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etzchaim Registered User (1/8/04 6:04 am) Reply	Re: Good deed Well done!! I'm in favor of compassion for people who have been hurt, including our own selves, when we are healing. Two steps forward, one step backward, two steps forward, etc., is also a normal way to move along on the path. Tough love is a technique, but we do need to make sure that it is truly love that is coming out of us when we are using that one and not part of our own issues, which we all have, so no judgment on anyone here. Dawnrays, you might want to look at your current progressions. If you don't have the software for that, let me know in my in-box. Bottling up would be a bad idea, but you might be really irritated for a couple of years and may wish to get to the bottom of it, internally, sooner than later.
chela2020 Registered User (1/8/04 8:17 am) Reply	SayItIsn'tSo SayItIsn'tSo, Welcome back. You have to consider the source when people on this board blast you. Some actually cannot help themselves, and the more you tell them that they are abusive towards others, the less they hear you. Sometimes, I think people like Dawnrays comes into that catagory. She obviously can't help but not be abusive, and then she denies being so. And then as all groups go, according to a philosopher, maybe Eric Hoffer, they eventually degenerate. Much like what was written in the book "The Lord of the Flies." It seems that power corrupts, and it is my belief that either Walrus gave up trying to stop abuse on this board, or have become like the abusers that they once left, i.e. SRF. It is also my belief that some of those committe members of Walrus are posting on this board. Being here a long time, I finally figured it out.
redpurusha Registered User (1/8/04 12:02 pm) Reply	Re: SayItIsn'tSo chela, yeh I also was thinking recently that this walrus person, or people, must be posting here regularly. So, it has to be one of us. It's not me. Maybe the walrus is you? I don't know, but I'll guess he's posting here under some name. And I would also guess it's not a group of people or "Walrus Committee" but only one ex-monk. Whoever he is, he's loyal to Yogananda. But I don't know who it is (and don't care). Edited by: redpurusha at: 1/8/04 12:11 pm
rachelcorrie Registered User (1/8/04 1:01 pm) Reply	etzchaim thank you for your compassion people are beautiful creations you, all here and I care, often more than we know
chela2020 Registered User (1/8/04 1:51 pm) Reply	Re: SayItIsn'tSo Redpurusha, I don't think the Walrus is you. I know several who it isn't. Edited by: chela2020 at: 1/12/04 7:20 am
OneTaste Registered User (1/8/04 9:38 pm) Reply	Leave dawnrays alone *Quote:* what you have done, if I may cite one example, is insulted YellowBeard420 personally calling him a "pathetic wimp." This and others’ tut-tutting is too much. This is the second time you’ve sought to make an issue of this and I have to wonder. Why is Dawnrays alone getting grief from people all of a sudden? Why is it somehow a big deal that she personally insulted yb, but no problem that he insults everyone on this board (for those not paying attention, yb agrees with another poster that everyone here is a “shthead and complete moron”), continually calls Yogananda a thief and a liar, and derides everything about the teachings? You don’t have anything to say about that, but you are jumping on dawnrays?* What’s that all about? It’s just another example of the odd dynamic of the board that it is ok to say anything and everything, no matter how rude or obnoxious as long as it is directed at SRF or Yogananda, but if anything of similar tone is turned toward any of the folks here, it is suddenly verboten and the tut-tutters come a calling with cries of gentleness and propriety. Either hold everyone to the same standard or leave it alone and let folks express themselves as they will.
dawnrays Registered User (1/9/04 4:13 am) Reply	Chela2020... Not in the mainstream.... WARNING... Chela2020 COMING INTO QUESTION... Great idea Chela! Can I start my own NOT IN THE MAINSTREAM thread about Chela2020? Ofcourse I would need your real name. We could discuss your various postings under Nagchampa or one of your other handles... As well as most (if not all) of any of your other personal business we could get our hands on... No detail would be too intimate or intriguing for open airing and discussion... Insults, potshots and name calling will all be allowed, but only if directed at you. Serious questioning of your morals and motivations will also be interesting topics of discussion.. Hopefully you would be kind enough to supply us with a list of any sexual liasons you have had, as well as any other personal information we might require... Oh yea! And another thing, you yourself will not be allowed to participate in this discussion. Edited by: dawnrays at: 1/9/04 4:31 am
dawnrays Registered User (1/9/04 5:07 am) Reply	Re: Chela2020... Not in the mainstream.... Oh! That's right, you deleted all of those posts... Perhaps they are archived and (the evil) Walrus can ressurect them... Gracious, for person "who finds it so hard to talk to Yogandanda's devotees about him", you sure seem anxious to get the ball rolling again...
etzchaim Registered User (1/9/04 5:48 am) Reply	Re: Leave dawnrays alone Hey OneTaste, I've been trying to give YB grief since he got here! I'm insulted by this obvious overlooking of my subtle nastiness. My problem is that his posts are so long and repetitive, filled with so many projections and obvious ego issues, that I just get fatigued. I'll work on it though. Etzy
soulcircle Registered User (1/9/04 5:56 am) Reply	agreed etzchaim after reading a few posts by YellowBeard420 I noticed what you mention etzchaim and don't read his posts anymore One Taste, perhaps that's why I missed him calling everyone names.
