yogoda myself. Sounds dorky. Another fact that Maggie highlighted from an earlier part of this thread was the fact (I presume it's a fact) that Dhirananda went on to an illustrious career in science, inventing or contributing to the invention of something with real practical medical use. It would be interesting to start a new thread, if anyone's got the info, to investigate Dhirananda's publication record to see just how much he did contribute to this work. Once again, I am reminded that we are probably most "in tune" when we accept changes in our lives without getting all bent out of shape emotionally about them. I may be exaggerating an earlier poster's comments, but I was led to believe that Dhirananda's career as a yoga teacher was less than illustrious and that he was distraught over his break with Yogananda. Clearly, Yogananda was disturbed by the break. We know because he said so. Both men went on to do great things, and most likely that's where God wanted them. Remind me of this the next time I whine about having to change careers, or apartments, or lovers or whatever. Like a kitten in Divine Mother's lap. Let her place you where she wants you to be. Sounds good in theory, eh?
True Enuf Registered User (12/15/05 6:20 pm) Reply	Re: On Dhirananda Your recitation of facts proves absolutely nothing one way or the other. We agree on the first part of my post re inscription etc... Next I mention what Satyananda wrote from his first-hand perspective in his PY bio, so maybe you find him in error. Then I purposely caution that what I heard about Dhirananda is hearsay. The rest is my opinion about Dhira's writing... that's neither right or wrong, just one person's opinion. Dhirananda figured prominently in Satyananda's PY bio, I wasn't talking about the AY. Read more carefully before you post. While you toss around names and dates, the 'glue' with which you bind them together to fit your theory is sheer conjecture or hearsay. At least I declare when I write hearsay, since there's no way I can submit substantive evidence to prove it. Here's a question: Since you say "The lawyer's fees ate up the final settlement", why was there a final settlement, as opposed to a court order directing PY to pay as provided in the note or face seizure of the monies from any bank account of his or seizure of assets by the sheriff to satisfy the claim?
maggie mcclintock Registered User (12/23/05 11:09 am) Reply	Re: On Dhirananda Firstly, every statement in my former srf walrus posting is a statement of fact that can be supported by documentation. There is nothing written that is hearsay, speculation or opinion. Secondly, the best thing for your comprehension of the lawsuit is to give a sequential rendering of events in the parting of Swami Dhirananda and Swami Yogananda. 1. Swami Dhirananda arrives unannounced in NYC in March 1929, and confronts Swami Yogananda about their partnership in Yogoda. This confrontation leads to the separation of Swami Dhirananda from that partnership with Swami Yogananda. After some three to four weeks of negotiations, "That on or about the 11th day of April, 1929, defendant (Swami Yogananda), for a valuable consideration, made and executed and delivered to plaintiff (Swami Dhirananda) his Promissory Note in words and figures as follows, to wit: $8,000.00 New York City, N. Y. April 11, 1929. In installments as herein stated, FOR VALUE RECEIVED, I promise to pay to SWAMI GIRI-DHIRANANDA, also known as BASU KUMAR BAGCHI, or order, the sum of Eight thousand dollars ($8000.00) on or before January 1, 1936. Payable at the Citizens National Trust & Savings Bank of Los Angeles, No. 457 South Spring Street, Los Angeles, California, in installments of One hundred dollars ($100.00) on the first day of each and every month beginning May 1., 1929 and so continuing each month until the entire principal sum is paid. Should any monthly installment of principal remain unpaid for a period of five (5) months, then, at the option of the holder of this note, the entire principal sum remaining unpaid shall become immediately due and payable. Swami Yogananda Mukunda Lal Ghosh" This Promissory Note was in payment of Swami Dhirananda's services as teacher, lecturer and writer for Yogoda religious seminary from 1922 to April, 1929. 2. Swami Dhirananda returns and leaves Mt. Washington Educational Center in Los Angeles. He remains in Los Angeles, continuing his service as a sannyasin and founds his Raja Yoga Society. Swami Dhirananda continues to publish his writings, teach and give weekly Sermons over the radio. He is invited to speak at clubs, schools and universities, and churches. Swami Dhirananda receives one installment amount of $100.00 on August 1, 1929. This is the only installment Swami Yogananda ever pays. Swami Yogananda reneges on the Promissory Note he executed and signed. 