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rayuna Registered User (2/6/02 12:39 pm) Reply	You've been discovered It's open season on the yogananda.net Devotees board for srfwalrus. Go to Board 2, the "controversial" subjects board. Uuggh, so stifling! Controversial over there is if you think for yourself. Mostly loyalists to their own detriment. May want to balance things out by posting there. Edited by: rayuna at: 2/6/02 12:42:52 pm
AumBoy Registered User (2/6/02 1:55 pm) Reply	Liberty, Liberty, Liberty, Om! Hi Rayuna, I looked at the messages and felt no need to reply to them. Thomas Jefferson said, "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance." And what is liberty? Liberation. Freedom. What is eternal vigilance? Awareness. The pillar of yoga. I read fear in the messages on the other board. I see this, in many ways, in our society when someone has dedicated their lives to something and a new idea or concept comes along to dislodge it. Whether one was a monastic, member, scientist, philosopher, politician,.... it does not matter. Entropy is a law of change... transformation. Everything changes... organizations change. The only changelessness is God. If any of us hold on to that which changes it has to be rent from us. Taken away. Because our true nature is changeless. If a person fears something, at some time they need to face it to overcome it. Didn't Sri Yukteswar look fear in the face? And wasn't he open enough and sure of himself enough to take whatever people said to him to see if there was a grain of truth contained within? This is the only place for open discussions about SRF. I have, since coming here, communicated with other people in "splinter" groups. (What the heck is a splinter group anyway?) I have found them all deeply, deeply dedicated to Yogananda. And I have been deeply inspired by their devotion. Yogananda is the Sun of all the groups. From my limited understanding, SRF is the only one which appears to put down the other groups. Why? SRF had knowingly or unknowingly indoctrinated me to think that people from other groups worshipping Yogananda were pariahs, outcasts. What would Ghandi think of this? Years ago (and I cannot vouch for the veracity of this), I was told that DM said that Convocation is the Kumbla Mela of the West. I used to think that this was great until I realized that it was exclusive to SRF only. There was no sharing with people of other religions. There was no sharing with people who sought Yogananda with other organizations. Only SRF. I think people need to understand (IMO) that Yogananda is the tree, and not SRF. SRF is simply a branch with fruit which beckons people to take a bite. Many simply stay on the branch not seeking deeply enough to go to the trunk. The Source. Yogananda. And it is on this tree (Yogananda-Yukteswar-Lahiri) that all groups branch off of. Not SRF. I pray that I become such an exemplar of Yogananda's Love that I never need mention His name. So that I become Him and He, me. And when people meet me they see only Him. That is my Dream. Aum...
Lanfranc Unregistered User (2/6/02 2:14 pm) Reply	Jai! Jai, AumBoy. May we all reach that state.
premdas Registered User (2/6/02 4:56 pm) Reply	May Thy Love... Good post, Aum Boy!
chuckle Unregistered User (2/6/02 6:11 pm) Reply	reply to AumBoy AumBoy, you've made some very good points about freedom. After reading your message, I went over and read what was there at yogananda.net. Like you, I feel no need to reply to them at this time. I 'm not surprised by what I read there, but I am saddened. I fear that a schism is going to develop in SRF between those who are aware of problems and those who refuse to acknowledge even the possibility that there could be problems. If and when the SRF/Ananda copyright stuff goes to trial, I think there is a possiblity of some real unpleasantness (for want of a better word) developing. I wonder how the people in the yogananda.net group would feel if they knew the identities of some of the people who have been hurt, who have tried to help and have had to quit, who have real concerns about the future of Master's work. Some of them, I think, would be deeply shocked to discover who these people are. You wrote: "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance." And what is liberty? Liberation. Freedom. What is eternal vigilance? Awareness. The pillar of yoga. Brilliant, AumBoy!
Crog Unregistered User (2/6/02 7:51 pm) Reply	Edits I have tried to post over there in the past, many months ago. Their board is heavily filtered and messages are not added until approved by the moderator. Note that on this board your messages appear right away.
