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SsSsSnake Registered User (1/15/04 8:27 am) Reply	higher kriyas in the higher kriyas i understand a krishna mantra is used? isnt this a step backwards .I thought it was all about Life force control via the breath . Dont mantras take it back to a lower practice? I only ever had the 1st Kriya so cant speak from experience,maybe one of the ex's could enlighten me please? ]thanks
etzchaim Registered User (1/15/04 8:32 am) Reply	Re: higher kriyas The mantra is used as bija sounds. It's Vasudevaya, not Krishna. Vasudevaya is, according to what I've been taught, the symbolic 'Lord of the Breath'. It's the vibration that's important, not the 'literal' meaning of the mantra.
SsSsSnake Registered User (1/15/04 8:38 am) Reply	Re: higher kriyas thnx ETZ could you elaborate further pleas im ignorant of mantras. in divine light mission the sound of the breath and its vibration was considered important.
etzchaim Registered User (1/15/04 8:48 am) Reply	Re: higher kriyas Actually, I just looked up Vasudevaya in a Sanskrit dictionary, and it means "son of Vasudeva", or Lord Krishna. That would make it a mantra to Krisha's son. I would interpret these as symbols. Bija sounds are 'seed syllables' that carry a particular vibration in them. This mantra consists of 12 seed syllables, one for each chakra, front and back. The 'seeds' are planted in the chakras to effect a change in them. Most mantras 'mean' something literally, but the true meaning of them is more related to the sound vibration, as it effects the Astral and then the Physical plane, so their 'true', so to speak, meaning is only revealed by using them. It's a bit like the 'true' meaning of a myth is the symbolic archetypal content that lies underneath the cultural, literal symbols. Mantras are like that. A possible meaning is that one is 'planting' through the breath, the energy of the 'son of God', but there are other meanings that might crop up, that just sounds really good What is Divine Life Mission? Edited by: etzchaim at: 1/15/04 8:54 am
etzchaim Registered User (1/15/04 9:02 am) Reply	Re: higher kriyas The breath is sacred in most traditions, btw. If you stop breathing, either figure out really fast how to get prana from somewhere else, or watch out, you're in trouble...
etzchaim Registered User (1/15/04 9:09 am) Reply	Re: higher kriyas Remember, these are symbols...
SsSsSnake Registered User (1/15/04 11:47 pm) Reply	Re: higher kriyas Thanks again. If the higher kriyas are higher why is there no ceremony etc? Also What is the vibration within the breath which causes the breath and how does that tie in with the medulla? thanks
etzchaim Registered User (1/16/04 9:51 am) Reply	Re: higher kriyas OK, here's something interesting. Our Second Kriya is SRF's Third Kriya. Somewhere on Walrus there is a thread about SRF's spreading out the Kriyas. Does anyone know where this might be? We recieve 1st, 2nd and 3rd externally as initiations and then the 4th and 5th (?) are received internally, in the Astral. SsSsSsnake - I really can't answer about SRF's ceremonies. Even in my first initiation there wasn't much ceremony. The first part was in Discipleship with the whole group of disciples in which we were all given a book of Patanjali's Yoga Sutras and he did a few other things. The initiation proper was given privately. The 2nd Kriya (SRF's third) was given as a group to people who were chosen ahead of time, with a good amount of explanation, and very little ceremony. I don't think I understand your second question. Edited by: etzchaim at: 1/16/04 10:10 am
SsSsSnake Registered User (1/16/04 11:07 am) Reply	Re: higher kriyas will post soon , thanks
