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chela2020
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(6/30/03 9:01 am)
Reply 		Re: Enlightenment pigeonholed
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Edited by: chela2020 at: 7/1/03 3:51 pm
chela2020
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(6/30/03 10:03 am)
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Edited by: chela2020 at: 7/1/03 3:52 pm
chela2020
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(6/30/03 10:08 am)
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This sweet thread has been turned into a zen koan.

dawnrays
Registered User
(6/30/03 10:31 am)
Reply 		Re: Enlightenment pigeonholed
2020

You are right. "A watched pot never boils". It's very necessary to get away from "spiritual matters" now and then and hopefully long before they become a narrow minded bore.

Meditation/ action is very good. This would of course involve conversation, fun and work. It is a real danger (as we have seen with the srf monks, nuns and even many members) to try to make a total lifestyle out of your guru-disciple relationship. It is pathetically flat, boring and strained because of the emotionalism flowing towards the "realized" herarchy system.

I like the sca (society for creative anacronism) because even though we play kings, Queens, barons, baronesses, knights, wenches and peasants, we know we are all equal. It's just a game, and chivalry (as in manners and friendliness) is the order of the day.

dawnrays

chela2020
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(6/30/03 12:20 pm)
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Edited by: chela2020 at: 7/1/03 3:52 pm
dawnrays
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(6/30/03 1:30 pm)
Reply 		Re: Enlightenment pigeonholed
2020

Yes, of course everything is spiritual! Most people (particularly on the spiritual path) are extremely fascinating (as we are seeing here on this board).

If there's one crime I consider srf guilty of beyond a doubt, it's to convince people of thier own lack of realization/awareness. It has occurred to me before, that they are perhaps projecting thier own flatness and dullness on us.

As I hope you can see from this board (as I have) there is a very good amount of realization and awareness here. Most of us simply want company. You see how things get off the subject and out of totally traditional "spirtual talk?" Also, like you, many just want to move on from this constant hammering of the guru/disciple relationship and have normal conversation, fun, fulfilling activities and hobbies, relationships, true love, etc.... Afterall, once you're there or even close to there, or even getting there, or back there as in remembering (the awareness of yourself as God) what else is there to say or do about it? A human support system is very important. For me personally also, my non-humans as in my pets and plants are very important.

I got so bored with srf I just went off and started doing my own stuff as in hobbies and interests. I have also found such wonderful new friends on this board as dave, stermajoe and etzchaim. I want you to know etzchaim is an extremely fascinating person who is a converted jew and a yogi, not in srf though. She is very knowledgeable and has a very healthy perspective on kriya.

I get alot of help from just talking. I have gotten alot of information (very helpful to me) and even a website off this board.

Our love and the company of each other is the greatest resource for spiritual development and happiness that srf is withholding. It makes (for me) the speculation on Yoganada's (gasp!) imperfections, laughable in comparison.

dawnrays

Edited by: dawnrays at: 7/1/03 4:47 pm
chela2020
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(6/30/03 3:14 pm)
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Edited by: chela2020 at: 7/1/03 3:53 pm
dawnrays
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(6/30/03 3:45 pm)
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2020,

Oh yes, I know what you are talking about and that's exactly what I'm talking about (see, I just validated you!)

They really accentuate your sense of separateness and isolation (not uniqueness) by doing this. It is the short and surest way to mental and emotional (and eventually physical) ill health no matter how aware you are.

There is definitely some weird notion in srf that very aware, sensitive and spiritual people somehow do not need to be assimulated into society (as in friends, etc.) I swear I think we need it more.

dawnrays

chela2020
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(6/30/03 4:14 pm)
Reply 		Re: Enlightenment pigeonholed
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Edited by: chela2020 at: 7/1/03 3:54 pm
dawnrays
Registered User
(6/30/03 8:05 pm)
Reply 		Re: Enlightenment pigeonholed
2020

I hear you. I have heard the same exact story (or read it) so many times as well as experienced it myself. There's nothing you can do about it. You can hang out on the fringe (which is more interesting, anyway) but you get sick of that. At the fringe level, everybody hasn't given up all of their lives and interests in favor of "serving". The hard core members are almost as boring as the renunciants. Anyway, this behavior is trickling down straight from the top.

I was also afraid at one point that it was starting to affect and deteriorate my actions with people outside of srf. I found myself avoiding people, depressed, etc. I realized if I didn't leave I would no longer be able to function normally anywhere. My husband and kids were also fighting, unhappy, etc.

