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etzchaim
Registered User
(1/9/04 6:19 am)
Reply 		The dead talking
In grand imitation of quoting the Beatles, here we go again, goo goo ga choo: (note: much later in day, Etzchaim realizes she has ill-translated the much reveared Beatles sound, it filtering through her in Alt-Country fashion rather than in true Beatles format, so this should really read: "goo goo g'joob". She apologizes even for the Alt-Country version, which should really read: "goo goo ga choo da lay he ho". Thank you for being patient).

There'll come a time when all of us must leave here
Then nothing sister Mary can do
Will keep me here with you
As nothing in this life that I've been trying
Could equal or surpass the art of dying
Do you believe me?

There'll come a time when all your hopes are fading
When things that seemed so very plain
Become an awful pain
Searching for the truth among the lying
And answered when you've learned the art of dying

But you're still with me
But if you want it
Then you must find it
But when you have it
There'll be no need for it

There'll come a time when most of us return here
Brought back by our desire to be
A perfect entity
Living through a million years of crying
Until you've realized the Art of Dying
Do you believe me?

Edited by: etzchaim at: 1/9/04 4:34 pm
ugizralrite
Registered User
(1/9/04 8:41 am)
Reply 		Go Swami
Deep down in Louisiana, close to New Orleans
Way back up in the woods, among the evergreens
There stand a country cabin, made of tar and wood
Where lives a country boy named Swami B. Goode
He never really learned to read or write a book so well
He could play his guitar just like a-ringing the bell

Go, go, go, Swami, go, go, go
Go, Swami, go, go, go
Go, Swami, go, go, go
Go, Swami, go, go, go
Swami B. Goode

;)

etzchaim
Registered User
(1/9/04 10:10 am)
Reply 		Re: Go Swami
LOL...

OneTaste
Registered User
(1/9/04 3:47 pm)
Reply 		Re: Like Talking to the Dead
Quote:
You do seem awfully worried about that debate challenge considering it wasn't directed towards you ... or perhaps it was? Your posts do seem a bit fishy and conveniently timed.


Fishy, yes, mr. seagoing sir. And you are the fish. Let me hip you to something that seems obvious to everyone but you: Folks are mocking you, dude. That’s why One Taste and others have started playing with the third person stuff. Why you fail to recognize this and take everything so seriously is beyond me, but whatever. How you construed anything I wrote as being worried about anything, well, that's part of what made engaging with you lose its luster. You just can't seem to pick up nuance, near nuance, or even blatantcy if it doesnt' fit your preconceived notion of what is going on.


Quote:
> OneTaste: "Hmm. Just now, I notice thatpilgrim is on the board at the same time as One Taste! How do I do that?"

You seem to be trying awfully hard to try to counter this claim with some not so clever tricks. If you're not Thatpilgrim, then you're just an instigator, which is actually worse than trying to defend yourself with another username.

Trying awfully hard? This is way too easy, yb. No, I am not thatpilgrim, and yes, I am instigating. Thank Self you finally got one half right. Why you would think that is worse eludes, given that your raison detre here is wholly instigation (as a form of self-therapy), but then One Taste stopped looking for consistency from you long ago.

You will notice yb, that folks generally don’t get involved with you much anymore. That’s why you have to ratchet up your aggressiveness and resort to your silly-ass Debate Challenges and snide stuff re guru worship and all that. You thrive on controversy, as has been pointed out, and you need the attention. Your board is a bomb, so you have to bring your schtick over here. And it’s an old song by now, so you are losing your playmates and popping your buttons trying to get back in the game.