SsSsSnake Registered User (1/16/04 2:26 pm) Reply	Re: higher kriyas Ok what are the higher Kriyas supposed to do? also if you take a look here it shows what i was doing before I took up Kriya,I used to think they were the same but the kriya is more like a breathing technique than a meditation practice. The knowledge of the Holy Name viz watching the breath was supposed to reveal the Word of God or the Holy Vibration that was making one breath which can also be experienced as Light sound and Nectar. www.ex-premie.org/pages/aspir5.htm
etzchaim Registered User (1/17/04 3:10 pm) Reply	Re: higher kriyas OK, this is my understanding of it. What people call "Kriya proper" is a Pranayama technique and has to do with the control of the breath through the body in the physical plane and the control of Prana in the astral plane. The breath and the mind are connected, the mind extending into the nervous system, from the brain in the head down through the nerves along the spine. The breath connects the two - head to body, astral to physical, conscious to subconscious. The breath can be thought of as a vehicle. What people refer to as "meditation techniques" are most often concentration techniques which are tools that can lead a person into a state of meditation. Pranayama should also lead to a state of meditation (usually felt the strongest during the pause between the breaths). A large part of Kriya, as I have learned it, has to do with understanding the chakra system, which represents a sort of diagram of the mind in the astral plane and correlates to the central nervous system, in the physical plane. There are various ways of understanding this system intellectually, because there are various symbol systems that relate to it. In fact almost all symbol systems around the world work more or less well with it. A good way to understand 'prana' is as 'life-energy' or 'God energy'. The breath carries prana. The Kriya breath is a way of concentrating the prana into a central channel, which allows it to activate the chakras, or energy wheels, along the spine. Activating them brings consciousness to them. The higher Kriyas are the basic Kriya breath with added elements to it that make it more powerful, or more energizing, in specific ways. The mantra is just one added element that brings a type of vibration into the chakras, adding more consciousness. There other things that are being done in the Higher Kriyas that concentrate the Prana in specific ways that creates an acceleration of concious awareness, with all it's attendent implications. The medulla is what in my understanding would be called the Chandra chakra, or the Moon center, which is the 'back' of the Ajna chakra, or the Sun center. It's the same chakra, really. The Life Force grows out of the Moon center, much like the spine grows out of the Medulla. 'Amrita', or 'nectar' is contained in the Moon center. In concentration or in pranayama, the Amrita is released causing more of a flow of the Life Force, and also the base of the spine is tapped, causing flowing upward of the energy stored there (the Kundalini). Both of these produce a higher level of consciousness and intesify the energy of the Life Force flowing through us. I'm not very good at explaining the mechanics of all this, so I hope that is sufficient. My understanding of the holy breath (Ruach haKodesh in Hebrew, I don't know the Sanskrit equivalent) is a way of saying the 'Spirit' of God. This is what formed the Creation and is not separate from God. Never-the-less, it functions as a vehicle between God and what it forms (which was 'created' out of the Nothingness of God). This was breathed into us at a point that caused us to evolve into what we now call the "human being", giving us a place in between the animal and the Angel in the Creation. Through the breath, we connect to the Ruach haKodesh and hence, to God. The Word of God in Hebrew is called the "Kol", or the Voice of God. In Sanskrit, it's "Vak". The two do identical things - out of the point of the creation from Nothing issue the letters, or the Voice of God, etc. Out of the "letters" everything is created. The Voice is the sending out of the energy of God in order to create the Universe.
