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anon Unregistered User (3/6/02 5:53 pm) Reply	Yogananda's extensive changes to Kriya Are most readers aware of the extensive changes made to Kriya Yoga by Yogananda?
huh Unregistered User (3/6/02 5:59 pm) Reply	Do tell No. Please enlighten us.....
willy1080 Registered User (3/6/02 9:20 pm) Reply	Re: Yogananda's extensive changes to Kriya It seems there isno kechari , but beyond that ,some say , it doesn't seem to be much different . Also Yogananda introduced the devotional aspect in kriya which compensates for those changes he made in kriya .
In Recovery Unregistered User (3/6/02 9:49 pm) Reply	Kriya Changes I read in one of the old ashram colony bulletins that Master got permission from Babaji to make a change in the Kriya not long before he passed away. I believe the changes were made to simplify the technique for mass dissemination through written lessons, and that students were becoming too confused with the technique as taught up till then. That's why in the Autobiography the technique is described as a taking a circular rotation around the spine instead of straight up and down, as we've been taught. This brings up an important question for us as Kriyabans. If we're not getting results from the technique as taught to us, are we able to give ourselves permission to experiment with variations that might work better?
username Registered User (3/7/02 3:28 am) Reply	lots of changes The most basic change is that SRF breathes out of the mouth. This is a not correct. A yogi should never breath with an open mouth. The breath should be through the nose. SRF does not include navi kriya. SRF does not include kechari mudra. Most other kriya paths have the first kriya paying attention to the chakras (which you do not get until second kriya in SRF) It appears that SRF is mispronoucing the mantra used in their 3rd and 4th kriyas. And since it is the vibration of the sounds that produce the result, this is a major problem. There are more kriya initiations on the other traditional paths. (more than four) and if the SRF first and second equals the first on the other paths, then SRF is missing a lot of initiations. Maybe Yogananda did not receive all the initiations. His guru was not the most advanced of Lahiri's diciples, so maybe even he did not have all the kriyas. Does anyone know if Yogananda could do kechari? Any picture of him doing it? How about Lynn? How about Daya Mata? To: In Recovery How did Yogananda get permission from Babaji? In writting? In a vision? Do you have the kriya technique where it is a circular rotation around the spine?
truth Unregistered User (3/7/02 6:27 am) Reply	PY and kechari Norman Paulsen in his book "Christ Consciousness" tells us that PY came to him, because he was doing Kechari. After checking the "swallowing of the tongue" of Norman he allowed Norman to continue in his practice. There is also a very hidden reference to Kechari in the lessons regarding the higher initiations. If you look for it explicitly you will find it otherwise you just read over it.
wat 2 do Unregistered User (3/7/02 9:33 am) Reply	SRF's Kriya -- Bottom Line So let's cut to the chase: Are we then wasting our time practicing SRF's "non-legitimate" Kriya? What's the bottom line? Will we get NO results? REDUCED results? DANGEROUS results? Are we getting just one month of evolution per Kriya instead of one year? One week? One day? How can one measure? Kriya is supposed to be "scientific" no? If so, we should be able to measure progress scientifically. But how? And none of the other "legitimate" Kriya teachers seems to be giving out the genuine thing either. Shibendu, Hariharananda, Govindan Marshall, and a long list of others all seem to have modified Kriya one way or another. Looks like the only way you can be sure you're getting the real thing is if you get it directly from Babaji. And he doesn't seem to be making housecalls anymore.....
username Registered User (3/7/02 11:30 am) Reply	kriya changes To: kriyabyasin Ned Waller is not behind this thread, if that what your references are trying to say To: wat 2 do Govindan Marshall is not even part of the Lahiri kriya path, so your mention of him is inappropriate. Shibendu's first kriya is correct. It is the about the same as about 6 other kriya masters. People have already checked around. Shibendu's never got second kriya from his father so the second he gives out is made up. Shibendu was "having problems with women" even as a teenager. There are some other students of Shibendu's father who are giving out kriya (but they are in India) Hariharianda's first kriya is a waste of money. To get close to correct kriyas, we should start tracing kriya teachers to Lahiri. There are several around that are giving out correct kriyas, so anybody want to start a thread starting with Lahiri and linking his students to current teachers with names, phone numbers, addresses etc. And we need to compare techniques. Cause it is buyer beware out there in the "kriya marketplace" I don't think SRF kriya is dangerous. But how much money would you pay for diluted milk? So, if you are giving SRF money because you think they are giving you secret techniques that can make you enlightened in one lifetime, you are deceiving yourself. How many enlightened SRF members do you know?
