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(2/1/02 8:50 pm)
Reply 		Three messages: About Monastic Orders
The following three messages are down in the thread titled About Monastic Orders and give a first hand impression of life as an employee or monastic. The thread is at:
pub78.ezboard.com/fsrfwal...41&stop=51

From JADED 2/1/02 -- More responses
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REDSTERLA had said: I simply hope that there will be some with the strength to help from the inside during these very trying times.

Redster, I also saw a message from you in another thread saying something about the trouble or turmoil at present in SRF. I think you are missing the point. There is not some stressful external situation that is causing difficulties, to be worked through. It is not a matter of tremendous growth in the membership straining the resources of the organization, and therefore leading to miscommunication and difficulties, things to be worked out.

The fundamental culture of SRF is dysfunctional, and always has been. Of course, there are good, even saintly, people who are part of SRF. (A few of them are even monastics!) But that is irrelevant to the discussion. The board may appear negative to you, but its main point--to me, at least--is to make public the terrible reality of what SRF is. There is not the slightest acknowledgement--none, nada, zip--within SRF that there is any problem whatsoever of this nature. The kind of human interaction around issues you describe is absolutely impossible until there is at least the willingness to agree there is something to discuss. At present, anyone who brings up any issue, no matter how cordially and lovingly, is instantly branded a traitor and made into an unperson. If you don't thing so, give it a try.

I think someone else posted a similar thought: we're not dealing with the normal give and take of human interaction, with people's normal positive and negative qualities in play, and the need for love, patience, and understanding. It is a corrupt, evil regime that has hijacked our Guru's organization. You may not think so. My personal experience tells me it is true.
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From AUMBOY 2/1/02 -- RE: More responses
Redster, I must concur with Jaded. With regard to the quote, some who have tried to "help from the inside" were asked to leave or encouraged to leave. Even the psychologist that was brought in to "help" was fired without being told. This is how SRF operates. This has been my experience. Decisions are made and you have to figure it out yourself. Imagine having a meeting in which you are a part at MW. You are a lay disciple and you meet with monastics. Even with all your good intentions, decisions would be made before the meeting by monastics only and the ones with which you meet may simple be told what to do and say. They wouldn't even be making decisions. This, too, has been my experience. I love SRF but in its present form it leaves a lot wanting. It is extremely difficult to understand without serving directly for a number of years. But it is also liberating for I came to understand that I could go directly to the source (Yogananda) because the channel (SRF) is clogged. Maybe some Liquid Plumbler would help.

One more thing: if you "help" from the outside, you'll end up being blacklisted.
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From SURVIVOR 2/1/02 -- Help isn’t possible, Inside or Out
I spent years trying to help on the inside, and it took years for me to finally understand that not only was there nothing I could do, there is nothing anyone can do. They must do it for themselves, and, as is clear to anyone who has tried to help them, including the former monks' and nuns' Spiritual Life Committees, there is no hope of that. Not in this life. I understand that this is incomprehensible to many of you who haven't been there and tried to work with the bad ladies and the band of thieves around them, but Master teaches that we can learn from the experiences of others. In order to do so, it is necessary to first remove our own blinders and psychological filters, and allow the experiences of others to exist without doing exactly what the bad ladies do: condemning or denying all perceptions and experiences that are contrary to our own. The conditioning (brainwashing), so liberally provided by SRF, about what is good or bad, positive or negative, is neither universal nor absolute.

With so many good people getting hurt so deeply, and with so many credible people leaving that environment, there is an obvious message that cannot be ignored by anyone who sincerely wants to know the truth.

In one sense, integrity means accepting the whole, seeming good and seeming bad, seeing and understanding it for what it truly is, and letting truth and discrimination guide us to act accordingly, without judgment.

It seems that what so many people have such a problem with is accepting that those at the center of what the bad ladies claim is Master's organization can seem to be so good but in reality be so evil in their relationships with others, particularly those for whom they claim responsibility by virtue of their position.

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