YellowBeard420 Slow Down (1/9/04 6:21 am) Reply	Don't Get Too Excited > Dawnrays wrote: "No detail would be too intimate or intriguing for open airing and discussion... Insults, potshots and name calling will all be allowed ... you yourself will not be allowed to participate in this discussion." Yogananda chose the spotlight and established himself as a "God-realized" person. People have a right to question this assertion, if they do not, anyone will be able to make such claims. And I'm sure you would have to agree that would not be a good idea. Even though Yogananda is passed on and cannot defend himself against such claims, his teachings very strongly affect peoples lives. That's why we're all here. These teachings have affected us in different ways. To you, they may be a blessing; to others, they may be something else altogether. It's like with L. Ron Hubbard, his teachings hold a lot of power and influence over people. Scientologists view him as a man that figured out the answers to all the causes of human suffering. Even though Hubbard is no longer alive, it's important for people to still be able to question his integrity and his teachings as well. Don't worry about his defense, his organization legally harasses anyone that questions him and his "self-help" techniques to any significant degree. It's similar with Yogananda, there's no need to worry about his defense because nearly everyone here will defend him. And his teachings and written works speak for themselves. Ultimately it doesn't matter what anyone says about them. Yogananda's teachings stand just find on their own. ----------- > OneTaste wrote: "Why is Dawnrays alone getting grief from people all of a sudden?" Umm, maybe it's because she's harassing an ex-monastic that is simply speaking on his experiences. She doesn't like his conclusions so she lashes out as usual. This board is set up for recovering ex-monastics, but if they dare put the guru into question, people get a free pass to rip them a new one. Aren't we suppose to respect the process that the ex-monastics are going through here even if they end up going in directions that are different from our own? That's what this board is for. The rest of us are just visitors. You wanna praise Yogananda until you're blue in the face -- there's more appropriate places to do it than here. Some may say here, "look who's talking". Well YellowBeard has not personally attacked any of the monastics here. He generally tries to steer clear of them so that they can do their process in relative peace. If they wanna try the non-dual path, they can take a look into what YellowBeard says on that. Otherwise he steers clear. The people YellowBeard debates are the "tourists" here. -------------- > Soulcircle: "after reading a few posts by YellowBeard420 I noticed what you mention etzchaim and don't read his posts anymore" This is why YellowBeard is commenting on this thread. His name keeps popping up here, heaven only knows why. He's not here to crash this thread or to discuss disturbing issues such as putting the guru-disciple relationship into question. He's simply addressing a few issues here without using any offense or insult. So don't get too excited.
dawnrays Registered User (1/9/04 6:36 am) Reply	Re: Don't Get Too Excited Actually YB (and don't get too excited)... If you will reread my posts and his posts (and also the other posts of his I was referring to in various other threads) you would see that that was not what I was doing at all.. As usual, you skim over the topic and come to your own (preconcieved) conclusions.. It is actual a very common saying of mine against detractors of this board (and you have been on occasion, before you warmed up to it) that people have a right to talk about "their own first hand experiences of srf"... I have said it many, many times to counter the accusations that other people (like you, you change sides more often than Nagchampa, you have defended srf on occasion, even to the point of calling people's complaints against it "petty", so don't suddenly start grandstanding in favor of the monastics). Anyway, he took those words right out of my mouth, just as he (so often!) tries to condemn Yogananda with his own words, phrases and ideas.. and as you do. I will say again, a person's personal belief system and/or meditation technique or teacher is none of yours or his business.. You are extremely contrary and take personal offense to losing an argument... I have no doubt whatsoever, that if we all suddenly agreed with you, you would be very disturbed and find another topic to argue about... Some people just high enjoy the conflict and drama..
etzchaim Registered User (1/9/04 6:47 am) Reply	Re: Don't Get Too Excited "You are extremely contrary and take personal offense to losing an argument... I have no doubt whatsoever, that if we all suddenly agreed with you, you would be very disturbed and find another topic to argue about... Some people just high enjoy the conflict and drama.. " Oh my, oh my, Dawnrays, you are as sharp as a razor!
chela2020 Registered User (1/9/04 7:57 am) Reply	Re: (This message was left blank) Edited by: chela2020 at: 1/12/04 7:21 am
dawnrays Registered User (1/9/04 8:51 am) Reply	Re: Chela2020... Not in the mainstream.... I never "chased you off the board". As per usual, you are holding other people responsible for your own actions. You left out of pure humiliation for losing your ridiculous arguments and spins. Then, you deceitfully came back under several ideas out of pure spite and malice to spread your viscous gossip from your "secret" sources and attack unsuspecting people whom you were afraid to approach under your original ID. You have always displayed a viscouse and passive/agressive attitude disguised as "helping people" to know "the truth". You seem to have an unhealthy focus and obsession with Yogananda that borders on some kind of mental illness... I previously suggested to you that you seek professional help, which I believe you need... None of your real problems have anything to do with Yogananda.