3. Swami Dhirananda files Complaint in the Superior Court of the State of California in and for the County of Los Angeles in or about December, 1929. The original filing of his Complaint was lost or destroyed by the Court. (This is so stated in the 1935 Court lawsuit files.) At this point Swami Dhirananda does not proceed with the lawsuit. The lawsuit remains on hold. 4. Swami Dhirananda decides in 1932 to return to college for a Ph.D. degree. He steps down from being a swami in December, 1932, and enters the University of Iowa. Swami Dhirananda receives his Ph.D. degree in June, 1935, and enters the field of brain wave research. He refiles Complaint on the Promissory Note on May 3, 1935. The Court permits Swami Dhirananda's (Dr. Basu Kumar Bagchi's) copies of the original Complaint files to be used. 5. In the trial of the lawsuit of Swami Dhirananda vs. Swami Yogananda, Swami Yogananda accused Swami Dhirananda "of taking secretly, against Swami Yogananda's will, and without Swami Yogananda's consent the sum of Twenty Thousand Sixty-Six Dollars and sixty-one cents ($20,066.61) in the City of Los Angeles, County of Los Angeles, State of California beginning on the 14th day of April, 1923 in the years 1924, 1925, 1926, 1927, 1928, and up to and including the 24th day of April, 1929." With the loss of these financial records, Swami Yogananda was demanding that it was Swami Dhirananda that owed him monies in the amount of this $20,066.61. This box containing the said lost checks and cancelled checks or otherwise, books, confidential records, papers and files were discovered by a janitor at Mt. Washington in an old rubbish heap in the basement of Mt. Washington in Los Angeles, on the 8th of May,1935. Swami Dhirananda had no knowledge of this box being hidden in the basement of Mt. Washington. And in this regard Swami Dhirananda alleged that Swami Yogananda was sent a monthly financial statement of the receipts and disbursements of said seminary. Swami Dhirananda had no means of knowledge or knowledge of Swami Yogananda's financial condition or any checks other than the checks he (Swami Dhirananda) had drawn on Swami Yogananda's bank account and received knowledge thereof beginning on or about the first day of January, 1925 and up to and including on or about the 11th day of April, 1929. Swami Giri-Dhirananda did not receive any salary or any other financial considerations or monies except his room and board from on or about the first day of January, 1925, to on or about the 11th day of April, 1929. (Swami Giri-Dhirananda's, Philosophic Insight was published by himself in 1925 and paid for my his own devotees. Swami Giri-Dhirananda was not the disciple of Swami Yogananda.) All of the financial records of Swami Giri-Dhirananda were in the care of Judge James MacLachlin, who was also a past U.S. Congressional Senator from the Los Angeles area. Judge MacLachlin oversaw the running of Mt. Washington Educational Center in Los Angeles. The Contents of the aforesaid mentioned box was examined and all money charges made by Swami Yogananda against Swami Giri-Dhirananda were proven false and untrue. A Decree of Judgment in this 1935 lawsuit of Swami Giri-Dhirananda vs. Swami Yogananda was handed down on the 22nd of October, 1935 in favor of the Compliant, Swami Giri-Dhirananda for the collection of the Promissory Note of $8,000.00. Swami Yogananda did give Notice of Intention to move for a New Trial, but the Court denied the Motion on the 26th of November, 1935. Swami Yogananda made no effort to pay the Promissory Note after the Judgment was entered. By the time the Decree of Judgment was entered in the Court case, he was in India. There was a Writ of Execution for the Garnishment of Funds against Swami Yogananda's account at 1.) Security -First National Bank of Los Angeles, dated the 5th of December, 1935. There were no funds of Swami Yogananda in this bank, and 2.) Citizens National Trust & Savings Bank of Los Angeles, dated the 30th of November, 1935. This bank answered to the Writ of Execution for the Garnishment of Funds with $22.86 in Swami Yogananda's account. As far as real property, Swami Yogananda was not an American citizen and was in the United States on a British visa; therefore he could not hold title to the Mt. Washington seminary property even in 1925. There was always a stand-in person who held title to that property and this was one of the reasons, if not the main reason for Judge James MacLaughlin to oversee the Mt. Washington seminary. After Swami Dhirananda separated