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Sydfrukter
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(9/14/05 10:15 am)
Reply 		Baal (Lord, Master) and Jesus (Lord, Master):common features
The Great Baal was of Canaan.
Jesus was born in that area too.

> Baal was the son of El (also: Corn, Dagon), the high god of Canaan.
Jesus called "Eli, Eli" etc. hanging on the cross, and not Ywhw! Yhwh, which is the name God of Moses would be named by thereafter.

The name Eli: The Hebrews seem to have incorporated Canaanite gods or god-concepts, or both, to the extent that they named God El (Eli). So, many persons and angels relate to that name. Gabri-el is one, Mika-el another, and Elisha does too, just to name a few examples.
> "A custom common among Semites should be noticed here. Moved, most likely, by the desire to secure the protection of the local Baal for their children, the Semites always showed a preference for names compounded with that of the deity; those of Hasdrubal (`Azrû Bá`ál), Hannibal (Hanni Bá`ál), Baltasar, or Belshazzar (Bel-sar-Ushshur), have become famous in history." - Catholic Encyclopedia, s.v. "Baal"

Eli, alias Corn and Dagon, was the father of Baal. Dagon is a man above the waist, fish below the waists. Such are mermen.
Jesus was a fish among early Christians - his symbol was that of a fish.

The cult of Baal celebrated annually his death and resurrection as a part of the Canaanite fertility rituals.
They involved temple prostitution.
Jesus rose from the dead too.

By the way, Solomon married a thousand wives and concubines in touch with fertility rites, some hold.
Baal and his cohort Ashtoreth, or Astarte, (cf. the Greek goddess Aphrodite), were both Phoenician fertility symbols.
In the Bible Baal is also called Beelzebub, or Baalzebub.

A parallel of the magical Baal rites can be found in Psalms, where "they that sow in tears shall reap in joy. He that go forth and weepeth, bearing precious seed, shall doubtless come again with rejoicing, bearing sheaves with him."

Baal was, further, a god "that rides on the clouds".
The resurrected Jesus is also thought to come "on the clouds", whatever that is supposed to mean.

The religion of the god Baal was widely accepted among the ancient Jews, and although it was put down at times, it was never permanently stamped out. Kings and other royalty of the ten Biblical tribes worshiped the god.

- Baal info from www.pantheon.org/articles/b/baal.html

The Catholic Encyclopedia tells further of Baal:

> ""We read of a ram, "baal" of two horns (Dan, viii, 6, 20)". Jesus is the sacrifical lamb, a sheep - but also the shepherd of sheep. Gospels and the Revelation speak of the mystical lamb.

Not all the Baals (genius locis) of places were necessarily identical. "Not were the Baals -- of different tribes, places, sanctuaries -- necessarily conceived as identical"

> "According to W.R. Smith, the Baal is a local God who, by fertilizing his own district through springs and streams".
Good authorities, nevertheless, oppose this view, and reversing the above argument, hold that the Baal is the genius-lord of the place and of all the elements that cause its fecundity; it is he who gives "bread, water, wool, flax, oil, and drink" (Os, ii, 5; in the Hebr. text 7);
Jesus talks of rivers of life flowing or welling - associated with himself. He also talks of himself as bread from heaven, and that the eucharist drink is his blood, too.

> "lay worshippers also prayed, kneeling, and paid their homage by kissing the images or symbols of the Baal (III Kings, xix, 18; Os., xiii, 2, Hebr."
Church worship of Jesus is seldom much different.

> "The author of IV Kings could sum up this sad history in the following few words: They forsook all the precepts of the Lord their God: and made to themselves two molten calves, and groves [asherah], and adored all the host of heaven : and they served Baal."
Jesus and followers dropped some of the Ten Commandments, and early Christians soon took to images -

It was invading Babylonians that got rid of Baal worship among Jews.¨

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These were some streaks Jesus and Baal share. You are given another parallel along with Horus

Paramadas
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(9/14/05 12:44 pm)
Reply 		Baal is short for Baalzebub, "Lord of the Flies" (
The info presented by Sydfructer is the first evidence I have seen of anything remotely positive being said about Baal. His description suggests that the cult of Baal was an earth-god fertility cult, an early precursor to the Wiccans of today. I've met some of these Wiccans, and they are some of the sweetest, most gentle people I've known. This stands of course in stark contrast to the fear-mongering Catholics and born-again types who try to depict earth-centered religionists as dangerous Satanists. So, Syd, thanks for the info. I have no clue whether the Baal faith is good/bad or indifferent, but it's interesting to hear that maybe the whole Baalzebub connection is just plain wrong.

Sydfrukter
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(9/15/05 7:51 am)
Reply 		Re: Baal is short for Baalzebub, "Lord of the Flies&
Hi Param,

Thanks for the comments. It shows up now and then that "history is the version of the victors". Not always, but -

On another thread Germans don't seem so very popular either, the losing side. If Germany had won the last world war, the English and the rest would hardly have managed to hang so big and bad labels on everything *German*, the language, the Sauerkraut and lots more. There is a distinct difference between German and Nazi, they seem to forget (I am not German, I just notice it).

Interestingly, there are about 42 million German Americans around. they are the largest US "ancestry group", beating the Irish and all the others that way -
www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762137.html

When it comes to Baal and Jesus, Jewish prophets held that worship of Baal was sacrilegious, and Jewish leaders held that Jesus was blaspheming God, was insane and possessed - so they meted out death for him.

My point: both were discredited by opposing parties. Baal folks might have disparaged the gods of others a lot for what I know. As for Jesus, Christian writings survived and molded attitudes and opinions to such as Pharisees (meaning hypocrites through talks by Jesus about them).

As for people from India, the Roman Pliny the Elder wrote much about them in his Natural History - and now we can relax, for these peoples were not enemies, they were hardly in contact either.

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At the very extremity of India, on the eastern side, near the source of the river Ganges, there is the nation of the Astomi, a people who have no mouths; their bodies are rough and hairy, and they cover themselves with a down plucked from the leaves of trees. These people subsist only by breathing and by the odours which they inhale through the nostrils. They support themselves upon neither meat nor drink; when they go upon a long journey they only carry with them various odoriferous roots and flowers, and wild apples, that they may not be without something to smell at. But an odour, which is a little more powerful than usual, easily destroys them.

- From Pliny the Elder, The Natural History, Book 7, chap. 2. (eds. John Bostock, M.D., F.R.S., H.T. Riley, Esq., B.A.))
Online:
www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi...67;loc=7.1

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LIVING ON AIR - These are powerful tales - but the versions did not survive too well. By the way, a kriya yogi was taught how to live on air, he too, and went about it for some time till Rajasi Jananananda called him on the phone and asked him to stop it and go back to eating food too.

He shared the method with me also.

Greetings,

Edited by: Sydfrukter at: 9/15/05 7:58 am
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