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moyma Registered User (4/9/04 9:22 pm) Reply	keeping things clear thru brainwashing One thing about these lawsuits and the fraud case against Ananda that most people in SRF do not know about is the brainwashing they were accused of by the SRF lawyers...all matter of public record.......Ananda used a technique, I think is called chanting........ repitition of simple phases set to music to control and hypnotize there followers.....to get them to do anything the leadership wants.....they also stare at lit candle's till there minds go blank and again they are under the leaderships control......then the leadership can get anything they want......think I'm kidding ??? here is one more juicy little piece...SRF has denied being involved in the bertilucci case IN ANY WAY.... saying they had nothing to do with it but on the frist day of depositions of Kriyananda the SRF lawyer mike flynn asked Questions that only Daya Mata , Ananda mata and Kriyananda knew about ......the only!!! way he could have gotten the information was from SRF..... there were only three people on this planet that knew about Kriyananda being in India and what went on there.....why do you think he would even ask these questions ?? they had nothing to do with the case.... SRF has never answered these questions instead they put the hex on Ananda for trying to implicate them.....someone is lying in the big house.......must be the brainwashing
moyma Registered User (4/11/04 9:48 pm) Reply	Re: keeping things clear thru brainwashing One other distrubing thing is that Daya insists they had nothing to do with this case ,but there lawyers proved otherwise.....then who did??? Perhaps the left hand is not telling the right hand all that is happening ??? Who on the board is the head of the legal team ?? Something doesn't pass the smell test here......there is one other possiblity.....and that is Daya doesn't have a clue what the legal team really was ....and is up too.....sure they gave her updates but sometimes lawyers don't need to tell her everything.... I would like to believe her but the facts point to something else....I got some good Idea's what may be happening but would like to get other people's Idea's. SRF said in there memo to everyone that these legal battles were difficult for both side's and they hoped we could live in harmony, but there actions do not justify this ..... according to my sources at Ananda , SRF countinue's to harass Kriyananda calling news paper's ....TV stations ... etc...telling them not to print our let Kriyananda on the air How do they know it was SRF??? because the TV station told Ananda this..... One can only assume that there fear and disgust of Kriyananda is much more than they let on.... otherwise .....why all the fuss ??? One thing I have always admired in Kriyananda is when SRF tells him not to do something he does just the opposite..... standing on the principle that No one has the right to tell you how to serve the Guru....I like that ...!!! we all could use a little more of this....
WindChimes44 Registered User (4/12/04 6:24 am) Reply	Re: keeping things clear thru brainwashing moy, I did not understand your posts very well, but I am interested. Are you saying this new fraud uproar in Italy was instigated by SRF lawyers? That would be sinking pretty low. Was Flynn deposed concerning the case in Italy? I got totally lost, sorry. For example I did not understand this <One other distrubing thing is that Daya insists they had nothing to do with this case ,but there lawyers proved otherwise.....then who did???> Whose lawyers proved what? If you have time to put the facts down for someone out of the loop, I would appreciate it.
moyma Registered User (4/12/04 11:44 am) Reply	Re: keeping things clear thru brainwashing Hope this clears things ! Daya wrote a letter to Kriyananda saying they didn't have anything to do with the Ananda fraud case and she was mad that Ananda implicated SRF...but my point was, Look at the facts the Ananda fraud case had .....SRF lawers..... You think that was just a chance?? in the Ananda fraud case, on the first day of depositions..... they ask questions about Kriyananda that only a very few in SRF knew about. My point is....they had the info about Kriyananda before the deposition started ......that info could have only come from SRF...How did they get that info if SRF was not involved ? ? If you were sued by coke corporation for copyrights..... and then sued again by the same lawyers....for something else..... and the info in this "Other" trial could have only come from the coke company.......wouldn't you say the coke company was somehow involved...... someone in SRF sat down with the lawyers and gave them everything they could about Kriyananda. before the charges were even made !!! to say they were not involved doesn't pass the smell test.... The fraud case in Italy I didn't bring up because it is just so absurd....I don't think that one mad ex employee could have done all that damage by himself....there is definitely someone behind that one....I don't think it's SRF because the charges were outright lies.... Lets throw everything at them and see what sticks....that sort of thing......I don't think SRF would stoop that low.......... From what I here ....we will Know soon.....the guy who brought the charges My face some himself.....and he should !!
