Cold Cold Heart: Tara Mata's influence on SRF

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Paravastha Unregistered User (2/26/02 8:25 am) Reply	To SRFLongago Dear Friend: What you would say about Swami Premananda? What do you know about the Yogananda x Dhirananda issue? What Durga Ma taught of Kriyananda and his dismiss out of SRF? Can you share with us? Thank you!!!
srflongago Registered User (2/26/02 9:49 am) Reply	Premananda I knew him only as a young man passing thru LA, and saw him only a couple of times later, long before he set up his Church of Absolute Monism in Washington, DC, after Yogananda's death. A very sincere, and in many ways very innocent of the world, Yogi, a product of Ranchi I believe. The Church seems to have survived as has Hamid Bey's Coptic Fellowship of America, formed in about 1936.
NewBoy Unregistered User (2/26/02 11:05 am) Reply	Coptic Fellowship Who is Hamid Bey? What is the Coptic Fellowship of America? It seems that so many of Master's Indian disciples came over here and then went their own way. I wonder why?
Terrie Unregistered User (2/26/02 11:22 am) Reply	Reply re: Astrology Yogananda's horoscope is extensively analyzed in LIGHT ON LIFE (p. 340-346) by Hart DeFouw and Robert Svoboda. (Arkana/Penguin 1996) Avaliable at any book store. This is the best book published on Jyotish. Laurie Pratt's birth data is on the Edgar Cayce CD. I have her horoscope somewhere...not sure where.
srflongago Registered User (2/26/02 4:25 pm) Reply	Re: Coptic Fellowship Hamid Bey portrayed himself as a renegade Egyptian Coptic priest of an esoteric order. He had a tremendous set of concentration and meditation skills. When he lectured on his own, he had himself buried for protracted periods to demonstrate his powers. His Italian wife was always nervous about his recovering, as I could see at the time. He was on the official list of authorized teachers of SRF in the mid thirties, but wrote his own lessons from his Coptic point of view and formed a Coptic Fellowship. His works can be obtained from the Coptic Fellowship. Note that he was neither Indian nor a disciple trained through Indian tradition. He was not the only non-indian SRF official lecturer. Another was a Polish Healer, whose books I have. http://www.coptic-sun.org/order.htm Students of Yogananda reported to Yogananda in the middle 1930's that Bey was using unauthorized copies of the Yogoda lessons and not forwarding royalties to SRF, which caused a split. Both I and SRF have letters about this. If you read Bey's lessons from the above source, I think you will agree the lessons were Bey's own. He settled down and died in Southern California in about 1978. His granddaughters still live there. One of them reported to me that an SRF group invited them to speak about Bey, so this piece of history appears not to be lost. His role in SRF is documented in the East-West magazine of the period.
srflongago Registered User (2/26/02 4:59 pm) Reply	Re: To SRFLongago What is not in controversy is that Dhirananda heard in early 1929 that Yogananda was living in circumstances of which Dhirananda would strongly disapprove in New York, and that he made an unexpected trip from SRF mothercenter to New York, and was so disturbed by what he saw that he decided to leave SRF entirely, and to recover his portion of the profits from several books in which his writing had played a great role, but were under Yogananda's name. According to Yogananda's deposition in the 1935 suit, the works in question included the famous "Yogoda booklet","Yogoda Course","Tissue Will System of Physical Perfection", and others. Dhirananda, in New York on 11 April 1929 obtained a signed promissory note for $8000, containing commitments for regular payments. These payments were not made. Dhirananda, when he got his PhD in electroencephalographyin 1935, had funds to pursue this in court. Yogananda went to India on his famous visit and therefore only put depositions into the court. In these depositions he claimed that he had inducted Dhirananda into the Society of Swamis in India, that Dhirananda had taken an oath of poverty, and added a cross complaint claiming that the note was signed under threats and duress, and