from Swami Yogananda, Judge James MacLachlin resigned from his post to oversee the Mt. Washington property. With the coming monies from James Lynn of Kansas City, Mo. in 1931, the Mt. Washington seminary property was put into the Non-profit religious organization holdings of Self Realization Fellowship, which was chartered in the State of California on March 29, 1935. Therefore, there could not be a lien against the Mt. Washington property as it was not Swami Yogananda's Yogoda Society anymore. The real property had changed hands. The Promissory Note of $8,000.00 was against Swami Yogananda. Swami Yogananda arrived in Bombay (Mumbai) around the end of August, 1935 and did not return to the United States until October, 1936. Swami Dhirananda was now Dr. Basu Kumar Bagchi, upon graduating from the University of Iowa with a Ph.D. At the time that Swami Yogananda came back into the country in NYC, Dr. Bagchi held an assistant researcher's position with Harvard University for one of the University's Research Projects. Satisfaction of Judgment was finally made on the 30th of October, 1936. The sum of $4200.00 was paid to clear the debt of Swami Yogananda's Promissory Note of $8,000.00. Swami Dhirananda, now Dr. Bagchi, received no monies after the lawyer fees were paid. Thus, ended the beginning years of Kriya in America. Edited by: maggie mcclintock at: 1/3/06 10:35 am
True Enuf Registered User (12/25/05 9:25 am) Reply	Re: On Dhirananda Thank you for these details. Many questions still remain. Hope you took my suggestion and read through Satyananda's bio of PY, found at yoganiketan.net; Satya, PY, Dhira, Tulsi Bose were all great friends. Satya describes how PY, on a voyage to Japan if I recall right, chatted with this couple about the underlying grand theme of religion and they urged him to write such a book. Dhira, better schooled than PY and well versed in English, obviously put it all together for him. Tulsi and Satya helped out in some way or another, judging from the acknowledgement in the book. Dhira obviously had no problem with or objection to getting second billing in "Science of Religion." Was there a written agreement to share profits? It sure seems that PY was the primary driver behind YSS etc... Now, when Dhira was asked to come over, was there any written contract that they were to be equals in determining direction of the organization, ownership matters etc... (assume from the beginning that the organization was non-profit, but were there side agreements on certain individual contributions, such as authorship of books?) Who has the original partnership documents, if any? What exactly was offered on both sides, pro and con, plus and minus, to bolster each sides' claims, to arrive at the negotiated settlement in 1929? BTW, "Philosophic Insight" was published by Sat Sanga/Mt Washington, same as "Science of Religion", "Scientific Healing Affirmations", Yogoda pamphlets etc... You mean Dhira had to pay Sat Sanga for publishing costs?
True Enuf Registered User (12/25/05 2:40 pm) Reply	Re: On Dhirananda Further to my post, I want to get at the real basis for Dhira's suit and claims. I do not know how Sat Sanga and the Mt Washington Educational Center were originally set up, as a for or non-profit entity. Would seem that at least ethically, the purpose would compel being a non-profit. Sure, PY, Dhira and whoever else lived there and helped out had to eat, be clothed, there were maintenance expenses, publishing costs, etc.. But beyond that, it would appear everything was plowed back into the work, which includes PY's travel expenses throughout the US (he was after all an attractive, magnetic speaker) Now one way, it seems there was a contract, because if there wasn't, the court would have immediately dismissed Dhira's charges. So, when a partnership is dissolved, its resolution looks at assets to be divided after liabilities are deducted. But for monastics, there can be no ethical claim of personal ownership, unless it's temporary, pending establishment of a non-profit. Furthermore, when it is stated "in payment of Swami Dhirananda's services as teacher, lecturer and writer for Yogoda", this implies payment for services rendered, such as for an employee, whereas in a partnership, services rendered does not come into play, but rather the pre-existing percentage of ownership determines the split-up accordingly. And since Dhira is a swami, and was fed, clothed and maintained by Yogoda funds donated through the years, I don't see how he (or PY) have any claim on assets unless there was a written contract drawn up at the outset of the venture and the entity was not yet a non-profit. Perhaps you can clear this up for me.