I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’ll tell you the reason I quit responding. As I said from the start, you either don’t or can’t read what people say because you have to fit everything into your anti-guru agenda. (Deprogrammer, deprogram thyself before you worry about us morons.) It’s laughable to watch, but after awhile, it becomes boring to participate in it. It’s no fun engaging with someone when they miss all of your points and make ludicrous assumptions about things you are saying. Also, when One Taste examines your stuff closely, too much of it doesn’t make sense, isn’t consistent, or otherwise points up serious personal issues that you are flagrantly projecting onto everyone else. Top all that off with your raging hyperbole and utter disingenousness, and well, enough is enough. So I stopped responding to you and Self alone knows why I am bothering now, but so be it.

Chuckles, a sterling and even-handed person if ever there was one, is trying to give you a gentle hint, but you are blind to it. You have such a need to be the Persecuted One that you garble the clearest messages. Look, stay and play your fierce pirate of truth games all you want. He’s not asking you to roll over or leave, nor am I. He’s telling you gently what I am telling you straight out: You are looking like an idiot more and more, and a humorless, paranoid, grasping, needy, and deeply troubled one at that.

Your previous statements about your motives for being here to the contrary, this really isn't the place for you to do your therapy.

Calling me or anyone a guru-worshipper or other rantings isn't going to change this fact one bit. And that's the truth, o irate pirate of such.

Edited by: OneTaste at: 1/9/04 4:13 pm
etzchaim
Registered User
(1/9/04 4:53 pm)
Reply 		Re: Like Talking to the Dead
"Also, when One Taste examines your stuff
closely, too much of it doesn’t make sense, isn’t consistent, or otherwise points up serious personal issues that
you are flagrantly projecting onto everyone else. Top all that off with your raging hyperbole and utter
disingenousness, and well, enough is enough. So I stopped responding to you and Self alone knows why I am
bothering now, but so be it."

Etzchaim blaims this sort of thing, responding to something she knows she should not be responding to, on rampant and unwarrented attacks from subliminal impressions, or perhaps even from a vigilante, dissociated, subliminal subject, that is carrying material suppressed due to its incompatable nature, that has not yet been burnt off, or exposed to the light of day, hallaluyah, by repetitious, mind numbing meditation techniques.

YellowBeard420
Slow Down
(1/10/04 2:33 am)
Reply
Discarded Superstitions
> Etzchaim wrote: "My false Guru is Goswami Kriyananda ..."

Ah, the Chicago based "Temple of Kriya Yoga" Astrology-based cult. Thanks for the honest answer; and actually that's good to hear, YellowBeard was getting worried thinking that you belonged to the "Solar Logos" Kriya Yoga UFO cult. Although, the "Temple of Kriya Yoga" was on Cult Awareness Network's list *before* Scientology destroyed them with legal harassment and did a "hostile takeover" of the former cult buster group. The former Cult Awareness Network's list was not all that big, so there must have been something suspicious going on in the "Temple of kriya Yoga".

YellowBeard is just mentioning what he knows about the group, which really isn't much. He's not trying to attack your group. For your purposes, they might be just fine. You've mentioned that you've been able to challenge them on issues and that's actually good to hear, so obviously they're not too dogmatic.

> Etzchaim: "I'm an Aries, y'know."

YellowBeard reaches down and ruffles Etz's hair, "Sweetie that's fun".

In all seriousness, YellowBeard appreciates your honest post. But here's a problem with Astrology and any system that pigeonholes people:

> Etzchaim: "I bask in being feisty and aggressive and like to be the center of attention ..."

They say that your personality is one way and that's used as an excuse to behave in such a way, thinking that you're governed by the stars, fate or whatnot and that there's nothing you can do about it. This is why YellowBeard spoke out against Punk Yogi's personality typecasting. It's the same thing. If you tell someone that they're a criminal and they end up believing it, how do you think they're going to act? Everyone has *all* personality types within them. We have a choice as to how we chose to behave. People read their horoscopes and say, "wow, that's me". But try reading all the other ones as well that are supposedly for other people. Those work just fine too because they're all like Rorschach’s Blots. Now you don't believe in political conspiracy theories, but you believe in religious ones. Now it may be fun, and we all like to have fun and YellowBeard doesn't wanna ruin anyone's games, but when these games pigeonhole people they can be harmful. It's like with you, you feel you have a free pass to attack people and disrupt conversations to grab attention because, after all, you're an Aries, what can you do? The stars don't lie (you should really think how silly that sounds). To use an extreme example, Hitler believed in fate too and he felt that gave him a free pass as well because after all, it was his destiny. Was it, or did he just try to justify dealing with the world in a vicious way? Do you justify being vicious because the stars have fortold it?