that Dhirananda had misapproriated over 16,000 from SRF while running the mother center. After a protracted trial, carried in the LA papers, the judge upheld the promissory notes and as findings of fact simply said that each and every cross complaint was false. Dhirananda and Yogananda were contemporaries, and in fact Dhirananda was a disciple of Kebalanda, not SriSri Yukteswar. Kebalanda was both an authentic Kiriya master and a great Sanskrit scholar, visited by eastern religious figures from all over the world because of this. There were a lot of SRF financial papers in the court proceedings, but the SRF evidence was withdrawn with the court's permission, so we cannot see what they claimed. The 1940 hearings in the Nerode-Yogananda suit can similarly not be looked at in detail, because the evidence is not there. A page of the later says that Faye Wright as new president of SRF got the court's permission to remove all the submissions. In any case, these do not exist outside SRF for either trial, and I have reason to think that SRF did not keep them or cannot find them. The Dhirananda case is 387, 391, dated May, 1935, Superior Court of the State of Californi. The Nerode-Yogananda case is No. 445883, Superior Court of State of California, Los Angeles, probably 1940, maby late 1939? This is about all I am willing to say at this time. Anyone can get the court records and the LA paper stories of the time, if they so choose (about a dollar a page for the court records, if you copy them yourself, I think).
username Registered User (2/26/02 5:38 pm) Reply	SRF lawsuits Many years ago I went to all the LA county courthouses and searched records on SRF and read all the files. There really is nothing of real interest in them. And I found it a was not worth my time, but I was glad I did it, cause I wanted to see what was there. It is free to search and free to read files. It is only copies of the files that cost money. I don't think I copied anything cause I didn't run across anything worth coping.
username Registered User (2/26/02 5:43 pm) Reply	TO: SRFlongago I really enjoy your posts. I am willing to pay you in advance for a copy of your book. I have a fear that you are old and may not get the book written in this lifetime, so if you need any help (I'll work for free) getting the book together send me an email.
jaded Unregistered User (2/26/02 6:47 pm) Reply	I agree I don't see any humor. I would also like to see the book, and longago is obviously not a spring chicken. Please, sir or madam, please tell us more. It is more than wanting to hear it myself. I'm afraid that all the facts will be lost forever, and then the absurd fantasy these lunatics have created will never be refutable. And...for Vale or whoever you are: I have spent many years, more than you've been around, from how you described yourself, closely involved with people on the "inside." You don't have to believe us, but we're not reporting second hand. These people are insane. Dangerously so. If you don't like hearing that, then skip the board.
Lobo Registered User (2/26/02 9:17 pm) Reply	Re: I agree Here, Here!!!!
Lobo Registered User (2/26/02 9:21 pm) Reply	Re: To SRFLongago This is information that I'd heard about for quite some time, then read about in the New Times revelations. Can you shed some more light on the 'circumstances' that PY was living in in New York that upset Dhirananda so?
srflongago Registered User (2/27/02 7:35 am) Reply	Re: To SRFLongago Concerning Dhirananda's visit to S.Y. in New York in 1929, I do not think it is ethical for me to repeat the rumours believed at the time. There are, to my knowledge, no written reports from Dhirananda, nor any other surviving surfaced letters in which this is discussed, nor any surviving surfaced documents of occupancy in that apartment which would verify the old rumours.
shocked and saddened Unregistered User (2/27/02 8:03 am) Reply	Wow This stuff is so important to get to the real truth. If our guru was not what we've been led to believe we need to know. I'm sure many people would hate to have spent years following what turned out to be yet ANOTHER false guru preaching continence and celibacy while carrying on with a harem.