KS Registered User (2/6/02 8:04 pm) Reply	Discovered I had seen that board before and figured they would see our board sooner or later. I see that we are all over some of the search engines now, so things may heat up. To my mind most here are thoughtful and courteous types, so we should do fine. I just read many of the messages and one of them says they posted something to stir us up and had it deleted. I suspect it was deleted but so far don’t have a problem with what is being included. I understand their position. If I were in their shoes, never having been too closely involved with SRF, I might even find myself in a similar mindset. I was violently loyal to Master and felt that Master and SRF were one in the same. I learned differently. We are the “ whiners club”? Possibly true. We in fact can’t do much about SRF and do complain about their behavior. So whiners might fit for some of what we do. However, many are involved in a serious discussion to try to understand what happened, who we might still be able to help, and where we go from here.
peer345 Registered User (2/6/02 9:45 pm) Reply	Re: Discovered One can expect nothing else from that board - it is SRF heartland. I used to read it regularly and there was always a ganging up and bashing the dissenter into either "agreement" or flight. I was amused to read Jonathon aka (Blue)Cowboy's claim. I read with interest that debate on this board and it was clear he met with voices who knew as much or even more than he did re the inner workings of SRF, something that never happens on the "devotee" site. peer
willy1080 Registered User (2/8/02 8:21 am) Reply	Jonathan This fellow Jon seems to be a monastic , I wonder how many monastics might be postings there , trying to control the flock . There is Hell guaranteed for some of us here
premdas Registered User (2/8/02 10:45 am) Reply	First the grain, then the whole ear! To those who have ears... They'll hear about us and maybe come and visit, just like we did. In marketing, this is called awareness. This is good! Then its their decision. I'm impressed with 1) the numerical growth of this board 2) the increased quality and depth of discussion 3) the more uplifting tone over the last 2 months. Whining and gossiping seem to happen less and less: We're offering solutions and help to fellow gurubais and truth seekers. We LOVE Master, have personal relationships w/him and the Masters, we've served/are serving his mission and are trying to practice his techniques. And we're like the press, the 3rd (or 4th?) establishment. Again, good points, all! Premdas
AumBoy Registered User (2/8/02 10:16 pm) Reply	Re: First the grain, then the whole ear! I feel that what we have allowed on this board is the ability for people to come here and "vent" and get things off of their chest. I noticed, and maybe others will agree, that the tone of individual posts change when they get stuff off of their chest. If you're suppressed and too busy feeling judged you tend to shut down and keep things inside. This is my personal experience. The "whining" and "gossiping", if any, is a symptom (not the problem), I feel, of bottled up feelings and emotions. They could explode out of a person during their daily drive to work, during a conversation with a friend or spouse, during play with a child. This in no way diminishes wrong behavior, be it an individual or an organization. On this board, understanding and, pretty much, a non-judgemental atmosphere has blossumed. These two aspects are important in society and are lacking. I mean, although many disappointing experiences posted on the board parallel my own, I cannot truly say that I know where each person is coming from who posts here. I do not know what lead up to where they are now, and I'm talking about prior lives and other experiences unique to that person. I don't know these things so who am I to invalidate what someone else says. On this board we don't always agree. And this is ok. We have different opinions. This is ok. We ask tough questions. We question Truth. We are each different unique aspects of the Creator. When we get the crap off of our chest and out of our systems we are able to think and see more clearly. And then we move on... (Ya know, I'm thinking of a direct connection so we can communicate faster. I'm going to unplug my phone line and plug it into my medulla.... oops.... offline)
Been there Unregistered User (2/9/02 8:57 am) Reply	My buttons are pushed Uh oh! Someone just said they are encouraged by the more "uplifting tone" on this board lately...Those are scary words to me -- words used to control and brainwash monastics into being someone the leadership is comfortable with. Perhaps this more "uplifting tone" is why this board becomes increasingly uninteresting to me -- another place for the bliss bunnies to smile at each other? There are still a few people here using the keener aspects of their intelligence, but all in all, it feels more unreal. Just like SRF.