The problem with the New Age scene is that they take all the discarded superstitions from various religions and piece them together to form some kind of monstrosity. No doubt it's fun playing with all these neatsie old toys in new packaging, but we should consider some of the possible consequences in getting mixed up in these discarded superstitions. They've been discarded for a reason.

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> OneTaste wrote: "He’s telling you gently what I am telling you straight out: You are looking like an idiot more and more"

That's an interesting comment coming from someone with their face on the floor. YellowBeard supposes it does look that way from the perspective *down* there, but last he's checked, the floor is for our feet. You hide from reality by planting your face on the ground, like that's going to help. And you're telling YellowBeard that he looks foolish?

Yellowbeard reaches down and straightens OneTaste's tie.

> OneTaste: "that's part of what made engaging with you lose its luster."

Why'd you come to this thread then with all your talk of nothing other than bringing up YellowBeard? It's not like you're here to discuss the topic of the thread. You're the one doing the engaging. Ohh wait, YellowBeard supposes that's part of his inability to "pick up nuance" that you've spoke on. Hmm, no, that's not it, you're still the one that came to YellowBeard to engage him here. In fact, YellowBeard doesn't think that he has *ever* engaged you personally other than in response. You're the one always crawling out of the woodwork after YellowBeard.

> OneTaste: "You will notice yb, that folks generally don’t get involved with you much anymore."

Umm, pardon me. YellowBeard doesn't mean to interrupt you, but you're still addressing me personally, what's your fascination? You sure seem to want to get involved. Ohhh right, it's suppose to be YellowBeard that's doing this. Well, flat out lying may work in verbal conversations where people can forget things, but I'm sorry to disturb your argument here, this isn't going to work considering that everything we say here is recorded.

> OneTaste: "And it’s an old song by now, so you are losing your playmates"

If this isn't proof that Kriya Yoga totally detaches people from reality, Yellowbeard doesn't know what is. You're still here! YellowBeard wishes that he could lose his playmates! Please punish me OneTaste! YellowBeard is not knocking on *your* door, you're knocking on *his*.

> OneTaste: "I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’ll tell you the reason I quit responding."

This is like calling someone up on the telephone and then asking the person that answers, "why do you keep calling me". You say you're not responding, but here you go paragraph after paragraph with your dialog towards YellowBeard. Please punish YellowBeard by *really* not responding to him. Try reality out and see how it fits.

> OneTaste: "So I stopped responding to you ..."

(Note to the readers: Yellowbeard has not duplicated any of OneTastes statements here, he really has made this claim this many times in a single post.)

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On to Etzchaim's next post:

> Etzchaim wrote: "Etzchaim blaims this sort of thing, responding to something she knows she should not be responding to ..."

It would be a blessing if you stopped responding to YellowBeard ... err, he means, it would be a terrible punishment. Now please, do punish Yellowbeard by not responding to him. It would be the right thing to do. You shouldn't feed into his "negativity". :)

Punk Yogi
Registered User
(1/10/04 6:56 am)
Reply 		Re: Discarded Superstitions
Quote:
This is why YellowBeard spoke out against Punk Yogi's personality typecasting. It's the same thing. If you tell someone that they're a criminal and they end up believing it, how do you think they're going to act? (Yellowbeard)



...But more importantly...
What if you tell someone they're a zombie elf and they end up believing it...?


etzchaim
Registered User
(1/10/04 8:03 am)
Reply 		Re: Discarded Superstitions
"> Etzchaim wrote: "Etzchaim blaims this sort of thing, responding to something she knows she should not be
responding to ..."