willy1080 Registered User (2/27/02 8:52 am) Reply	Re: Yes, please, say more Dear SRFlongago , IMHO you are having some vital information of great importance, I suggest you could just put all of it anonymously on this board . In case you need help , someone could type out things for you
NewBoy Unregistered User (2/27/02 9:38 am) Reply	Dhirananda in New York SRFlongago, How surprising that Master might have been living with Laurie in New York while his own omniscient guru was also very much alive! If I'm interpreting your hints accurately, what you've shared explains much regarding Laurie's behaviour at MW. Obviously she wasn't just another disciple or nun. Her position, if I understand you, would grant her certain privileges. The Mormons in residence at the time wouldn't have too many problems with this arrangement considering how women were and still are treated in that faith. What disciples like the Lewises, Rajasi, and Gyanamata thought intrigues me more.
srflongago Registered User (2/27/02 5:44 pm) Reply	Re: Dhirananda in New York Lewis, Lynn, Bisset, were not in New York in 1929 and presumably knew nothing contemporaneous about Yogananda in New York. Dhirananda spoke about it with great restraint to a couple of close associates, his wife and family, and no one else. The suit was circumspect. Dhirananda wanted to get out with what he thought he deserved. He steadfastly refused contact with Yogananda and SRF for the rest of his life. He put Yogananda out of his mind. That is, after all, something an accomplished Yoga Master is supposed to be able to do. Lynn was not within the Yogananda circle at that early time of 1929. He did not really enter it in the sense you understand till 1935. The whole New York-Dhirananda event was spoken of with great circumspection, and so far as I know, not at that time to the three people you mention. Of course Laurie Pratt and Yogananda did travel together in New York and Pennsylvania in the late 20's, according to accounts of (long dead) sources that I believe were simply reporting innocuous events about which they had reason to be informed by reason of their role at SRF. But Yogananda was known to travel with many people. He needed work support on his lecture campaigns. That is all I know except for rumour.
Lobo Registered User (2/27/02 8:56 pm) Reply	Re: Dhirananda in New York SRFlongago, Then all of this is just rumour. I know that Dhirananda's son, Anil Nerode, put up on the web some information that directly charged this type of stuff. It was up for a while, then disappeared. Rumor was SRF Legal made him take it down. Interestingly Anil Nerode's family had a DNA test done to have proof that their father/husband wasn't the father of Ben Erksine. This was included in the last New Times LA article. The previous article quoted him as saying things like a 'harem' at Mt. Washington etc., hinting none too broadly, that it was somewhat common knowledge at the time. Yet, I remain unconvinced, personally. Florina was at Mt. Washington at that time, and while I know she loved PY wholeheartedly, she was someone who had been married, not some 17 year girl with stars in her eyes. I appreciate your sharing these things. And I appreciate you having the circumspection to label things rumor's, when they are apparently, just that.
Ringbearer Unregistered User (2/27/02 10:57 pm) Reply	Lobo Hi Lobo, Anil Nerode is Sri Nerode's son, not Dhirananda's son. Actually, I kinda assumed that our SRFLongago was none other than the esteemed Professor Anil Nerode himself. Perhaps I am wrong but this seems to fit pretty well...I'd almost bet on it.
srflongago Registered User (2/28/02 4:55 am) Reply	Re: Lobo I have had anonymous correspondents about whom I had some curiosity, some from SRF or anti-SRF. None of the SRF, anti-SRF correspondents have used anything but anonymous usernames. Out of respect for their wishes, I have never made any effort to discern their identities. In my circles, doing so is regarded as bad form and as violating the spirit of the medium. So I will say no more.
Ringbearer Unregistered User (2/28/02 8:26 am) Reply	Re: Lobo Sorry about that. Upon reflection perhaps it was inappropriate. However, Professor Nerode has something of celebrity status and also is very close to the issue being discussed. If you are indeed Professor Nerode then this would be very important information that could alter the way a reader viewed your postings. Just imagine if Daya Mata came here under a anonymous user name and started making posts about how wonderful her experience has been working under Daya Ma for the past 50 years. Would it not be appropriate in that case to expose her identity? Of course, I am not accusing you of any such extreme deception. Your posts seem for the most part quite objective, which is exactly what I would expect from a distinguished mathematician of Professor Nerode's caliber. Anyways, I am sorry again if what I did was inappropriate.

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