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SsSsSnake Registered User (1/11/04 3:12 pm) Reply	Meditation This morning I was feeling full up with different teachings I'd been looking into over the last 30 odd years so decided to just sit and put my attention between the brows and whatever came up to just let go. So up came thoughts visions lights periods when the breath was either very very quiet or maybe still,I was aware that the energy was withdrawing from my hands in particular as they were feeling quite numb and then suddenly i was feeling the most intense love/bliss in my heart area to the point where i was having to gasp,I remembered that yes, this was why I'd continued to meditate,yet this feeling was a bit of a stranger to me for so long,I'd forgotten that fantastic feeling being satisfied with a peacefull feeling or a spacy head feeling but this was something entirely different.I'd said to God after I first sat that OK its just me and you.I was in that sort of resigned to I dont have a clue mood and it seemed to work. Now I guess because in a short time i'm going to sit again and the hard bit is going to be not to expect the same again. It makes me wonder if really all the techniques are sometimes a hindrance to feeling that love.
ugizralrite Registered User (1/12/04 9:25 am) Reply	Re: Meditation Cool, a love-bomb has landed on the snakester. Clueless is right, why this happens, who knows? God is a trickster with a lot of tools to use. Pretty unforgettable when this happens, which is probably why it just happens infrequently. A little bit goes a long long way.
kolorado22 Registered User (1/18/04 2:00 am) Reply	Re: Meditation Ugizral: Thanks for replying to my post on the "ex monks please" thread. Are you the Walrus? Just wondering, as it sounded like you were an administrator here by your reply. Anyway, I didn't really post here originally to get a reply because I normally don't frequent this type of MB. I felt I should post here because it is a quite lopsided board. People here that are anti-SRF also seem to be anti-Master much of the time. So a few pro-Master types should continue to post. Also, folks look at the world and SRF in black and white terms. If your best friend can screw up and offend you for no good reason, you forgive them, right? Seems that nobody is forgiving Ma. If she has become power mad I would hope someone would have the courage to tell her so. Guess not. Part of this is the fault of her Sisters I would suspect, not just her. But I liked your response to SS. I would propose that his experience was not really an anomaly. I have been blessed with lots of experiences of Master, most of them formless,visionless, and without a sensory input. those are the best ones. In fact, all I have to do is go to the garden in the Encinitas Ashram to get one. If you feel you are a little shy of experiences, don't despair. In the future us meditating types will have lots of practical work to do in the world, as we will be encouraged to psychically heal those who are in need. This will become almost a scientific process and millions will be healed in this way. Wars will be stopped. The earth will advance spiritually. All of this is quite close. Keep on truckin' you will find it. Check out Cranial Sacral work or other energy work for an example. kolorado
ugizralrite Registered User (1/18/04 10:33 am) Reply	Re: Meditation Thanks Kolorado, First, I'm not the walrus. I only started posting here around 11/2003. I guess I do feel kind of paternalistic toward walrus ezboard. I usually limit my paternalism to the garden, where I don't get many complaints from the plants when I fuss over them. Also I have been in other forums and think it is important to make others feel welcomed. One forum I was in lost its archive when the servers failed, so that is why I try to mirror (copy) walrus (so far I have only maybe 80% and nothing recent which I hope to correct in a couple of weeks). As far as I am concerned everyone who is interested in getting to the bottom of things, spiritually speaking, is a welcome addition to walrus ezboard. Though I now look at SRF, Yogananda, Daya Mata, and the rest in a different way than previously, I still see them as God's expressions of spiritual outreach, and thus, precious. Edited by: ugizralrite at: 1/18/04 10:39 am
kolorado22 Registered User (1/18/04 7:26 pm) Reply	Re: Meditation Thanks for the reply. You know I have often wondered about those that give their lives to a guru and then regret it when they are old. I know of several that have lost gurus due to some sort of scandal where the guru was exposed as a sexual exploiter or power crazed abuser. One such guru was Amrit Desai of the Kripalu Ashram. The Ashram threw him out but continued on anyway as a more secular Yoga Center. Good for them. But the "victims" (friends of mine) of these "false gurus" don't really regret the experience. They were in bliss, fell out of bliss, and moved on. They are still meditating in their own way and still believe in the Divine Mother. If an artist dies penniless but later his work is discovered and he becomes posthumously famous, few would call his life a waste. But if a devotee's guru is found to have fallen from the path, the devotee is branded as a fool, even if the quest later results in a more perfect life. I think a spiritual aspirant will certainly find his or her heart's desire after several lifetimes of hard work. When he is able to speak to his departed guru or feel his presence then I suppose he might not even ask the question of whether or not the long quest was worth it. After all that is something of a Western materialistic question and irrelevant. I know my mystic world is carefully assembled and crafted. If it proves to be based upon a lie I won't know until the next life. Will I be that severe as to condemn my own previous life because an honestly found premise turned out to be false? I think I would be more likelly to condemn that life if a difficult struggle was ended because of fear or laziness. kolorado
ugizralrite Registered User (1/18/04 8:47 pm) Reply	Re: Meditation Faith comes in degrees, but from the beginning there is a commitment to live as if the object of our faith is a real possibility. A safe path is to live by faith in such things as ultimate goodness, love, justice, meaning, and eternal existence. This gives a benchmark for our actions, and though these qualities are often absent in human affairs, just holding them in our hearts and minds is healthy. Then as you say, if you find out that this gamble was based on false assumptions, at least your life was filled with hope and light. Fruition of faith is another matter, wherein the adjectives of worship take on a life of their own. For example when our mantra of "boundlessness" is responded too by its cosmic counterpart. Foreigner had a hit song "I want to know what love is": "I want to know what love is I want you to show me I want to feel what love is I know you can show me I'm gonna take a little time A little time to look around me I've got nowhere left to hide It looks like love has finally found me." So I think that the practice of faith is more than just hope and belief. Faith's fruition is self-realization, and the journey is one of positive intent, and is inherently rewarding long before the goal is fully realized.
kolorado22 Registered User (1/18/04 8:53 pm) Reply	Re: Meditation very well said

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