maggie mcclintock Registered User (1/3/06 10:26 am) Reply	Re: On Dhirananda 1. I have only read excerpts from Satyananda's bio. Give me time, I will read the entire book. Let me point out that the idea or as you so aptly put it...."the grand theme of religion"...... being bringing science and religion together...... was not a new idea at all in 1916. It was Annie Besant of The Theosophical Society that took up residence in India in 1895 and wrote an article called, Hinduism, A Scientific Religion and then around 1886 F. Max Muller editing his Sacred Books of the East used the term, "science of religion". And before these writers was an amazing medical doctor in England named, John Elliotson that wrote many articles between 1832 and 1848 about Mesmerism. He was a surgeon and through all of his investigations and practices he came to the conclusion that there was a place (a space) in the brain of man that did not feel pain. He worked with a hypnotist and a priest to put his patients into this "painless place/space" in the brain before performing surgery on his patients.The hypnotist and the priest, of course, remained in the room with the patient during the surgery. Their service was not for the faint of heart. The only other avenue to relieve pain in surgery in those years was to let the patient drink whiskey until they passed out.So it was that Dr. Elliotson was finally going to release his findings about this painless place/space in the brain with a book he had written that was to be published in India. It was in the same year, just within months of his book's release, that Chloroform was discovered. So his book never sold, and his discovery and research of this "place/space" in the brain was mothballed in medical history. HOWEVER, remarkably there is a medical Doctor (surgeon) in Belgium today (2005) that is performing surgery on his patients in the same way that Dr. Elliotson did. Of course, the patients voluntarily elect to this procedure before their surgery. I understand he performs surgery through mesmerism or through applying anesthesia. It is simply up to the patient as to which "painless" method they prefer. It is a fact that there are people who are dying of the direst ravages of disease, who experience no pain whatsoever. So where is this place/space in the brain and how do we get to it. Mahatma Gandhi knew. At the turn into the Twentienth Century in 1905 Einstein announced his discovery of E=mc2. With Einstein's theory of relativity, he proved up that All of Life is composed of Life-Light Energy Waves. It was by no chance of Destiny that "The Science of Religion" was a natural and intriguing topic of conversation on that long returning boat trip from Japan between young yogi Yoganandaji and that amiable couple. The idea of " the science of religion" was adroitly brought to Yoganandaji's attention. This idea had been germinating here and there in the minds of men for some 84 years or more. The time was ripe for the West to receive the Kriya Teachings of Swami Yogananda's and Swami Dhirananda's coming into America in 1920-22. It was time for the next step of a greater focus with a given Pathway to peak the interest in "The Science of Religion" .Now some 85 years later,we are at square one again in 2005 as we turn into the New Millineum with Darwin vs. Intelligent Design.. Interestingly, Swami Dhirananda wrote a timeless article called, "The Religion of Science", which will soon be published. 2. It was Swami Dhirananda's mother, who "dug down into her apron pockets" to pay for her irresistible, insistent son's implorings to formally publish his first book called, The Science of Religion for his boyhood friend, Swami Yogananda.to carry with him and speak from on his journey as a Delegate from India to the International Congress of Religious Liberals in Boston in1920. Swami Dhirananda's name is on the Title Page of this book as Publisher. The book was published in July, 1920. Dhiranandaji also wrote, Psychological Chart in 1921, and again his mom paid the publishing bill. Dhiranandaji's name is on the front soft cover of the book as Publisher, 1921, but Dhiranandaji put Yoganandaji's name on the book as author, and sent it to him to have and use in Boston also. 3. There is a saying in the marketplace that " you cannot sell from an empty sack"! Now there must be something to sell and also be a place to sell from. So you have the "driving force" of the Teachings (the writer) and the "driving force" of the Temple (the leader). You must have the Teachings and the Temple to make a religio/philosophical work go.But remember these young men were just in their twenties to take on this heroic task of spreading Kriyayoga in America. Yoganandaji