etzchaim Registered User (1/19/04 4:58 am) Reply	Re: higher kriyas I realized this morning that I'd left out the most basic thing - that the Kriya will rotate the prana around the spine allowing more consciousness to manifest in the Chakra centers. The additional concentration of energy in the higher Kriyas, with the use of the mantra and additional elements, increases the 'power' (flow and penetration?) of the consciousness into these centers. It's been described in mathematical terms, but I consider this relative to each person. It's rather abstract to say that we 'progress' a year with each breath (with additions added for higher Kriya), because what one person can do in a year, depending on karmic variables, focus and what one is trying to do, is going to be different from what someone else is able, or trying, to do. In my experience, the Higher Kriyas magnify the influx of concsiousness greatly and I have no need to quantify it. I've seen people going over the numbers in other places on the Walrus. For me, personally, that's more of an intellectual exercise, and not very useful, though others may wish to know and understand it. Most karma is burned off in the Astral plane, and very little of it actually 'falls' to the level where it is going to manifest physically. Conscious awareness in the spine, starting from the base, will 'burn' the karmic energy off. The heavier the karma, the lower it will fall, so the more difficult and physical karma will burn off first. This seems to be the result of tapping the Kundalini energy, which the rotation of the Kriya will start to distribute along the spine, while bringing the Amrita out and distributing that, as well, as the rotation of energy occurs. Actual heat sensations are common, and the Kriya current is felt as a current of warmth down the back, and coolness up the center, the Kundalini energy will feel either like a hot/warm stream of energy going up or bubbles/bursts of heat. It stops where there are blockages, or karmic particles ready to be burned off and will spill into the 'petals' and burn on the sides. If you feel a serpentine movement, like a current waving from left to right in the body along the spine, the energy is not moving up the center. The heat should rise up straight and feelings of increase of heat on one side of the other of the spine are karmic particles being burned off. When I feel the energy going up in a serpentine movement, I stop what I'm doing - whatever it is - because this can happen outside of meditation as well, so that the energy goes back. Edited by: etzchaim at: 1/19/04 5:41 am
SsSsSnake Registered User (1/19/04 8:31 am) Reply	Re: higher kriyas ok Etz Im hooked now keep going
etzchaim Registered User (1/19/04 9:32 am) Reply	Re: higher kriyas You sure? OK, so in the collecting of all this prana, and with the removal of the obstacles (burning the karma, removing blockages, untying knots, having tea with your friends), the rotation of both the Kundalini energy and the Amrita distributing higher levels of consciousness throughout the spine, the Higher Kriya will then start to magnetize the Energy into the upper chakras and then into the Ajna and Chandra Chakra, building up more and more Consciousness in a 'clear state', which in Yoganandish, makes one a "Cosmic Radio Receiver", leading to all sorts of cool stuff and then, as YB would say, Nowhere. , which is the end, or the beginning, or, well, it's hard to describe...but you are then outside of the loop of manifestation.
SsSsSnake Registered User (1/19/04 10:51 am) Reply	Re: higher kriyas so maybe i should continue with Kriya?
etzchaim Registered User (1/19/04 11:03 am) Reply	Re: higher kriyas It's up to you. The experience you had with the simple meditation is also something that is good for you - I use both.
jyotirmoy Registered User (1/24/04 8:13 am) Reply	Re: higher kriyas Dear Etz, fascinated by your thoughts on higher kriyas. I practice the basic kriya daily and intensely, sometimes with specific chakra focus, but in my own way and not as in the second kriya, and have never used the Bhagavata mantra with the breathing, or else I modify it to connect with other bhakti. I understand the third and fourth etc. as ways of intensifying the devotional aspect of kriya, the heart-centering orientation. Do you feel they are? Have found Ruach haKodesh usually translated "Pavitratman": pavitra, "pure," atman, "Spirit". Does everyone remember that Sri Yukteswar did not use the term "kriya" but "yajna"? The terms can be read as synonyms, but yajna is important, since it distinguishes from "puja", the sacrificial rites that non-Brahmins perform; only Brahmins can validly execute the vedic yajnas. So kriyabans are, by their practice of the breath-fire sacrifice, truly Brahmins. I am often aware of this during my practice.
SerenityNow7 Registered User (1/24/04 6:01 pm) Reply	Re: higher kriyas Etzchaim, I have a very beginner question here. What does "so the more difficult and physical karma will burn off first. " exactly mean? What is this burning off that occurs? Does this mean that we then become exempt from the effects of this karma ever occurring or that it occurs symbolically somehow or that it is forced to occur faster and so be over with? thanks!