It would be a blessing if you stopped responding to YellowBeard ... err, he means, it would be a terrible
punishment. Now please, do punish Yellowbeard by not responding to him. It would be the right thing to do. You
shouldn't feed into his "negativity"."


Dear me, you are self-absorbed! I was refering to responding to Soulcircles baiting of me in the ill-fated discussion about the Middle-East.

I enjoy responding to you, and feel I must because it is giving me so much energy to do psychological research. I consider you a highly valuable case-study for certain chronic issues within the modern Western culture. Your responses to my mainly humorous post about my Guru and his Guru were classic, as was the condescending response to my use of Astrology. I'm so intrigued by your paternal approach my research side is positively kvelling! I respond to keep you going on.

Your interpretation of Astrology is based on your own superstitions, not mine. I am not governed by the 'stars'. I was born in a specific place in time and do not believe in chance, rather I can see the synchronicity of the creation. Astrology is a road map. The stars have no effect on people. They are not even in those signs anymore! The 'map' is a convenient way of placing us in the 'whole' and has more to do with our relationship to the seasons and the earth than it actually has to do with the supposed 'effects' of the planets. Somehow God got the Universe to be one working unified system and apparently needed a big space to do so. I don't understand, but I don't need. I figure that with my mind-numbing repetitive meditation techniques, someday I will! Within my idealist temperment, I'm a pragmatist.

I once did an Astrological analysis on a friend who's oppinions were much like yours and didn't tell him that I was using his chart. It was a transit and progression reading. We hadn't seen each other for years, and I happened to notice that Pluto was on his Ascendent. When I asked him if he we experiencing any subconscious memories or issues that he had been trying to forget, he told me that he was being inundated with memories from his Viet Nam experience that he hadn't thought of years. Everything he'd tried to forget was coming up. This is classically the kind of thing that will happen when Pluto crosses the Ascendent. He went through major life changes all resulting from and eruption of his subconscious mind in the next several years. Pluto moves slowly, and every time I speak with him, he is experiencing what his transiting and progressed charts indicate. He still thinks I'm crazy, but we're good friends and he puts up with me! God bless him. I suggest you read William James "Variety of Religious Experience" and Carl Jung. For a supposed deprogrammer you are quite bereft of knowledge of the psyche, more of materialistic determinist, if you ask me. My path is different from yours.

"Although, the "Temple of Kriya Yoga" was on Cult Awareness Network's list *before* Scientology
destroyed them with legal harassment and did a "hostile takeover" of the former cult buster group."

Really? I look for us on the cult lists and this is the first time I've heard that we've been classified that way. Yes, there are many suspicious things going on at the Temple. We do Astrology, for God's sake!

I haven't been able to dig up much dirt on my Guru. I've actually tried, being and Aries, and all I've found is nicey, nicey things, like 'warm sense of humor', blah, blah, blah!

On being an Aries:
Believe me, I was acting like an Aries before I ever knew I was one. If you can find the teacher I threw the desk at one day, she would verify that. Since finding out what Aries is like, I've been working my angry butt off in trying to balance it out. My sun is located in the 9th house - religion, psychology, foreign cultures and travel. You would believe how much time I spend asserting myself in these areas. My mars is on my Ascendent in the 12th house. Pretty darn on top of it. The 12th house represents self-undoing and enlightenment. I know where my battles are being fought, since I have my map. Balancing it all out is the trick.

Don't try to figure this all out, just react. I'm watching and keeping a file.


Edited by: etzchaim at: 1/10/04 8:45 am
JoshHiram
Registered User
(1/12/04 10:11 am)
Reply 		Re: Discarded Superstitions
Funny, too, I haven't seen anyone ever refer to himself in the 3rd person like that before. How interesting. Maybe its just me.

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