Why SRF weighs less on me now

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chela2020 Registered User (6/25/03 1:40 pm) Reply	Re: Enlightenment pigeonholed (This message was left blank) Edited by: chela2020 at: 6/30/03 10:18 am
Notice the Noticer Registered User (6/25/03 1:56 pm) Reply	Re: Enlightenment pigeonholed [Her original, pre-reconstruction reply was simply "I can."] "I can" ? -- I didn't realize you'd sat with any of them. Well, for anyone who's NOT familiar with them, let me give a few examples of the type of things that are said in Advaitist Satsang. These are typical statements, not rare gems. Compare them to "Swami so-and-so is being transferred to such-and-such a place": Catherine Ingram: "The unknown force animating us, present in all that is blooming and fading, is our deepest felt sense, and, strangely, the feeling we most often overlook. Like breathing, this aliveness—this passionate presence—is taken for granted, and we pay attention instead to an endless stream of thoughts." Adima: "Nothing you have ever done or not done can provoke or prevent the truth, the beauty, the perfection of who you are." Eckhart Tolle: "The word enlightenment conjures up the idea of some superhuman accomplishment, and the ego likes to keep it that way, but it is simply your natural state of felt oneness with Being. It is a state of connectedness with something immeasurable and indestructible, something that, almost paradoxically, is essentially you and yet is much greater than you. It is finding your true nature beyond name and form. The inability to feel this connectedness gives rise to the illusion of separation, from yourself and from the world around you. You then perceive yourself, consciously or unconsciously, as an isolated fragment." Eli Jaxon-Bear: "When you realize yourself as completely empty and devoid of all form...this is wisdom, When you realize yourself as the fullness of Love overflowing itself without object...this is bliss, And when you are aware of yourself incarnate in the appearance of form...this is leela." Gangaji: "There is a great secret that beings throughout time have announced, the secret of an extraordinary treasure, the treasure of the nectar of eternal life. It is the nectar of pure beingness, recognizing itself as consciousness and overflowing in the love of that recognition. If you imagine yourself to be located in a body, then you will move that body from place to place, searching for this treasure of nectar. But, if you will stop all searching right now and tell the truth to yourself, you will know what is known in the core of your bones. You will know what these great beings knew and attempted to describe. You will know it with no image of it, no concept of it, no thought of it. You will know it as that which has eternally been here. And you will know it as yourself. What if you do not understand anything while you sit here today? In fact, I invite you to not understand anything: mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually, or intellectually. It does not mean to zone out or go to sleep. It means to be absolutely present while not understanding. This is what is missed when the mind gets active in trying to put things together, to make sense of it." Wayne Liquorman: "I had been a drunk much of my life, and now I was with all of these veteran seekers around Ramesh [Balsekar]. While I had been on a barstool, they had been in ashrams in India or attending spiritual retreats. They knew all the buzzwords Ramesh was using: noumenon, phenomenon, Consciousness-at-rest; they even knew how to spell Nisargadatta. They knew what siddhis were and what all this other Hindu stuff was. I hadn't heard of any of it. I said to Ramesh, "I really feel like a child being with these people. All these people have this knowledge that I don't have. He said, "Do you know what sadhana is?" I said, "No." And he said, "Sadhana is the path, the notional path that a seeker goes along, which has various practices associated with it that are said to break down identification with the ego. Your sadhana, the sadhana of the body-mind organism of Wayne, was to drink and use drugs for nineteen years. That's what was required for that body-mind organism to get to a point where the ego-identification could be broken sufficiently, that is its hold on the sense of personal doership could be broken sufficiently to begin this seeking." David Waldman: "The grace of clear vision is seeing through the projections.... through patterns, seeing that everything is Self. That which looks like an obstacle only does so because of conditioning and one cannot free oneself from conditioning without meeting the conditions which seem to be binding. So then one sees that there is nothing to change, nothing to get rid of, nothing to improve upon, nothing to free oneself from. When all is welcomed, then all is opened into. Then everything deepens freedom and opens the heart more fully." John Sherman: "We are not here for bliss. Bliss is great but it comes and goes. The bliss that you are is permanent. The bliss that you are is That in which bliss and agony alike play. It is all in your intention, you see. It is all in what you want. If you want bliss, the experience of bliss, that's easy. There are many, many gurus wandering the land with big shakti who will give you that. And if you can't find one of those, there is always some chemical substance. Bliss is not what you are looking for." Poonjaji: "You Are the unchanging Awareness in which all activities take place. To deny this is to suffer, to know this is Freedom." Edited by: Notice the Noticer at: 6/28/03 9:21 am
