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Musicman Unregistered User (2/13/02 10:09 am) Reply	Bad Walrus Day? Thank you, Concerned. I think you may well be right. I'm slightly reluctant to devote much time to writing a post if there's a chance that my work will spiral down the cyberdrain, like day-old coffee. Oh, well, you takes your chances. [ SRF Walrus Edit: I hope you do continue to contribute, I know from the responses that many appreciate the dialog and variety here. I also get serious emails explaining that people are reading and analysing what is said, some of it helping people to think through things. It is for those people that I protect the tone and focus of this board. ] Edited by: srfwalrus at: 2/13/02 8:54:28 pm
NewBoy Unregistered User (2/22/02 10:57 am) Reply	Armed Escort? KS, When you say Daya Mata arrives at events with "armed escorts," do you mean she hires people to protect her other than monastics? That is strange. In one of the New Times articles, the author (Ron Russell?) referred to a mad man who made his way up to MW and started shooting at objects in the chapel! He cited that incident to explain the added security at MW. I was aghast to read this story, but many things in that article shocked me. Are you familiar with this story? Or is it just another exaggerated tale told to increase the New Times readership?
monky Unregistered User (3/15/02 12:48 pm) Reply	Women takeover? Mother Goddess take over? (originally posted on Bro. Devananda's thread) -------------------------------------------------------Because of the second WW, very few man disciples ended up following Yogananda. Also, it seem his 'strong' leadership style didn't go along too well with most men. Women ended up around him and were left in important positions after his departure. They reflected a bit P.Y. attitude in dealing with men and also, since many monks left the work in the early fifties, most likely they were seen by the women as traitors,etc. reinforcing the idea monks were worthless. And so it happened that a bunch of scared women left behind had to become 'men' to defend P.Y.'s work and ....started acting like men. DO NOT BE FOOLED into thinking that because women are in charge they behave any different, (if so it is only for marginal effects) than men or than any patriarcal organization. One example is that Nuns are supposed stay put, shut up into the ashram and monks to do the preaching. It was only after years of ltrs. addressed to SRF that they allowed a nun or two to have on "show" at Convocation. The real problem is that BALANCE is missing, both men and women should share power and serve as directors. If the next president is a man it might rebalance a bit the situation because monks will be mostly around him and in position of power. Another ESSENTIAL thing is that they must have at lest one third of HOUSEHOLDER directors. The way lay disciple issues are neglected is awful to say the least! Also, householders have a BALANCING effect on the dream like, unflexbile stance monatics tend to express. The mess that happened with building the Master Plan, where the whole M.W.neighborhood rebelled,wouldn't have happened! The Catholic church is making a good case now with his pedophile priests, it shows that 'isolated' individuals, no matter how good their intentions are, tend to go astray. The Golden middle path advocated by Yogananda and Buddha have been forgotten for total control by escapists monastics.
witness Unregistered User (3/15/02 6:28 pm) Reply	Bang Bang I just read Newboys query about the shooting incident at Mt. Washington. Yes, it really happened, but was so hushed up that later even some of the monks didn't seem to know about it. In July (or possibly August) 1994, a man entered the chapel on a Sunday afternoon and fired several shots into the portrait of Yogananda which is propped on the easel. Police helicopters circled the mountain and there was a bit of a commotion, but as usual virtually no one knew it had even happened because the incident was so successfully dropped into that famous black hole. The portrait subsequently disappeared for a long time, then reappeared. I couldn't even tell that anything had happened to the new version and don't know if it was restored or completely replaced.
smile youre on candid camera Unregistered User (3/15/02 6:44 pm) Reply	Re: Bang Bang I'm surprised SRF doesn't require one to go through metal detectors like at the airport in order to access Mother Center, Lake Shrine, Encinitas, Hollywood Temple, etc. Their "ushers" and security people are so overzealous, especially at Convocation. It wouldn't surprise me if they had hidden cameras installed in the MC chapel and were secretly watching you while you're having your otherwordly meditations and contacting the "Great Ones".
Valerio Unregistered User (3/16/02 4:36 am) Reply	smile you are on a candid camera Nobody noted the violent nature ,the negativity,the gratuit insult behond such a posting?Where are the great judjer of Valerio?Where is the Walrus and its impartial deleting?They can sleep or wake up at will,according to the nature of postings.The criterion?You post pro SRF and they get fully awake.You post criticizing SRF(I'm using a soft term) and they can sleep soundly:from time to time some of them open one eye and like a drousy walrus they say:Yes it's true,me too have heard about such and such......-.just to add fuel to the fire.Shame, Walrus;you should keep both eyes and ears wide open if you really want to be an impartial moderator.You give more and more proves that this board is for trying to destroy SRF at any cost,and not for an exchange of opinions.But you will find God and the SRF Gurus in front of you:will you try to destroy Them too?