was all of 27 years old when he came as a leader into America in 1920; Dhiranandaji was all of 27 years old when he came as the writer/Teacher into America in 1922. Yoganandaji's birth date is January 5, 1893; Dhiranandaji's birth date is January 7, 1895. There is exactly two days, two years difference between these young men. Think about this and try to understand them in the light of each one's God-given talent and life's mission. These young men were close friends and in those days "your word was your bond". There were verbal "gentleman's agreements" between the two concerning their talent and life's mission. Yogoda Sat-Sanga was not a non-profit organization. The "Promissory Note" in and of itself was the written document for proof of the debt. There is a biography in progress on Swami Dhirananda/akaDr. Basu Kumar Bagchi's life that will offer more particulars. 4. When it comes to the publishing and who paid for Philosophic Insight, if you have a First or Second Edition of this book, please turn to the Copyright page and at the bottom of this page you will read, "From the Press of Gem Publishing Company, Los Angeles" The original order of Philosophic Insight books was for 500 copies, made on September 10, 1925. Swami Dhirananda placed this order to Gem Publishing Company for production of his book under his authorship. The original quotation amount for the production of this book was $295.00, of which Swami Dhirananda made a Deposit of $140.00 on September 14, 1925. The final production costs for publishing this book, including binding costs, an extra 24 pages, and alteration costs came to a grand total of $469.20, with the balance due upon completion of the order. As I said before Swami Dhirananda's devotees donated monies to him to pay for the publication of his book. It would appear that since these two swamis, Yoganandaji and Dhiranandaji, were working together in the spread of Kriyayoga , Yogoda Sat-Sanga was a natural distribution center for the books. The books revenues helped pay the bills at the Yogoda seminary..
maggie mcclintock Registered User (1/3/06 10:41 am) Reply	Re: On Dhirananda For those of you who would like to read Swami Dhirananda's, "Salutations and Greetings", as well as, one of his Prayers and Healing Affirmations....... SALUTATIONS AND GREETINGS "In humbleness I reverently bow to Babaji, Sri Sri Shayama Charan Lahiry Mahashaya, the Great Masters, and to my Diksha-Guru, honored preceptor, Pujjapada Sri Sri Ashutosh Shastri Mahashaya, a disciple of Lahiri Mahashaya, And to Pujjapada Swami Sri Yukteswar Giriji Maharaj, also a disciple of Lahiry Mahahsaya, founder of the Satsanga movement in India and a revered teacher of mine. My salutations to all Messengers of Light. My loving greetings to my friends whom I know and all those who in essence are already myself and everybody, living in America and every part of the world." S.D. PRAYER O The Eternal Ever-living One, this moment the breath of thy Presence is filling our body and mind, May we realize that we are born immortal, we are born eternal. May we sense that Thy hand is not present only in special revelation, Thy hand is present in everything, in every part of the Universe. This prayer of ours is a realization of our intimate though unnoticed and unrealized communion with Thee, that Thou art everywhere. The whole Universe is moving on to Thy music that is eternal, according to Thy laws that are immanent and we are joining right now in the Spirit of the Presence that is pulsating through every part of the Universe. All our thoughts are gone except the thought that Thou art One, our feelings are vanished except the feeling of Thy loving touch within. All our volitions are gone except the movement of Thy spirit surging within our heart. Come this moment, purifying us, strengthening us, broadening our vision, and making us conscious that we are not thrown on this cold reality of the world, but we are within Thy sight and obeying Thy providence and cooperating, though not knowing, with Thy law. Come this moment and be with us. O Our Own, Aum. Aum. Aum. Amen. S.D. HEALING AFFIRMATION I AM SOUL --- I AM POWER I AM HEALTH --- I AM POWER I AM ENERGY --- I AM POWER BEYOND SICKNESS --- I AM POWER BEYOND DISEASE --- I AM STRENGTH I AM IN GOD --- GOD IS IN ME BY HIS POWER --- I AM HEALED S.D.
True Enuf Registered User (1/3/06 12:09 pm) Reply	Re: On Dhirananda Thank you for all that information. Any rough idea yet when Dhirananda's biography will come out?
maggie mcclintock Registered User (1/11/06 10:38 am) Reply	Re: On Dhirananda Hi, The book is still in progress. I have no idea when it will be pulbished. Thanks for asking.

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