Things have really smoothed out for me. I feel like a have a hundred pounds off my back. Like I said before, I am so glad you found happiness in the vedanta society, also.

dawnrays

Edited by: dawnrays at: 6/30/03 8:12 pm
chela2020
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(7/1/03 4:57 am)
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Edited by: chela2020 at: 7/1/03 3:54 pm
etzchaim
Registered User
(7/1/03 11:25 am)
Reply 		Re: Enlightenment pigeonholed
I've been reading this whole discussion about friendship and it seems to me that that is the whole essence of satsang.

The idea that this 'gathering of spiritual friends' has to happen in a formal SRF chapel, at a certain time, with certain types of behavior, in a state of "aloneness" - whatever that means!!!! - seems like someone's been trying to figure out what all this 'yoga stuff' is all about with their head in the sand.

Right now, when we share our feelings and ideas with each other over the internet, discussing what 'enlightenment' is, and help each other over some of the programming that has happened to us so we can connect to our Selves better and find our meditation enjoyable again, we are engaging in Satsang.

Etz

ranger20
Registered User
(7/1/03 3:58 pm)
Reply 		Re: Enlightenment pigeonholed
A lot of the stories I've heard about PY and his interaction with individual(s) show him responding to those people exactly where they were, in their particular circumstances.

I've assumed that some of the phrases that are quoted like "be alone more" may be lifting things he said in certain circumstances, and taking them out of context.

As someone pointed out elsewhere, "Friendship" is the subject of one of the earliest lessons, not "keep to yourself!"

Perhaps because I haven't heard it preached, I still find it hard to believe they can be telling SRF people not to mingle with each other. I always figured it meant don't hang out at the mall too much.

Similarily, I assumed that a good deal of our center congregation's aloofness had to do with shyness and a general social ineptness, (traits I know I have to make an effort to overcome). The stories I'm hearing here, about people at the temples acting as if being distant was some kind of virtue, are just wierd!

But speaking of wierd, it is with some curiousity as well as anxiety, that I'm looking forward to hearing the tone set at this year's Convocation. I'd love to hear of an effort at inclusion, a new kindness and tolerance for every member of out "spiritual family." I'm pretty certain that is how Master would behave. What I'm afraid I expect to hear is an increase in paranoid wagon circling, and "no salvation outside the Church."

Hmmmm. We shall see.

soulcircle
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(7/1/03 4:46 pm)
Reply 		please stop chela2020 thank you
chela2020

please stop

soulcircle

chela2020
Registered User
(7/1/03 6:00 pm)
Reply 		Re: please stop chela2020 thank you
it is the silence between the notes that makes the music.

chela2020
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(7/2/03 6:04 am)
Reply 		Re: please stop chela2020 thank you
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Edited by: chela2020 at: 7/19/03 3:25 pm
etzchaim
Registered User
(7/2/03 12:14 pm)
Reply 		Re: please stop chela2020 thank you
Chela2020, because a person smiles and irritates someone who does not want to see people smiling, is not a good reason to not smile.

However, by deleting all of your posts, you have effectively left Walrus anyway and caused those who do not want you to delete your posts to be irritated! You should go where you feel best. I wish you peace.

Etz

etzchaim
Registered User
(9/9/03 1:59 pm)
Reply 		Re: please stop chela2020 thank you
I sure did rub you the wrong way, 'child of brahman' !!!!!!!

Crazy is as crazy does! I think you need to let it go!

dawnrays
Registered User
(9/9/03 8:49 pm)
Reply 		Thanks Walrus (don't forget this one)
EOM

Edited by: dawnrays at: 9/9/03 9:44 pm
OneTaste
Registered User
(9/10/03 3:17 pm)
Reply 		Forever just ain't what it used to be
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>>Crazy is as crazy does! I think you need to let it go!

We never do that. When we're at you, we will be at you forever.


Or at least until later in the day when you get wiped off the board. Geez, was that a record or something?

Well, it was interesting while it lasted, but I guess I'm the only one who's gonna miss His Childishness of Brahma. I was looking forward to his disciple, the long lost Swami Prem to come along and join in with him for their own special brand of tag team pathology. A little dementia certainly does provide some entertainment on this if not dead, then certainly dying board. Ah, well. Probably a sign to move on for good.

Edited by: OneTaste at: 9/10/03 3:20 pm
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