onlylove Unregistered User (3/7/02 11:48 am) Reply	lots of changes *Quote:* It appears that SRF is mispronoucing the mantra used in their 3rd and 4th kriyas. According to whom? These mantras are pronounced differently in different parts of India, depending on the accent. If there is only 'one right way', then you might want to check out the born again christian movement instead. *Quote:* His guru was not the most advanced of Lahiri's diciples, so maybe even he did not have all the kriyas. Even if true, does it really matter? If Yogananda is a Master, and one's guru, they follow him. Lahiri had many disciples, and many branches. You could write books on the variations that Kriya has taken through those branches. Is there only 'one right way', out of all of them? Is there now a 'born again kriya' fundamentalist movement that we don't know about? Be suspicious, be very suspicious, of anyone who claims they have the 'one and only true path' of kriya, or to enlightenment, or to God. Very suspicious. *Quote:* Does anyone know if Yogananda could do kechari? Yogananda taught kechari to people. According to at least one disciple, Yogananda did kechari. If you want 'proof', like a photograph, you might be in trouble. Unless it was an x-ray. And I don't know if the technology was good enough in 1952 to show the tongue inside the nasal passage. *Quote:* How did Yogananda get permission from Babaji? In writting? In a vision? Babaji visited Yogananda before Yogananda came to America. One could assume that Babaji gave him instructions at that time. But there could easily have been many other times. If that's not good enough for you, then you are probably not a disciple of Yogananda. Fine. Follow your own kriya path. For those of us who are disciples of Yogananda, our Guru's word is enough. If you want navi kriya, kechari mudra, and the first kriya w/attention to the chakras, you can get all of these through Ananda. They teach Kriya that way, as did Yogananda. Strangely enough, I've met people from at least four different kriya paths (SRF, Ananda, one 'direct from Babaji' kriya, and one other) who all showed exceptional results. Not all of them did kechari, or navi, or breathed through the nose, or pronounced the mantras the same way. They all learned kriya slightly differently, but did have the following things in common: -they practiced kriya as their guru taught it -they all had a devotional attitude toward their practice -they were regular and consistent with their practice This has been proof enough for me that there is more than one 'absolute only right way' to practice kriya, or pronounce the mantras, or breathe, or find God.
wat 2 do Unregistered User (3/7/02 1:15 pm) Reply	username *Quote:* Govindan Marshall is not even part of the Lahiri kriya path, so your mention of him is inappropriate. Wrong, on two counts. 1) Govindan got his start in SRF. SRF is very much a part of "the Lahiri kriya path". I have his book _Babaji_ in front of me. 2) One should say BABAJI'S Kriya path, not Lahiri's Kriya path. Babaji is the founder of this path, not Lahiri.
onlylove Unregistered User (3/7/02 1:47 pm) Reply	kriya paths *Quote:* 1) Govindan got his start in SRF. SRF is very much a part of "the Lahiri kriya path". I have his book _Babaji_ in front of me. 2) One should say BABAJI'S Kriya path, not Lahiri's Kriya path. Babaji is the founder of this path, not Lahiri. I think we can count on Babaji having many sheep that we know not of, and many disciples and lineages that are not part of the 'SRF' path, or even the Lahiri line. When you read in the Autobiography of a Yogi about Babaji's role on earth, it's laughable when people try and limit him to only one path, or even only one brand of kriya.
Hello Unregistered User (3/7/02 2:05 pm) Reply	"onlylove" Well hello onlylove/devotee1, Haven't seen you in a long time, since your alt.yogananda days. I see you're just as aggressive and argumentative on the walrus board as you were over there. It's funny that you would go by the handle "onlylove". There's so little of it in your messages!
username Registered User (3/7/02 4:19 pm) Reply	to: onlylove sorry to upset you.
username Registered User (3/7/02 4:33 pm) Reply	re: govidan marshall I have taken the first and second initiations from "Babaji's kirya yoga" - The kriya yoga they teach is not that of the Lahiri line. I also heard about the third/final initiation there and hey, its not of the Lahiri line either. This path is something different entirely. I don't have my kriya notes/information handy on this path, but Govidan marshall's guru was a man with a name something like Ramiah (This is not the name but I believe it begins with a R) This fellow, was in Arizona? Maybe California before this? If you call any one of the people currently teaching Govidan Marshall's babaji kriya yoga , they will confirm this information for you. Babaji means beloved father. So baba is a common word. There was a babaji still alive in the mountains and lots of people were going to see him. Several of his devotees believed he was "yogananda's babaji" but SRF denied this. He died a few years ago. One of his devotees has some really lovely bhagan tapes that are available for sale. People believe a lot of strange things. I've met Yogananda devotees that believe Amachi is the reincarnation of Yogananda, of course SRF denies this also. And by the way, if you want to meet a lot of SRF devotees, any Amachi function brings them out. Outside of the SRF convocation, you will never see so many SRF bangles in one place. SRF even has their spies go check it out.
