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Terrie Unregistered User (3/3/02 2:06 pm) Reply	Krishna-Babaji? Here's a question I've been wondering about for a long time. Somewhere on the Ananda site it says that the original SRF prayer included "Krishna-Babaji," and that there was no separate identity given to Krishna, since they were the same person. Then later (after Yogananda's death?) a picture of Krishna was put on the alters and the prayer was changed. Does anyone know anything about this? If the prayer was changed, was this for devotees who worshipped Krishna? And did Yogananda definitely say that Krishna and Babaji were the same person?
username Registered User (3/3/02 3:37 pm) Reply	krishna The higher kriya initiations use a krishna mantra. So SRF members are worshipping krishna. I think that is where the picture is coming from
Terrie Unregistered User (3/3/02 7:54 pm) Reply	Krishna Mantra? A Krishna mantra? I have the higher inititations from SRF (not practicing them yet), but there's nothing there about a Krishna mantra.
username Registered User (3/3/02 8:22 pm) Reply	krishna mantra see other teachings - krishna mantra - om namo bhagavate vasudevaya OM - om - NAW MO - namo - salutations, bow, root: nam- to salute, to honour BHAW GAW BAW TA - bhagavate - another name for Lord Krishna. root: bhaj- to revere, love; Krishna also called Bhagavan as in Bhagavan Gita (Song of Krishna) BA SU - vasu - 1) the abode, the dweller,2) the 104th, 270th and 696th name of Lord Vishnu 3) the Lord within whom abides (vansanti) in all beings is called Vasu, the dweller. root: vas - to dwell DA BA YAW - devaya - born of the gods, a power of light, a shining one. root: div- to shine. Vasudeva - The God of Wealth PRONUNCIATION GUIDE TO SANSKRIT e like e in they v as in vine This mantra is again shown on page 175 in Tyberg's The language of the Gods: Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya and written again with long vowels shown as capital letters: om namo bhagavate vAsudevAya The question remains in my mind, why is SRF pronoucing the V sound as a B. The best that I've been able to come up with is that Yogananda was a Bengali speaker and in the Bengali language there is no letter of the alphabet that would represent a V sound. Also, when SRF uses the BAW instead of BA are they saying that BAW is B with a long A; and BA is B with a short A. If this is the case, is SRF changing a mantra to Krishna into just a collection of gibberish sounds that mean nothing or worse - some sort of insult to Lord Krishna? Is this going to get anyone to God? Edited by: username at: 3/4/02 3:19:38 am
Ringbearer Unregistered User (3/3/02 9:21 pm) Reply	Krishna-Babaji The Krishna-Babaji connection is something that goes back to Lahiri Mahasaya.
truth Unregistered User (3/4/02 12:39 am) Reply	krishna and SRF The picture of Krisnha was added by SRF for let us say political reasons. I think it is similar to the extra "a" in Param(a)hansa. For Indians (most of them Hindus) Krishna is important.
Terrie Unregistered User (3/4/02 9:52 am) Reply	Sanskrit, Krishna-Babaji Username, thanks for the lesson in Sanskrit!! But I see that there are questions there.... But does anyone know if Yogananda actually said that Babaji is Krishna??
Ed West Unregistered User (3/4/02 6:25 pm) Reply	Yogananda Yup, he definately did. He said that Babaji was an incarnation of Krishna, and he was an incarnation of Arjuna. This is why he was so close to Babaji, and why he was able to have such a great understanding of the Gita. For this lifetime, Yukteswar was his guru by proxy. (Since they were all fully realized Christs, it probably doesn't matter who the guru is... what's important is finding a realized guru!) I believe Durga Ma talks about this in her book... Edwardo West
Edwardo West Unregistered User (3/4/02 6:26 pm) Reply	Re: Yogananda regarding Durga Ma, I meant she talked about Yogananda being an incarnation of Arjuna in her book...
Terrie Unregistered User (3/4/02 8:34 pm) Reply	Thanks Thanks very much, Ed West. I've ordered Durga Ma's book.
AumBoy Registered User (3/4/02 9:26 pm) Reply ezSupporter	Re: Yogananda Also, Sri Yukteswar is St. Francis.
Ed West Unregistered User (3/4/02 9:36 pm) Reply	Yukteswar Aumboy - where is the reference to Yukteswar being St. Francis? (A bit surprising, with Yukteswar being a Jnana, I don't know much about St. Francis, I thought he was more devotional... ?)
AumBoy Registered User (3/5/02 7:44 pm) Reply ezSupporter	Re: Yukteswar Hi Ed, This comment was made in answer to a question at a satsang I attended. There is much history in, or surrounding, SRF that is not generally admitted or talked about. I think this is due to the tendency to dismiss things as phenomena or distractions that can keep one from the goal of God realization. It is not written anywhere that I know of. Also, my understanding is that Master, in a former incarnation, was William the Conqueror. There are many in and out of the monastic order who believe this and have books and have done research. (Also, I heard that William's daughter was Daya Ma and there are other stories of monks/nuns who had other roles then. You may hear things if you hang around some of the older monastics long enough.) About Master being Shakespeare, I'm not so sure, although I've heard this, too. Priscilla at Amrita is endeavoring to put together the history of Kriya in the US. She wrote to me that Lahiri's Kriya and Yogananda's Kriya are different. She's doing this because this history remains undocumented, or rather, it remains a secret. *Quote:* A bit surprising, with Yukteswar being a Jnana, I don't know much about St. Francis, I thought he was more devotional... ? This is funny! This is almost the exact statement many others made after the satsang. I don't think we can limit God (or His saints) by what they did in one life. Of course, it's our belief system or paradigm through which we're filtering information. God ain't limited by His laws.
username Registered User (3/5/02 8:13 pm) Reply	Re: Yukteswar if priscilla is going to base her opinion of lahiri's kriya on that shibendu fellow , who she sponsered to come to the US, please be advised that shibendu's second and later initiations are made up. Also, it would be best to avoid Shibendu because he has been having "trouble with women" in almost every country he visits. But you might want to find out if Priscilla managed to get a copy of shibendu's father's kriya notes. They are written in bengali, so she might need help translating them.
kevin Unregistered User (3/6/02 1:19 pm) Reply	Yogananda was Arjuna? Yes, it seems that according to the informal teachings of SRF (the tradition passed down from the first disciples) Yogananda claimed to have been Arjuna. But the same is true of , if I remember well, Ramakrishna Paramhansa, I forgot if it was exactly him or his disciple Vivekananda. How is it that two Masters claim the same thing? this is where it gets interesting: Hindus claim that a God or avatar has "Emanations" so that when Rama was incarnated his own brother and wife were just a couple of his emanations. It is a dangerous topic because so speculative. who really knows? I like to think that when a Master claims that he 'incarnates' qualities of that Special Incarnation, in this case Arjuna, the perfect disciple, prince of renunciation and self control. At the end.... it is all God!
Careful Unregistered User (3/6/02 2:19 pm) Reply	A little Vedanta... *Quote:* At the end.... it is all God! Yes, from the point of view of a fully self-realized being. But while we're under the influence of maya/delusion we still have to be careful. Osama bin Laden is God too, but I wouldn't want to be taken hostage by him or one of his nice Al Qaeda buddies. They're God too, but no thanks...

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