etzchaim Registered User (1/26/04 6:38 am) Reply	Re: higher kriyas Jotirmoy, I understand the Higher Kriyas as a linking of the head and the heart and intensification of the throat chakra. I view the throat chakra as a 'mediary' center between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind. In the Tattwa system, it would be 'ether', as opposed to the more physical 'earth', 'water', 'fire' and 'air' of the lower ones (the heart on down). These are all symbols, of course. The rotation of the Kriya seems to be a mixing of the higher and lower 'levels', and a 'churning' of the whole system so that there is more consciousness brought to the unconscious levels and the contents of the unconscious is brought up to the conscious levels, until it's all Consciousness. This could be because I'm more on a Jnani path than a Bhakti path. "Have found Ruach haKodesh usually translated "Pavitratman": pavitra, "pure," atman, "Spirit"". That's a good translation. The levels of the soul in the Kabbalah system are: Nefesh - the life force of the body Ruach - the soul (the human 'memory-tract' level, what we collect from lifetime to lifetime) Neshamah - the Spirit (the God level - the Higher Self) The Ruach haKodesh in the human being is the human Neshamah. The "Ruach" of God is the manifesting of God. The higher levels, what we could call God's Neshamah, is what is God that is not manifesting. I hope that made sense.
etzchaim Registered User (1/26/04 7:02 am) Reply	Re: higher kriyas "What does "so the more difficult and physical karma will burn off first. " exactly mean? What is this burning off that occurs? Does this mean that we then become exempt from the effects of this karma ever occurring or that it occurs symbolically somehow or that it is forced to occur faster and so be over with?" That's not really a beginning question! It's rather complicated, so I might come back to it a few times to explain. Basically: The base of the spine represents the physical world - the manifestation of our bodies, the world around us, the mundane things in life - the 'ground', 'support' and 'structure' of our lives. Most Karma is going to manifest in the higher levels, so it will come out as anger (manipura), desire (svadisthana), love/emotion (anahata), or mental contructs (vishuda), for example. Once it gets into the base chakra, it has become 'physically manifested' The Kundalini, or Shakti energy will begin to go up and burning or heating sensations are felt as it makes it's way up (in most cases it's better if it happens REALLY SLOWLY!) The blockages (karmic particles, so to speak) are burned up from the bottom up and the more 'blocking' they are (like physical illness, for example is a spiritual obstacle), the more energy it will take to burn them off. The more 'difficult' something is the more obstructive it is, and it manifests Astrally as being darker and heavier (less light...). What burns first is the first obstructions, the more 'glaring ones', though these might also be the most dominant and difficult to stop reoccuring. This doesn't mean that physical illnesses become 'burned' off, it means that whatever was in process of 'becoming' can be made 'lighter'. 'Softened' is another word that I've heard used. As the Kundalini goes higher, the less physical karma becomes heated and 'lightened', so that we have more choices of what to do when we become aware that something is beginning to manifest. More consciousness facilitates this, because as we're more aware, we can start to see the patterns happening - like we notice that by reacting in certain ways, through imbalanced desire, anger, emotion, intellect, we 'cause' certain types of situations to occur and then certain types of things manifest. Once they manifest, it's really difficult to get rid of it Astrally, because it's fallen out of the that 'plane', so the physical imbalances are the hardest to deal with and most need to be just 'worked' out. The only thing that can be 'burnt' off is what is ABOUT to manifest physically. It will seem like things are moving quicker because, while you are removing obstacles, there is still a good amount of Karma that is moving toward manifestation. If a person is not following the Yamas and Niyamas in a balanced way (I'm really stressing the 'balance' here) they are simply creating more karma which moves into manifestation, in whatever form, and one really doesn't make any progress. This is really an oversimplification of a very complex subject, so I hope that is helpful. Edited by: etzchaim at: 1/26/04 11:42 am
ugizralrite Registered User (1/26/04 12:05 pm) Reply	Re: higher kriyas A couple of thoughts: Even if illness is coming to the fore, it is widely accepted that state of mind has a lot to do with healing. In my case anxiety over possible illness can be worse than the illness itself, and so dealing with anxiety through positive steps counteracts in part the manifesting karma. Second, when we introspect on life we can think through possible avenues of action instead of just letting ourselves be led around by whim, habit, and conformity. So that would tend to be a way of burning karma without having to experience something otherwise unnecessary. My karma-processing is usually at that level of understanding.

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