username Registered User (3/7/02 4:42 pm) Reply	Ammachi Amma means mother. There are lots of people around being called amma and ammachi. So, if anyone is interested here is a link to the website of the Ammachi I was referring to www.ammachi.org/
wat 2 do Unregistered User (3/7/02 4:43 pm) Reply	username I don't understand what's your obsession Govindan. I just mentioned him as a teacher of Kriya, I never claimed he was part of Lahiri's line, and I didn't ask for a lecture. What's your obsession with Lahiri's line? Not everyone teaching Kriya belongs to Lahiri's line. I told you all of this in my previous posting. Don't you read what people write to you? Yes, I know who Govindan's guru is, I have his books. I know all about the many "Babaji's" and I know Baba is a common appellation in India meaning father. As far as Ammachi goes, it doesn't surprise me that a lot of SRF people flock to her. A lot of SRFers follow(ed) Sai Baba too. They're bliss bunnies, hopping from guru to guru, staying with whoever is hot at the moment.
Ringbearer Unregistered User (3/7/02 5:11 pm) Reply	Changes... "The most basic change is that SRF breathes out of the mouth. This is a not correct. A yogi should never breath with an open mouth. The breath should be through the nose." I do recall reading old yoga texts (Hatha yoga pradapika, etc) which discuss the practice of pranayam were the breath is moving through the mouth. One involves sticking the tounge out slightly and inhaling through the mouth, the other involves putting the teeth together and inhaling through the mouth. Both involve inhaling cool air through the mouth. I'm sure there are other examples. As far as breathing through the mouth during Kriya, I believe this is the way it is done before Khechari is achieved in other lines too. After Khechari one needs to adjust the breathing because it is not possible to breath through the mouth while performing Khechari. In any case, this way of breathing is the way that Kriya has been taught in the West from the very early years. "Does anyone know if Yogananda could do kechari? Any picture of him doing it? How about Lynn? How about Daya Mata?" According to what I remember of reading one of Satyeswarananda's books, he claims that Yoganandaji achieved Khechari while under the direction of Swami Kebelananda (before he went to Sri Yukteswar for training.) According to Satyeswarananda's book Yogananda started practicing Khechari at a very young age (too young in his opinion.)
AumBoy Registered User (3/7/02 9:17 pm) Reply ezSupporter	To Hello Would you please point out by example where onlylove's posts were argumentative and aggressive? I don't see it.
premdas Registered User (3/7/02 9:28 pm) Reply	Re: To Hello? Again Same for me; show me where onlylove is aggressive and argumentive. I find the postings clear and factual. I appreciate the insights, honesty, lack of innuendo and concerns for Master's work.
willy1080 Registered User (3/7/02 10:23 pm) Reply	To USERNAME To get close to correct kriyas, we should start tracing kriya teachers to Lahiri. There are several around that are giving out correct kriyas, so anybody want to start a thread starting with Lahiri and linking his students to current teachers with names, phone numbers, addresses etc. And we need to compare techniques. Cause it is buyer beware out there in the "kriya marketplace" This is an EXTREMELY GOOD IDEA . maybe you could start a separate section regarding traditional kriya , or if the discussion is not apt for this board , we could move it elsewhere to a separate message board. What we need is no holds barred discussion on different kriya lines , their plus and minuses. dear username , please try and work on this idea
VALE Unregistered User (3/8/02 8:51 am) Reply	USERNAME-KRIYA CHANGES SRF KRIYA is not diluite milk,but pure AMRITA.I know,for I practice.SRF FIRST KRIYA INITIATION IS ABSOLUTELY FREE(You make a donation in a closed envelop and nobody knows if you put there a cent or a thousand dollars,or nothing).SRF 2�-3�-4� TECNIQUES costs only a few dollars to pay the mailing and the printing.SO BE CAREFULL WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THINGS YOU DON'T KNOW;UNLESS YOU WERE CONSCIOUSLY TRYING TO PUT MUD ON SRF(and I propend for the second ).SRF HAS SPIRITUALLY ILLUMINED DEVOTEES ,or at least they have more chanses to become liberated in a lifetime ,much more than you have!!!!!!!A little intelligence must be used even in a board where intelligence is not required.Here it is enough to be able to lie .On the other hand,I think this is the real meaning why this board has been created;to create confusion.PLEASE,WALRUS,DON'T DELETE THIS POSTING-Thank you(I promised I'd no more partecipate to this board,but one cannot let such lies to pass )

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