AumBoy Registered User (2/9/02 11:39 am) Reply	Re: My buttons are pushed Been There, I understand where you are coming from. I am not a bliss bunny, in case you were wondering. Raja Begum wrote in Spiritual Fascism: Getting to the Center of the Problem and in How the SRF experience holds our thinking hostage about fascism. It boils down to control. Control of one class of people over another. As I wrote somewhere else, George Santayana wrote, "Those who do not learn from the past are condemned to repeat it." What is chilling about this is I am aware of the gradual erosion of civil liberties in the US under the guise of "fighting terrorism". (I may be bumping into personal belief systems here.) We now have military tribunals set up. People are encouraged to report "suspicious activities". (Sound familiar to behavior in a certain organization?) Many are guided into unthinking, blind, loyalty to be patriotic to whatever "authorities" say is best for us. (Sound familiar?) As Raja Begum pointed out in his posts *Quote:* FASCISM: a very strong form of statism, a corporatist economy, modernization, regimentation, and strong central leadership. Citizens' purpose is to serve the state. Often includes appeals to a "glorious" past or pseudo-religious ideal, thus combining several facets of liberalism, conservatism and socialism into an organic vision of society. His remark on this and* because I do think for myself, lead me to look at a wider picture than just SRF. I don't like what I see. I believe fascism is a Kali Yuga paradigm trying to hold on. Control of one class of people by another. It has to go. SRF may know no other way to behave at the present time. But in looking at the broader context of world events I see history repeating itself. I see the US over the past several years isolate itself from other countries and back out of treaties. (Sound familiar to SRF? I mean, the "isolation" part.) Other countries now view the US as a rogue nation operating by itself for it's own aim. (Sound familiar?) No outside input. A closed system. (Sound familiar?) The "authorities" know the course and will maintain it irrespective of what anyone else thinks. (Sound familiar?) Those who do not kowtow to the party line are unpatriotic. In SRF, they are called unloyal. This is dangerous fundamentalist type thinking. People's thinking is surrendered to "authorities" (who obviously have all the answers themselves) and then they don't have to think anymore because it is all taken care of. This is a bliss bunny. This is someone who may ask you, from another perspective, "Have you been Saved?" The extreme danger to this is the surrender of your discrimination to "authorities" forgetting (or rather intentionally abdicating your personal responsibility to discern) that they are just like you, no more and no less. There are many, many parallels to what is currently happening in the US to what happened in Germany immediately prior to Hitler coming to power. The parallels between the Bush regime and Hitler's Nazi Party are chilling. This is what I am aware of and why it may seem that my posts have become, possibly, "starry eyed". I want people to WAKE THE HECK UP! So I post things that will encourage people to pray as deeply as they can and be aware of what is happening around them. See God in all, YES, but be aware of what is happening around you. Don't be doormats whether it is SRF or another ideal. Maybe I should just come out and say it: It is terribly important to pray for all people. Awareness is the pillar of yoga. I feel, as I read elsewhere, that this age is the end of "ISMs". All these must fall. Be it fascism, communism, Catholicism, Hinduism, etc. All ISMs have seperatist leanings. They tend to isolate (there's that word again) one from another. This is Maya, the measurer. In the ashram, many people assumed that Daya Ma "knows" everything that goes on. Not true. She has to be told things just like everyone else. The blind assumption that she just knows everything is incorrect. How could SRF have some of the issues brought up on this board if she is all-knowing? Even Master built the Golden Lotus Temple on a cliff and it fell into the sea. In the ashram I kept hearing that I should think for myself but I also ran into major problems when I did because supervisors would seem to say, "We didn't think you would actually do it." Hmmmm.... Two conflicting messages. A crazy making paradigm. Compare this to "Go back to business as normal before 9/11 but stay vigilant." (Or how about: "Everything is ok, but it's not." What?) How many people have been frying their brains in trying to do that? It is impossible and simply causes anxiety and other nervousness. This is why I feel a tremendous urgency to encourage people to pray and hang on to God. Fasten your seatbelts but remain aware. Edited by: AumBoy at: 2/9/02 12:15:01 pm
Ringbearer Unregistered User (2/9/02 1:06 pm) Reply	Re:Jonathan I know him. He is indeed an ex-monastic and also a great guy in my opinion.
premdas Registered User (2/9/02 6:32 pm) Reply	Buttons are pushed.... B.T.: Sorry, I didn't mean to push any controlling behavior anyone's way. I was noting that lately I see a greater ratio of constructive comments and criticism with less emphasis on rumors and tearing things and people down, whether its/their SRF, other org.s or each other. This trend, to me, seems more uplifting for most concerned, but particularly for me. I am happiest when the guru and his work are surrounded with/in joy. So, see, I am concerned and challenged when his name and reputation are muddied, not only by the hypocritical actions of those leading his organization, but also when the tone here hardens and the hearts of those participating tend towards closing, and rightly, by the very nature of this board, there can be so much negativity. AND, yes, some's good, alot is necessary and much needs airing! Hence Walrus. I'm with you guys/gals.... But beware of Maya and the seduction of lower energies: tamas. Although I'm not saying anyone currently here is dwelling in darkness, energetically, we do risk becoming hard-hearted and closed. Then we're approaching qualities we've noted in those we've been critical of. I simply enjoy this specific Walrus work of my guru. And I appreciate your comments and personal experiences shared with our gurubais. Blessings, Premdas

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