New Perspective Unregistered User (3/16/02 6:01 am) Reply	Valerio Have you been in the forum: "Ananda, Related Discussions," under "My Last Letter? to Sister Priya." There is a lot of anti-Ananda discussion on that thread, and Walrus has not deleted it. I do understand how you feel though, this board is really an anti-SRF group, more pro Ananda than anything. But I would imagine that it is only that there are more Ananda members on the board, and it may have been set up to support those leaving SRF, which I didn't find it doing; instead I felt it added to the confusion and multiplied the hurt. I believe I read a letter that Walrus put on the board that was asking Donald Walters to fess up. Where is it? Maybe under one of the first two forums. If so, then my feeling is that this board is not ran by Ananda. It is also my believe that most of what is said on this board that is against SRF comes from Ananda--from things that Walters has said about SRF. In all my time in SRF, the only thing that really bothered me was the fact that they changed the guru's writings and they have no proof that he asked for the changes to be made, and I know that the changes that are made are not what Hinduism teaches, so how could Yogananda teach them--such as being loyal to an organization. I don't believe that SRF is a cult like some on this board believe. I have never been asked to give money, I have never been told how to think or what to do, etc. I have found that the people in SRF don't listen to the gossip coming from Ananda. and while I once listened to such gossip, I realize that it would have been better had I not listened. Unless there is definite proof in anything, why listen? Sure, it is okay to listen and then to check it out, but much of it cannot be proven since all concerned have passed on. It is my belief that all organizations have problems in them, and so, why not just stay out of the politics? Instead, meditate, and have peace of mind? But if how an organizaton is treating you is affecting your life and your meditation, then you owe it to yourself to find out what the problem is. I don't know if getting on this board has affected your ability to meditate, but if it has, I would suggest that you ask yourself if it is worth it, because what you say on this board will not affect anyone. I guess my only hope is that at least one person will listen--such as a person in SRF who gets on this board by accident and finds himself/herself upset, heart broken, etc. But then again, if a person does get on this board and reads it, he/she only has herself/himself to blame. The same with the flyers that are being passed out by Ananda members. If someone takes one and reads it, then who is to blame? Actually both the person who wrote the material, and the one who reads it. I still believe that we are our brother's keeper, and that we should not harm anyone in word or deed. I have asked several different respectable religious groups (Buddhist and Hindu) about these matters. I was basically told that if I am not happy in any organization, I should just leave and not continue to find fault with them. Some said that I needed to transform my anger into self-purification, and that I should to be good to those whom I felt were in the wrong. I was told that while it was okay to tell the organization how you feel, to continue to blame them only leads to an obsession which prevents you from finding God and only disturbs your mind. And last of all I was reminded that there is discord in all organizations. As Buddha and many other Eastern religions teach: "Do not give your attention to what others do or fail to do; give it to what you do or fail to do...."
username Registered User (3/16/02 7:02 am) Reply	To: new perspective SRF may not take your money, but it takes DOES tell you what to think and what to do, and this is much more damaging than taking your money. People have had their heart broken by SRF and have suffered great upset, this board is a way to heal these injuries "It is my belief that all organizations have problems in them and so, why not just stay out of the politics. Instead, Meditate" This is the behavior SRF teaches you to do, don't address the problems, just meditate (Don't change my circumstances - change me) or in other words ...Let's just all stick our heads in the sand - and then the people in power can do anything they want.
Help for Valerio Unregistered User (3/16/02 9:24 am) Reply	Valerio Nobody is forcing you to read this board. If you are bothered by what you read here then you shouldn't be here. Others have given you good suggestions and links to other positive boards. You ungratefully disparaged them and continue coming here to insult the posters. Why do you keep coming back here if you do not like what you see here? You are not going to change anybody. You can only change yourself. And given the amount of violence and anger in your posts, you obviously have a lot of changing to do. Why not get to work on it right away?
Valerio Unregistered User (3/16/02 1:16 pm) Reply	Help for Valerio? Dear friend,wether to leave or not this dark board is up to me.About the help,remember,Valerio,Gurudeva and God are helping Valerio in the percentage you certainly know;25%,25%,50%.So why worry about my welfare?A breaf answer to the friend who posted before you;this board cannot prevent my finding God,and as I have preaviously explained in other posting my peace and joy are not touched.I consider this a duty of mine to take a little light into deep darkness.I don't want to enter in the fact if it is Ananda Church or anybody else behind the walrus.What matters to me is that the walrus has been created as an attempt to destroy SRF,and so I will go on posting pro SRF.Ciao
Valerio Unregistered User (3/16/02 2:28 pm) Reply	walrus deleted my answer to -hep Valerio Thank you walrus for deleting my post in answer to "help for Valerio".Remember,dark walrus,I 'll go on posting till I want to give up.An you go on deleting if you want.
