>
SRF Walrus
Mt. Washington, Ca
Open discussions about SRF
Gold Community SRF Walrus
    > SRF Teachings and Ideals
        > Are the teachings bad?		 New Topic    Add Reply

Page 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
<< Prev Topic | Next Topic >>
Author Comment
dawnrays
Registered User
(12/18/03 10:54 am)
Reply 		character issues
I have recieved help on the astral plane, mainly because I wanted it. I don't know that it was because I was "advanced".

I have also suffered greatly, but I don't blame anybody.

Sometimes you just have to stop blaming people. Sometimes even gurus (like Christ) have to "suffer greatly". Rama Krishna had painful throat cancer and I imagine he suffered.

You have said before that you think only "fully realized guru's" should be dispensing kriya. Well, etzchaim's guru never made that claim so I guess she isn't as safe as you thought.

Sometimes friends or counselors (even people not on the spiritual path) can be gurus. It doesn't have to be a formal arrangement, but you seem so obsessed with negativity, it's hard to imagine that anybody is ever going to help you.

It's also easy to critisize someone who is dead. If you're not obsessing over court records and other damning and "factual" evidence, you're critizing him for not "helping people on the astral plane". How in the world do you know that he hasn't and who are you to judge, anyway?

What kind of character and "honor" I wonder does it display to malign a person on a message board with lies, half truths and innuendo for two years under three different handles? It wouldn't even matter who it was, it's deceitful and low and you are in no position to judge anybody's character, in my opinion.

Your issues believe me, having little or nothing to do with kriya, they are character issues or perhaps mental health ones. You cannot expect to behave in this manner and make progress spiritually, no matter how many kriyas you do. This is not a thing also, that Master can even help you with since you spend most of your time maligning him, anyway.

nagchampa2
Registered User
(12/18/03 11:16 am)
Reply 		kriya
(This message was left blank)

Edited by: nagchampa2 at: 12/23/03 7:38 am
etzchaim
Registered User
(12/18/03 12:14 pm)
Reply 		Re: kriya
This site looks interesting:

www.ecomall.com/gopikrishna/

I had heard of him, but didn't know much about him. There's exerpts from his books on this site. While I haven't read the site, he doesn't seem negative about Kundalini, he seems like he became aware that people needed more information about it. I find it rather fascinating that he discusses Kundalini as an evolutionary force.

In trying to figure out the effects of Kriya, I recall it being described to me as a 'slow awakening of the Kundalini" with the force of the Kundalini being distributed in small amounts, up and down the Chakric system, as it us gradually woken up through the pranayama and centered through the Hatha exercises and other yoga techniques.

etzchaim
Registered User
(12/18/03 12:17 pm)
Reply 		Re: character issues
"I have recieved help on the astral plane, mainly because I wanted it. I don't know that it was because I was "advanced"."

There appears to be a number of Astral beings who are helpful, if you ask, or pray for it. There's also a number of Astral beings who aren't too cool... you have to be careful, like with physical beings.

nagchampa2
Registered User
(12/18/03 12:38 pm)
Reply 		Re: kriya
(This message was left blank)

Edited by: nagchampa2 at: 12/23/03 7:44 am
nagchampa2
Registered User
(12/18/03 1:01 pm)
Reply 		Re: character issues
(This message was left blank)

Edited by: nagchampa2 at: 12/23/03 7:45 am
etzchaim
Registered User
(12/18/03 1:56 pm)
Reply 		book review
Well, that sure shows how a well rounded program could benefit a person, as opposed to one technique with no knowledge of anything else! I suspect that if Gopi Krishna wandered a bit more and asked a few more people, he might have been able to get more information. It's true that most people are not going to have any real information about Yoga and the effects of meditation, but there really are teachers out there and there is information on Kundalini that can be gotten that is legitimate information. I guess "karma" is the best way to describe that.

This makes me feel really good about talking things out on the Walrus, though!

nagchampa2
Registered User
(12/18/03 2:43 pm)
Reply 		powers

Edited by: nagchampa2 at: 12/23/03 7:45 am
nagchampa2
Registered User
(12/18/03 2:48 pm)
Reply 		Re: book review
(This message was left blank)

Edited by: nagchampa2 at: 12/23/03 7:46 am
etzchaim
Registered User
(12/19/03 5:37 am)
Reply 		Re: powers
"great masters seldom see fit to display their powers openly"

Yup. Seldom. Does it make someone a complete fake if they have a personality issue?

Now really, Nagchampa, expecting someone to be absolutely perfect may be an issue with YOU, as well.

Because Yogananda thought powers were really cool and liked to use them, is not a really good reason to assume that he was of absolutely no value and not a legitimate Guru to those who were drawn to him. If you have an issue with magic then remain happy with a group of people who look upon the use of siddhis with disdain and be happy. I have no illusions about Yogananda having an ego issue. His moon was in Leo. I also have my moon in Leo. I can totally relate to him, however he's not my Guru. Every person I know who practices Yoga has an issue or two, and this includes the ones I hold in highest regard. Shivananda treated women like sh't, and that is just fact, much of the treatment of women in scripture portray us as bags of phlegm. Does that make him illigitimate? It makes him human.

I rather prefer the Tantric scripture, where at least women are viewed as viable spiritual creatures...and, oddly enough, there's a more relaxed view of siddhis. I still don't think an open display of siddhis is such a good idea, but in the scheme of things, Yogananda's issues were childs play. Very appropriate for him, because he was a bit of divine child himself. I find it more endearing than alarming. I can spend hours wandering around toy stores. Moon in Leo. Child. Play.