chela2020 Registered User (1/9/04 9:28 am) Reply	Re: Chela2020... Not in the mainstream.... Dawnrays, You do try to chase people off the board. I believe this is really all about you; not me.
redpurusha Registered User (1/9/04 11:28 am) Reply	Re: Chela2020... Not in the mainstream.... chele/nagchamp, you wrote "Yogananda doesn't have to be here to defend himself. His court record speaks for itself. " I'm not sure if I understand your comment correctly (and could be completly off here), but from what I heard he was involved in two court cases against him and he won one and lost another. That's better than Jesus' record of 0-1. People are falsely conviced all the time or wrong sentences are given out. Courts make mistakes and to lean on their judement too much could lead to a false impression of a particular person. Anway, supposedly you got some dirt on PY, I've heard the rumors but never seen any concrete evidence. Kobe Bryant was recently accused or rape, yet there's video footage of the alleged victim smiling and going back to work after the incident (among many other pieces of evidence against her). This case is unrelated to Yogananda's but I just wanted to point out that there's always two sides to every story and if you only heard one and not of Yogananda's then maybe you can't be so sure of the truth behind it.
OneTaste Registered User (1/9/04 12:22 pm) Reply	Re: Leave dawnrays alone *Quote:* Hey OneTaste, I've been trying to give YB grief since he got here! I'm insulted by this obvious overlooking of my subtle nastiness. Etz, I am no stranger to nastiness, subtle or otherwise, as a quick perusal of my posts will show. However, I am more referring to blatant straight out “pathetic wimp” or “you are an idiot” type stuff. You know, the kind you felt you needed to apologize for calling yb the other day. Why I don’t know, except that that’s the way it is around here. I remember a thread that ripped Uma Ma up and down for being stoopid, stoopid, stoopid and no one had a problem with it. All the ugliness that is launched at the folks on the hill is ok, but non-subtle regular ol’ ad hominem and stir is only to aimed in that direction, not here. Mind you, I’m not saying that I’m bothered by the salty stuff. I have no problem with it whatsoever. Sometimes ya just gotta call a spade a spade and so it goes. I do bridle at the treacly sweetness and light crowd overlooking this while pouncing on that. And when the finger-wagging comes from someone who wafts sanctimoniously, well, it sets my teeth on edge. Please don’t think I haven’t noticed your subtle nastiness, though, dear. I don’t want you to feel your efforts are going to waste. *Quote:* My problem is that his posts are so long and repetitive, filled with so many projections and obvious ego issues, that I just get fatigued. It’s pretty flagrant, isn’t it? Lurid paranoid narcissism being what it is and all. You would think it wouldn’t be so difficult to realize that one's own particular issues are not everyone’s issues, but the projection is awesome. Maybe it’s just self-loathing. For someone who goes on about how we’re all on being, he sure does hate himself, eh?
chela2020 Registered User (1/9/04 1:23 pm) Reply	Re: (This message was left blank) Edited by: chela2020 at: 1/12/04 7:22 am
OneTaste Registered User (1/9/04 1:57 pm) Reply	Re: Don't Get Too Excited *Quote:* > OneTaste wrote: "Why is Dawnrays alone getting grief from people all of a sudden?" Umm, maybe it's because she's harassing an ex-monastic that is simply speaking on his experiences. This isn’t true in the least. If you look at xmonks posts, there isn’t anything at all about his personal experience. Nada. And she pointed that out in a way that a saucy sailor like Yellowbeard’s self should appreciate: “I have given ALOT more information here than you have the balls to....” I asked him directly to lay out what made daily life in the ashram so horrible. For all the personal experience he provides, he might as well be me, cutting and pasting old posts from the board. But that isn’t all he’s doing and that isn’t at all what has dawnrays hot. If you look at his posts they are consistent in two regards. The first is they blast everything about SRF and agree with you re the emperor sans sartorial splendor. Fine. But the second part, xmonk’s sermon re the deal directly with God stuff, well, as she points out, this very message has Y’s fingerprints all over it. And this is the same thing I called him on right from the jump when he showed up again after a few years away: “Wow. So radical, little Luther. You go, guy. No need to entagle yourself with the gurus or the scriptures that you received these brilliant ideas from, is there? What, you thought these ideas were some sort of rejection of all that hide-bound stuff? You are spouting party line, mr. xmonk, complete with his language. Where’d you learn it? Oh, right, that guru you now reject. Why didn’t you add the part about not begging, but demanding from our heavenly father and complete the deal? Who do you think you are fooling?” The point is that it’s noxious to hear someone come on here and wax condescendingly about how we’re all deluded and then go on and give us the unvarnished TRUTH. When that same TRUTH has been a staple of the very gurus and scriptures that are now being railed against, well the irony is glaring and the hypocrisy is galling.

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