chela2020 Registered User (6/25/03 2:34 pm) Reply	Re: Enlightenment pigeonholed (This message was left blank) Edited by: chela2020 at: 6/28/03 1:56 pm
Notice the Noticer Registered User (6/25/03 3:28 pm) Reply	Re: Enlightenment pigeonholed Ya know, 20 -- it's like we're on parallel planes. You keep responding to things I DIDN'T say. [Later: I see you've "reconstructed" your comments so as to be almost completely different from before. This causes the thread to become even more convoluted than it was in the first place -- and it was frustrating THEN.] Here's just one example of many. In my inbox was a note from you warning me that Vedantans might find this board if they use a search engine, and that I might therefore want to delete my posts. You said "I just noticed that you were hestitant to say anything about Vedanta that would get you noticed." Now, where did I EVER say that??? What I SAID was, I don't want to NAME the convent I was in so as not to implicate the nuns there who were nice. [And don't worry, they already know how I feel! Many of the nuns understood or even agreed with the points I've brought up here.] How 'bout we bring this thread to a conclusion? [and again, now THIS is interpreted to be "wham!" ... ? What about your response, now "reconstructed," which was, "I agree, this thread is pretty worn out?" I sense a tendency toward congitive convolution here!.] Edited by: Notice the Noticer at: 6/29/03 10:15 am
chela2020 Registered User (6/25/03 3:54 pm) Reply	Re: Enlightenment pigeonholed (This message was left blank) Edited by: chela2020 at: 6/30/03 10:19 am
Notice the Noticer Registered User (6/25/03 5:09 pm) Reply	Re: Enlightenment pigeonholed Case in point: that is not what I said! Edited by: Notice the Noticer at: 6/29/03 10:17 am
chela2020 Registered User (6/25/03 5:30 pm) Reply	Re: Enlightenment pigeonholed (This message was left blank) Edited by: chela2020 at: 6/25/03 11:08 pm
OneTaste Registered User (6/26/03 9:57 am) Reply	Re: Enlightenment pigeonholed *Quote:* (This message was left blank) this and all of the other ones! chela, what's the deal with taking all of your posts off the board? Again. What's going on?
soulcircle Registered User (6/26/03 10:54 am) Reply	now what this thread has had meaning now it is a bit chopped up i hope other threads don't experience this chaos
chela2020 Registered User (6/26/03 12:22 pm) Reply	Re: now what (This message was left blank) Edited by: chela2020 at: 6/28/03 1:58 pm
chela2020 Registered User (6/28/03 7:20 am) Reply	Re: now what . Edited by: chela2020 at: 6/28/03 1:58 pm
stermejo Registered User (6/28/03 8:46 am) Reply	Re: nuns with bad hair days! Too bad you decided all those messages had to be blanked out. A bit too snappy:-) Perhaps we can all learn to use the chat board for those instant "inspirations." But, what Bad Hair Days? Fact is look back. The poor nuns just have bad hair. It's a fact of life.
chela2020 Registered User (6/28/03 8:58 am) Reply	Re: nuns with bad hair days! (This message was left blank) Edited by: chela2020 at: 6/28/03 2:02 pm
Notice the Noticer Registered User (6/28/03 12:46 pm) Reply	Re: nuns with bad hair days! *Quote:* The poor nuns just have bad hair. That's funny! But I think it applies more to SRF nuns than Vedanta nuns... I mean, we all had bad hair, but at least we didn't spend hours getting it "done" rigidly into uniform-like (and outdated) hairstyles! Edited by: Notice the Noticer at: 6/28/03 12:49 pm
soulcircle Registered User (6/28/03 1:01 pm) Reply	reconstruct Guests and All, Next to the reply, and edit commands is there a 'reconstruct' command? Did I miss the "reconstruct" option? This sweet thread has been turned into a zen koan. No worse! The reconstructed posts, in my opinion, aren't even close, and of all things, here on this SRF Walrus board ~~ an unusually wonderful resource for mutual caring~~ we have thoughtful, labored over replies, that are now stranded in the ozone, because the thread is in pieces, new comments in place of the ones we responded to. Help! may the circle/thread be unbroken
soulcircle Registered User (6/28/03 1:04 pm) Reply	ho let the dogs/smiles out we took the smile off after a page of them
soulcircle Registered User (6/28/03 1:05 pm) Reply	who let the smiles/dogs out? let's give the smiles in the last several headings a rest Edited by: soulcircle at: 6/28/03 1:06 pm
chela2020 Registered User (6/28/03 1:40 pm) Reply	Re: nuns with bad hair days! (This message was left blank) Edited by: chela2020 at: 6/28/03 1:59 pm
chela2020 Registered User (6/28/03 1:52 pm) Reply	Re: Enlightenment pigeonholed (This message was left blank) Edited by: chela2020 at: 6/28/03 1:59 pm
chela2020 Registered User (6/28/03 2:11 pm) Reply	Re: Enlightenment pigeonholed (This message was left blank) Edited by: chela2020 at: 6/28/03 8:51 pm

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