Yes, Yogananda was struggling with some ego issues, and his personality was really enthralled with the neato thingys he could do if he practiced Yoga. So what? Move on, I say! He inspired a good number of people in a place where rationality was king. SRF also needs to move on, so perhaps you were involved there for karmic reasons that you might wish to examine more deeply? With all due respect, there really does seem to be an issue with perfection lurking under yer skin.

If you are still here...if not, may everyone consider this an interesting aside from discussing whether Kriya actually works or not.

Edited by: etzchaim at: 12/19/03 6:55 am
Punk Yogi
Registered User
(12/19/03 12:16 pm)
Reply 		Moon in Leo
Punk agrees.

People with moon in Leo are naturally playful and love the stage. They like to make a grand impression.

If the Infinite is indeed Infinite, then the Inifinte has INFINITE modes of expression. Get it?


Last time Punk looked at his chart there was a moon lollygagging in the house of Leo. :D


bsjones
Registered User
(12/22/03 11:26 am)
Reply
ezSupporter
 Re: powers
Good points. My moon is in Leo btw.

chrisparis
Registered User
(12/22/03 12:06 pm)
Reply 		Re: Psychiatric Casualties part II
Dear YB,

You keep quoting articles about the dangers of meditation that seem to be focused on the outcomes of TM. This isn't germane to kriya. If you websearch on any article, red wine, meditation, jogging, you will find articles that expound at length about the terrible dangers that *might* befall *some* people who pursue them. This DOESN'T mean these activities are dangerous in and of themselves. The real truth of the situation is that meditation has beneficial effects for MOST people, and numerous studies have found this to be so. The fact that there is some danger in meditiation practices from people who have psychiatric problems to begin with doesn't negate this,

In fact, I'd wager a pretty penny that if I went on Google and websearched on psychotropic substances, or hallucinogens, I would find waaaay more dire information about the negative impact than I would on meditation.

And yet here you are, bashing meditiation and promoting hallucinogens. Seems mighty odd to me.

etzchaim
Registered User
(12/23/03 6:28 am)
Reply 		Re: Psychiatric Casualties part II
Pointing out that SRF is imbalanced because they will not admit the dangers involved in opening up to higher levels of reality and the issues involved with waking the Kundalini up prematurely (without first burning off the blockages in a tolerable, slow, sane, way) is perfectly valid.

What is interesting, YB, is that you are not providing a 'balanced' understanding. Claiming that Meditation is dangerous and has no redeeming value is as balanced a viewpoint as SRF's. Equal to SRF. The other side of the coin. No better, in fact, to develop a valid understanding of the processes within the mind that occur when consciousness expands through either meditation, normal life experiences (accidents have caused the Kundalini to rise) or hallucinogins.

I agree with Chrisparis about the hypocracy of claiming drugs are fine (and I'm by no means against an intelligent use of drugs, though most people use them stupidly and because of escapist or dependency issues) and that meditation isn't.

etzchaim
Registered User
(12/23/03 9:57 am)
Reply 		Re: Psychiatric Casualties part II
Yellow Beard, it takes too much energy to keep repeating the same thing to you. If you can't see that many of us already know that there can be problems with meditation and the Kriya technique and are trying to have a discussion about it in a balanced and helpful way, and that constantly having to start over again with you, repeatedly, because you don't seem to process what we say, is taking away from the ability to do that.

Here's another futile attempt:
Kriya and TM are different schools of Yoga. It's kind of like Blue is a color and Yellow is a color. They are both colors, but they cause different reactions. That's why many of the issues from TM do not apply. We are trying to discuss the issues and problems that actually DO apply to Kriya and constantly having to weed through the TM problems is not helpful, at all. Help us stay on track and discuss (meaning listening to people, as well) the problems that apply to Kriya.

Punk Yogi
Registered User
(12/24/03 8:28 am)
Reply 		Results
Grasshopper...

He who spend whole lifetime doing something for which he get no results is man with mind of cow.

If a tree makes good shade, continue visiting it.



etzchaim
Registered User
(12/24/03 6:21 pm)
Reply 		Re: Results
Amen.

Chappy Chanuchah, Punky, and a merry new year. Joyful and Triumphant.

soulcircle
Registered User
(12/29/03 5:55 pm)
Reply 		any of us
Hi Guests and All,

Any of us and organizations are unbalanced if we drink the bunnies bliss.......or mainline the opium of any feel good dysfunctional house of worship, and check out on life.

on two issues I find a lack of wholeness at Richmond that keeps me completely away at times
and believe me, as with many of you these are two of many issues I have, and most people do, even if subconsciously!

their is a dumbing down of creativity to the point of excluding real thinkers from even being at Richmond

there are "speakers" at Richmond, lay people never called on to give sermons who are equal to any official/allowed speaker.
i.e monastics. these are speakers I wanna here some' da'

Dave

nagchampa2
Registered User
(12/30/03 7:43 am)
Reply 		Re: Psychiatric Casualties part II
(This message was left blank)

Edited by: nagchampa2 at: 1/7/04 6:37 am
ugizralrite
Registered User
(12/30/03 11:39 am)
Reply 		Reactions to Sadhana
nagchampa2, Your quote from Swami Yatiswarananda is worth saving. It is very good counsel. Thanks.

Page 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 << Prev Topic | Next Topic >>

Add Reply

Email This To a Friend Email This To a Friend
Topic Control Image Topic Commands
Click to receive email notification of replies Click to receive email notification of replies
Click to stop receiving email notification of replies Click to stop receiving email notification of replies
jump to:

- SRF Walrus - SRF Teachings and Ideals -



Powered By ezboardŽ Ver. 7.32
Copyright Š1999-2005 ezboard, Inc.