Lobo Registered User (4/12/04 7:54 pm) Reply	Re: keeping things clear thru brainwashing Moyma, The Bertolucci suit against Kriyananda, Ananda, et. al., was for sexual harassment wasn't it. Did she allege fraud as a result of the sexual charges she made against Kriyananda? And the Italy case, isn't that a criminal case with the Italian police charging the Ananda/Italy/Ananda employee's/devotee's with various criminal charges? On another board someone said that Kriyananda has been dropped as a defendant, but I've not heard or read whether all of the charges (of which I'm still not clear just what they are) against Ananda and its employee's have been dropped. Do you have any update? Also I agree with you regarding your statements regarding SRF's secret involvement in the Bertolucci matter. But that said, I must say that I find you're subsequent charges against SRF as tipping off the Italian police to be somewhat vague, and therefore weak. Do you have any more evidence of their direct involvement? Thanks
moyma Registered User (4/12/04 9:22 pm) Reply	Re: keeping things clear thru brainwashing two my understanding there are two parts to the bertilucci case {not sure of the spelling] Kriyananda was convicted of fraud and the minister that had the affair with ann marie was charged with sexual harassment, because it happened in and through the work place.....Kriyananda was never convicted of the sex stuff they were just accusations to discredit him.....he was charged with misleading people.....saying he was a monk in the swami order when he wasn't....He was married twice....Funny thing about that is he wrote a letter to yoga journal saying he was stepping down from his vows and he told the member's of Ananda as well....but it wasn't enough The Italy charge's were all over the map...the main one is that they took advantage of people..... slavery really .... forced them to live and pay rent in substandard places etc etc...there are lots of charges , a small book really.... and they are going thru them all week after week.....All the charges against Kriyananda were dropped and nothing has become of any of the rest of it . so far....The main culprit in this sued ananda for more money and didn't win, then when that didn't work he said it was brainwashing and he was taken advantage of.....got some more people to sign on and whamooo !! This is just like the bertilucci case in almost every-way but there is no sex involved .....workplace stuff I never meant to say SRF the org was involved in this .... I think it may be SRF members who hold a grudge against Ananda . some x-ananda people .... One thing about Kriyananda is you like him or hate him ....and he has a lot of enemy's
moyma Registered User (4/13/04 7:26 pm) Reply	Re: keeping things clear thru brainwashing It is confusing because when the sex charges came out about Kriyananda nobody knew, not even the people at Ananda knew that he was getting some on the side......thats why all the fuss..... people naturally made the connection to sexual harassment to Kriyananda....but the case against him was fraud.....the fact that nobody at Ananda new about the sex really swayed the jury. The srf lawyers really did a good job on the jury, they made it sound like there were lots of woman .but from what I can tell maybe four over a span of 50 years. But the guy blew it .....he says in his book that sex wasn't a problem...then he later said that wasn't true. that it was a real problem and that he was with a woman in India before he got the boot ! that lie and the Karma from it is going to follow him and Ananda forever.... to bad to because when you talk to him you can feel his joy... Gods joy.... the guy has great magnetism...I really think he is a high soul. I have taken kriya from him and it is one of the highlights of my life....Thats why I think the sex thing is more a slip than a fall , you can't live a lie .you don't get the kind of joy that man puts out by living on a base sex level.Thats the damage lawyers can do !!esp. SRF lawyers.....the legal section of this board is great !! read it if you get the chance.... proves what I've said here about the lawyers
Lobo Registered User (4/14/04 11:06 pm) Reply	Re: keeping things clear thru brainwashing Moyma, I've heard K speak at a local church a few years ago on one of his book tours and it was also during the time of the SRF and Bertolucci lawsuits. While his speech was set-up as a sort of Sunday service I was struck by the fact that he used part of it to denounce religious "authority" that's based on institutional structures. I understood him to be talking about SRF without ever mentioning the name at this general service. While he did indeed seem to me to be a "high" being, I have to admit that I felt something of the shyster vibe coming from him as well. By that I mean I didn't feel that I could completely trust him and his agenda, that he wasn't coming from a place of total freedom and was still dealing with the hurt resulting from his expulsion from SRF. Of course that could be chalked-up to the fact that he was at that point in time very embattled with these very real lawsuits threatening to take away everything that he'd worked for, i.e. Ananda and its financial resources. So he was reacting, it felt to me, in a public way warning his listerners to trust their own inner voice rather than blindly accept institutional authority. A wise instruction to be sure, yet, there was a distinct attachment vibe in there that sent-up a red flag for me. I've had the blessing to meet with the late Ma Durga. Now there was someone who if she'd asked me to give up everything right then and there and follow her I would have...without a second thought. Never have I felt so sure of someone's holiness and complete trustworthiness. I must say also that I've heard Daya Mata speak on a few occasions. She also activated some inner red flag within me like that she too had an agenda; however, upon actually meeting her as she greeted the members before leaving I truly felt a tremendous spiritual power definitedly coming from her being. But, I did not have that instanteous spiritual connection that I experienced with Ma Durga-so transparent, so guileless, so wishing only to help me with her kind words of wise counsel--that I've never forgotten her or the blessings that poured through her. Thanks for trying to make sense of the Ananda Italy legal situation. I know that K and Ananda have many enemies; perfectly good people who more often than not are SRF members (and former Ananda members) who feel that they have a spiritual duty to expose K and Ananda for what they consider them to be: charlatans and worse.
