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ugizralrite Registered User (1/6/04 1:15 pm) Reply	Re: Results From Kriya Here it is Redpurusha. www.yoganandaafrican-american.com/ Edited by: ugizralrite at: 1/6/04 1:16 pm
dawnrays Registered User (1/6/04 1:21 pm) Reply	Re: Results From Kriya Etz, Maybe he means that you HAVE a body but you are also FREE from it in a way (in that it is not free to torture and enslave you... as in non-attachment).. Anything else would be thoroughly schizoid as far as I'm concerned... Also, that you are not afraid/threatened by sense pleasures so you feel the need to "wall yourself off" say, like in an ashram? I once heard that somebody did Yogananda's chart, and said it was actually very sensuous. Other than celebacy, he did not seem to really moralize much. That's always what I liked about the lessons, as opposed to the Catholic Church I grew up in... Well, whatever his personal views were, the end results from kriya are the same... If you are "in charge" of your body and your mind (as kriya is both mental and physical) you are "in the driver's seat" with the rest of your life.... (was going to say "control" but I hate that word, it has so many negative connotations.) To quote Metaphysical Meditations.. I am a prince of peace, sitting on my throne of poise, directing my kingdom of activity.... Edited by: dawnrays at: 1/6/04 1:56 pm
etzchaim Registered User (1/6/04 2:16 pm) Reply	Prudery and sensuality... Dawnrays, I have his chart. He's fiery but with alot of earth, and a Virgo rising. The Virgo ascendent would indicate some element of prudery. His Venus is in Aries. I imagine he just attacked food with a fury of delight, or something like that... Also, he has a T-square involving Jupiter and Saturn, I don't remember the other planet or whether the J and S are opposite or square, but there would be tension between discipline/work and fun and games going on, with his Capricorn Sun pushing him towards the more restricting Saturn and his Moon in Leo pushing him towards the fun and expansion of Jupiter.
SsSsSnake Registered User (1/6/04 2:48 pm) Reply	Re: Prudery and sensuality... Etz could you do my chart sometime please ,you sound brill at it? June 14th 1950 at 2am:
SsSsSnake Registered User (1/6/04 2:50 pm) Reply	Re: Prudery and sensuality... oh in leicester england
SayItIsntSo Registered User (1/6/04 4:53 pm) Reply	Re: Results From Kriya *Quote:* There is a part of your quote I'm not sure I understand that goes "The seed will not germinate in the soil if one is above body conciousness". Do you know what this means? Does "germinate" mean getting and feeling results? Is it trying to say that "when you are above body consciousness" that you don't meditate? I don't know what it means off the top of my head. It was in PY's letter, written by him to a devotee.
SayItIsntSo Registered User (1/6/04 6:07 pm) Reply	Re: Results From Kriya You requested an email; but yours is also disabled. I hate to post my email here as I get so much spam. Also for obvious reasons, but I'll see what I can do. If I can enable my EZ board email... Will get back to you. SIIS
needthestar Registered User (1/6/04 7:04 pm) Reply	Email SIIS - thanks for trying. I've been getting inbox notes, so I'm not sure what the problem is unless both accounts must have their inbox enabled? You can emial me at my Yahoo account: hautchiebill@yahoo.com No I wouldn't post your personal email. Would love to correspond further - if you are unable I understand, I am grateful for what you've already done nonetheless. peace NTS
SayItIsntSo Registered User (1/6/04 8:57 pm) Reply	Re: Email Need: My EZ board Email should work now. I enabled it. Yours is not enabled. Look at topic: Life on the Inside: Nuns I wonder about. I posted my reasons for leaving SRF and don't want to repost and get any farther off topic. Edited by: SayItIsntSo at: 1/6/04 8:59 pm
ugizralrite Registered User (1/6/04 9:09 pm) Reply	The Outcome Plus �a change, plus c'est la m�me chose. $:\$
SsSsSnake Registered User (1/7/04 12:08 am) Reply	Re: The Outcome NTS here is a good link to Kriya stuff yoganiketan.net/
chuckle chela Registered User (1/7/04 12:22 am) Reply	Re: Yogananda's comment I think that the idea behind the statement is that kriya practice burns up the seeds of karma (the "samskaras") that are present as tendencies or impulses (latent or active). The idea, I think, is that through kriya practice one removes one's consciousness from identification with these bodily or material tendencies, and thus the "seeds" are roasted or wither up and die (metaphorically or astrally or whatever). It seems that Yogananda is simply stating what he sees as a fact: you either go with the flow and enjoy the material world or make an effort to take the consciousness within to realize a state of consciousness that surpasses a purely materialistic consciousness. Although it may seem like a harsh duality, perhaps in the end it resolves into a transcendent and immanent unity. Seems to me that most spiritual teachers have advocated some sort of act of separating oneself from a purely materialistic consciousness, although most also suggest that the consciousness ultimately resovles itself beyond dualities. Having said that, it does seem that the "fear" message in this sort of example, not to mention all the other apparent fear messages within the SRF culture, have turned off a lot of people, and that this needs to be discussed. The only other comment I have is that Yogananda's comments reminded me of a remark of Ken Wilber's, and I offer it in a spirit of fun . . . I think: "Real compassion kicks butt and takes names. If you are not ready for this fire, then find a New Age, sweetness- and-light, perpetually smiling teacher. . . . But stay away from those who practice real compassion because they will fry your ass, my friend." -- Ken Wilber, One Taste, May 25th entry.