Valerio Unregistered User (3/16/02 2:32 pm) Reply	My post got back-thank you Nice walrus,you replaced my post.Thank you
redpurusha Registered User (3/16/02 2:37 pm) Reply	Re: Help for Valerio? Dear friend Valerio, it is not good to post neither pro-SRF or anti-SRF, what is important is to post pro Yogananda's teachings, aims and ideals. Many of the people posting on this board see SRF as not following some of those aims and ideals and feel they must express their opinions, or try to make a change. The majority of the posts I have seen on this board are not "dark" but enlightening, informative that promote fair debate and discussion. Like someone mentioned earlier, I don't view SRF as a destructive cult as some of the posts have labled it. There are some dark clouds once in a while, but to label the whole Walrus board dark is equally as wrong, its black and white thinking. The board, just as any organization is comprised of many individuals with varying viewpoints, coming from people of varying degrees of Self-realization. I have respect for SRF but even greater respect for the universal truths which pre-existed any religious organization and which the Guru lived by. SRF is a "new expression" of those universal truths. The Master taught loyalty to God and the gurus, as living representatives, to place SRF (the society today) in the same group and hold it infallable as God, would be a mistake, just as it would be wrong to mistake the hive for the honey. Today's hive is necessary and is producing the honey, just that some here feel that it is not producing as much honey or as great quality or rate they think it can or should be. This is just my perspective, I'm sure not everyone here agrees, but that's part of having an open forum. Best wishes.
Valerio Unregistered User (3/16/02 2:47 pm) Reply	redpurusha Dear Redpurusha, my viewpoint differs a little bit from yours but I appreciate your posting very much.Thank you .
SRF Myths Unregistered User (3/16/02 4:48 pm) Reply	Valerio's myth *Quote:* About the help,remember,Valerio,Gurudeva and God are helping Valerio in the percentage you certainly know;25%,25%,50%.So why worry about my welfare? I'd be plenty worried if I were you. That 25%/25%/50% business you wrote is not true. It is yet another SRF [bold]myth[/bold]. They claim that Yogananda said that, but if he did he was making it up. There is no verification for this formula in any of the Hindu scriptures. If it were that easy, the whole world would be lining up at SRF's Mount Washington gates to get initiation so Yogananda can take 25% of their karma, God 50%, so they could go out and party their heads off and have a life full of fun with no worries. Puh-leeze!
New Perspectives Unregistered User (3/16/02 5:01 pm) Reply	to Valerio Dear Valerio, I am sorry if I have offended you. I don't like unsolitited advice either, so I should always remember that. You are right in one thing, I will never change anyone on this board, you can only change yourself, and basically that is what I have been saying. No one on Walrus can change SRF or Ananda, they can only change themselves. But again I am sorry for offending you. God bless.
Valerio Unregistered User (3/17/02 4:20 am) Reply	New Perspectives No problems.You have anything to worry about.Love from Valerio.
Valerio Unregistered User (3/17/02 4:43 am) Reply	To SRF Myths How much haschis did you smock before posting?You know,in all religions if a guru is a true guru takes his disciples karma;in all religions God's grace is of utmost importance,and in all religions the devotees effort is required.The fact that gurudeva gave the percentage ,states that even if we do our best succeeding in it ,still we woul'nt be able to reach the Goal without the Guru's help(it is He who introduces one to God) and without God's grace that is always there.This is stated in all religions.Master never said it is a unique feature of SRF devotees.He only expressed a spiritual law.So please a little less hashis ,a little more meditation,and a little more goodwill.Your friend in God ,Valerio.
Crog Unregistered User (3/17/02 7:28 am) Reply	Haschis How much haschis did you smock? This is great stuff. Thanks for posting these missigages.
willy1080 Registered User (3/17/02 8:29 am) Reply	valerio Thank you for posting here , I love your posts Have you heard of Sartre , isn't he the guy who said , " We all take our lives so seriously , as if we were immortal " One very special thing about this board is that it translates to F.R.E.E.D.O.M . Nearly all the message boards on the net are heavily moderated , by individuals who have their own bias and prejudices . You cannot post on those boards unless you confirm to their narrow views . Here there is an honest air of freedom . Ciao

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