moyma Registered User (4/15/04 7:25 am) Reply	Re: keeping things clear thru brainwashing wow ! keep that stuff coming, great post! Kriyananda, daya and bro. bhaktananda......All have just blown me away with there vibe. I have never gotten kriya from Daya, but I have from the other's and it is part of the reason I am still here. I love this path, kriya, the whole bit. I have great friends both at Ananda and in SRF. I am really pissed at both.... SRF because they would hire a guy like flynn to do there dirty work.....what is a few lies to protect this work???.... Only SRF believe's him ! And when they know he's lying they just laugh it off as nothing. I can't believe that people with intuition would act like that. they hired him to protect there great work from Kriyananda , and because of that, they almost lost everything.....and of coarse they blame him for it all ! " I know Kriyananda is mad at SRF for the boot. And he does nothing that would bring the work together, he antagonize's SRF whenever he can....God is for everyone by Yogananda, as a rewrite of science of religion. even though he wrote it. he says that yogananda didn't write science of religion so it's ok for him to put Yogananda's name on his rewrite.... What the hell did he think would happen with SRF ? Edited by: moyma at: 7/17/05 8:29 pm
redpurusha Registered User (4/15/04 8:34 am) Reply	Re: keeping things clear thru brainwashing Durga Mas sounds like a great soul! For more info on these issues presented here, read yoganandarediscovered, anandaanswers, and yogananda-dif.org. I've printed out most of the pages found in these sites, it's a lot of information and even new insights on Yogananda. Read and decide for yourselves.
ranger20 (4/15/04 10:25 am) Reply	Re: keeping things clear thru brainwashing One of the basic questions in any consideration of the SRV vs. Ananda tensions over the years, is why Kriyananda left to begin with. I had always assumed, based on a long ago reading of his autobiography, that it involved his sense of calling to found communities in opposition to BOD wishes. The strongest slam on this issue is what I've read in Burke's An Eagle's Flight, a rather long and detailed account that paints Laurie Pratt as the villain, in an expulsion of Kriyananda. Most of the text of that section has been quoted on the Walrus at this link, in a message about halfway down the page. I am assuming that Burke got this from Kriyananda directly at some point, since he mentions visiting various "direct disciples of PY," and where else would he have gotten it from? *Quote:* So great was Laurie Pratt's confidence in her perfected consciousness that she purchased some books on Hindi, read through them, and proceeded to "translate" the entire Autobiography of a Yogi into that language -or rather into several hundred pages of gibberish that her illumined intelligence told her was Hindi. When the Vice-President of SRF, Swami Kriyananda) who could speak and write Hindi), notified the officials of SRF that her manuscript which had been sent to India for printing was utter gobbledygook, he was verbally rapped on the knuckles and told to go ahead and get it printed. Only when he took Dayamata and other board members to the publishers (at the publishers insistense), who proved to them that the manuscript (which had been set up at the board's insistence at great expense) was nothing but a string of nonsense syllables, was it finally agreed to not have it printed! Engaged at this "insult," Miss Pratt not only engineered to have Swami Kriyananda recalled from India and summarily booted out of SRF (he was never allowed to appear before the board to answer charges or make any kind of appeal, nor did he know for some years exactly what the charges against him were), she wrote to every Indian embassy in the world(!) denouncing him as an undesirable person who should not be allowed to return to India. As a result he was unable to obtain a visa and return to India fo rmany years." -p167 pub78.ezboard.com/fsrfwal...D=22.topic Edited by: ranger20 at: 4/15/04 10:26 am
moyma Registered User (4/16/04 10:32 am) Reply	Re: keeping things clear thru brainwashing redpurusha, thanks for the help. I've read most of that info from those site's. yogananda-dif.org was a new one for me.It's great stuff. ranger, I agree, I heard that for years Kriyananda had a letter from sai baba on his meditation room wall that told Kriyananda that he was a victim of Bad politics. and I'm sure it's true. Kriyananda really had no choice but to start over. He showed some real courage to stand up to SRF. although I'm sure that they still think he is a traitor. When I was going to a SRF center years ago we got a letter saying that Kriyananda was a traitor and not to trust him. A close friend asked bro. Bhaktananda about it and he said, Nobody at mother center would ever say anything like that ! my friend then showed him the letter and Bhaktananda just shook his head in disgust and said ,You have to remember that no matter what level a person is at, your still dealing with human nature. That is really what were seeing here with all this fighting between these two organizations.loyalty may be the highest law but stupidity ranks right up there...May have to wright another letter to SRF......they may not read it and it may not do any good ,but I always feel better letting them Know exactly where I stand. that way I know I've done what I can before master and the great one's.....can't hurt anything ! durga mata sounds fantastic ! really do wish I could have met her..... thanks !

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