etzchaim Registered User (1/7/04 5:55 am) Reply	Re: Yogananda's comment Thanks Chuckle Chela. I always appreciate your posts. "Identification with" clarifies much of it for me. As he was speaking to a particular disciple, the statement was most likely germane to her and her needs and understanding at the time. I heartily agree the statement from Ken Wilber, though I think it's wise to go through the growing pain, plateau for a bit, and then go for the next growing pain before life or someone specific kicks you in the butt to remind you to grow.
etzchaim Registered User (1/7/04 8:01 am) Reply	Re: Prudery and sensuality... Snake, will do. That should be fun. There's some awesome Jungian oriented Astrologers in England. Liz Greene comes to mind. She's based in London and co-founded the Centre for Psychological Astrology.
SsSsSnake Registered User (1/7/04 10:09 am) Reply	Re: Prudery and sensuality... Thanks Etc by the way only just found out your of the fairer sex .:
jyotirmoy Registered User (1/19/04 2:18 pm) Reply	Re: Results From Kriya With much appreciation I have been reading this thread. I was given kriya initiation in September 1958 by Bro.Bhaktananda and was counseled about my spiritual journey, which was leading into monastic life at MWC, by Brahmachari Leland Standing, later to be called Bro.Mokshananda. Two saintly souls. Although I became a monastic elsewhere, I have been keeping my commitment to kriya practice. I especially like the exchange between Needthestar and Yellowbeard (especially page three of this thread). I think healthy scepticism is OK, except if it blocks practice; it should accompany practice. But devotion is primary. I have found kriya yoga to be a way to the heart and from the heart to God (see "The Holy Science" by Sri Yukteswar). I also agree about "tailoring" kriya to oneself. It isn't a "one size fits all", imho.
SsSsSnake Registered User (1/19/04 3:56 pm) Reply	Re: Results From Kriya Wow Man you been doing Kriya for 46 years wow,Please can you give us some idea of if you get the breath to stop easy now or are you still learning ? do you have all four kriyas ? please any stuff on the practice would be appreciated. 46 years wow,thats a long time.
SsSsSnake Registered User (1/19/04 6:14 pm) Reply	Re: Results From Kriya Isnt the breathless state the main aim of doing Hong sau and Kriya? This is my understanding aftre re reading the lessons on them. ">www.pranayama.org/message...tml
SsSsSnake Registered User (1/19/04 6:16 pm) Reply	Re: Results From Kriya www.pranayama.org/message...07-99.html
ugizralrite Registered User (1/19/04 8:57 pm) Reply	Re: Results From Kriya From an earlier post by me: "There are several trick claims that we encounter when we study yoga literature. Among them are siddhis, "seek God first and all things will be added to you", breathlessness, invisibility, becoming all-knowing, dissolving the body at will, creating planets, and so forth. Any one of these may be accomplished by the simple act of identifying with the infinite and unconditioning the mind from belief in the finite (as being something separate from the infinite). When we identify with the infinite we acknowledge it as the source of all apparent phenomena, thus we become capable of all the trick claims." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As far as breathlessness is concerned, I have never been able to figure out why someone would want to die before their time. Yogananda said it prolonged life, but he dropped dead at a fairly young age. Sorry, but of all the boondoggles on the SRF table breathlessness is the biggest, it is counter-intuitive, and pointless. This guy at the Pranayama web site in Arizona has picked up the breathlessness banner and is now flogging others with this stupid belief. We all will be breathless soon enough. What's the rush? Such hurdles to spiritual happiness are inhuman, and irresponsible, and are a complete load of crap. Go to a sideshow and see the breathless geek for fifty cents, and oh yeah, the heart stopped geek for another fifty cents. Thinking you must leave this world through breathlessness so that you can find God in another place is like saying God is not in this world.