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SayItIsntSo Registered User (1/5/04 9:02 pm) Reply	Re: Taylor Fitted Kriya *Quote:* While YB and SIIS seem to have been suffocating under the rules and regs of a tight do's and don'ts regime. I missed this one! I wasn't suffocating under the rules and regs. I stumbled like everyone and moved on without too much guilt. I fell into some pretty deep wells! Anyways... I didn't leave because of the regime. I taylored the teachings to my life as most do, and I had my share of missed mediations like the next guy/gal. I wasn't a vegan, though I was for about 10 years. I ate red meat...EVEN while doing Kriya. Did all the vices. I wasn't radical in my POV. I did the best I could.
SayItIsntSo Registered User (1/5/04 9:13 pm) Reply	Re: Calmly active and Actively Calm *Quote:* SRF DOES REQUIRE THAT YOU GIVE UP FAMILY, FRIENDS, EVERYTHING BUT KRIYA In the 30 years I attended SRF/including Convocations, I never heard this requirement. *Quote:* The people in SRF are NOT enlightened. I think they are trying to be. *Quote:* Trust me.... no one acted that strange BEFORE SRF..... so it must be the kriya.... OR JUST HANGING OUT IN THE SRF ENVIRONMENT. There are strange people everywhere in every environment. While I was living SRF I never thought myself strange. There were some very nice people in SRF. Most were just trying to be better people. Unfortunately, it only takes one bad egg to spoil a bunch (as they say). I used to be very angry about SRF. Very bitter. I'm not as bitter now. Still disillusioned, but more hopeful. I better be careful here because I'm going to contradict myself and someone will notice. HA HA.
SayItIsntSo Registered User (1/5/04 9:26 pm) Reply	Re: More Great Stuff *Quote:* You both seem to have been agitated by the technique itself....like it was far too rigid? I think I already answered this, but I'm all over this board. Okay... No, it wasn't ridgid. I adapted it to my life. *Quote:* Do you feel that rigidity might have hampered your efforts? No. I wasn't that rigid! I found a working balance. I always thought the *pure* teachings better suited for monks. *Quote:* In other words you followed the directions to the "t", but lost the "spirit" of the practice in the end? (this is not a criticism but an observation) I didn't follow them to the "t." I think I clarified that elsewhere. I was a wife and mother and worked fulltime. I couldn't have followed it to the "t" even if I'd wanted too!
SayItIsntSo Registered User (1/5/04 9:32 pm) Reply	Re: Results From Kriya I went off topic all over and I'm so sorry. My final word before going to bed is this: if Kriya helps you, do them. I wouldn't buy into the "have to do them or else" stuff...you know, lose them for incarnations... I think one has to do them. Test the waters. See if you benefit. I did them because I tried to do as much as I could within the lesson plans. But, I say this again, Kriya, or the practice of them, had nothing to do with my leaving SRF. THAT is another story for another place on this board. Peace.
ugizralrite Registered User (1/5/04 9:34 pm) Reply	Re: Taylor Fitted Kriya PY's birthday, ya don't say. Interesting. Last night I had one of those persistent dreams, an all nighter, it was about a holy day, January 6. I had to look that one up this morning, The Epiphany, where the wise men came to see baby Jesus. Go figure. Anyway, what I wanted to say here refers back to something Dawnrays, I think it was, said a few weeks back. Correct me on this, but she said something like if you want to polish your chakras and become a well-rounded human being, you had better do it before enlightenment, because after enlightenment you won't be much interested in the issues anymore. I would add to that the concept of a hierarchy of powers in the chakras. It is important and probably inescapable to circulate energy evenly up and down through all the chakras, and as discussed by Etzchaim there will be issues depending on individuals. The lower chakras are important to keep grounded, but at some point the higher chakras given their greater potential can conceivably "pop your top", at which point game-over, enlightenment. Which puts you in Dawnrays suggested territory of transcending the whole process. Hope that helps rather than clouding the topic.
SsSsSnake Registered User (1/6/04 12:23 am) Reply	Needthestar I forgot about this site. It will give you a lot of imformation regarding anything to do with Kriya and the Pranayama stuff and more www.pranayama.org/
needthestar Registered User (1/6/04 5:28 am) Reply	Thanks SIIS - sometimes pictures in a coloring book look best when you color outside the lines....thanks for ALL of your information. I think it takes a lot of guts to type what you did...very needed. Thank you. I can say for myself that I'll test those waters...thanks for your encouragement. UG & Snake - thanks for the additions - once more, really good stuff.
etzchaim Registered User (1/6/04 5:38 am) Reply	Re: More Great Stuff YB quotes Punky and Etzy. "> Etzchaim (1/5/04): "the third chakra is Mars. The Persephone archetype would certainly relate to this. She was raped by the god of the underworld and forced to live in the underworld for half the year." > Punk Yogi (12/19/03): "People with moon in Leo are naturally playful and love the stage." Now before anyone gets too excited about YellowBeard posting those quotes, bear in mind that he has not made any comments suggesting anything about these statements. We're examining Kriya scientifically here in this thread. We need to look at what happens to people after they practice Kriya. Yellowbeard is not saying that this is a good or bad sign, it's up to each reader to decide for themselves." Jeez Louise, Captain, go find some books written by Carl Jung. I can suggest a few. Then, with all the lust inside her, Etzy quotes the Captain: "We're examining Kriya scientifically here in this thread." and says, "You IDIOT, Captain." Open up your mind. It needs some kind of altering, but only you can figure it out. A deprogrammer, eh? Do you have any idea about how the subconscious works? Have you studied any of those dreadful, feminine, soft sciences at all, the not really 'true' sciences, or shall we call them murky? Have you ever related to a piece of literature or music and wondered why it moved you, had an effect on you, changed you? Indeed, have you looked at what motivates you without your knowing why? Tis perplexing... Edited by: etzchaim at: 1/6/04 5:55 am
etzchaim Registered User (1/6/04 5:43 am) Reply	Re: More Great Stuff I do so apologize for the personal remark, re: IDIOT. I'd rather not just make insinuating remarks, eh? Etzy, the symbolic junky, who reads too many psychology books for some peoples taste and, um, thinks that science is a wider subject than simple reduction to pure physical substance because life, um, has more than pure physical substance and it requirers an open mind and a willingness to experiment to begin to understand, even if it isn't in a tecnical, um, lab, but the mind itself, which appears to extend along the grey matter of the spine, nerves and all, into the, yes, into the almighty subconscious, which speaks to us in, um, symbols and defies measurement, prefering to just be itself despite the efforts of modern persons whose fear of imprecise realities has caused them to shore up the murky waters with dams and protect the wild fields with fences. Symbols... Jeez, those ancients were on to sumthin, maybe we might give a listen and put our over developed rational minds to rest for a bit, they get haughty when we give them to much air, and check out the rest of reality. We can always use our searing intellectualism later, when we are done examining our subconscious patterns that run us without us always knowing just how and why. And yes, the altering of the mind can go both ways, + or -. Some people prefer the safety of remaining static. What do you fear, YB? Don't answer that out loud, let it sink into the spine, and then dig it up some day out of pure necessity after it has rotted and stunk up your motivations and raw instinctual responses you do not want to understand. Edited by: etzchaim at: 1/6/04 9:48 am
needthestar Registered User (1/6/04 6:55 am) Reply	Can't Buy This Stuff At Wal-Mart I agree with the above post by Etz. Ancient Symbols and teachings are ancient for a good reason - otherwise they'd been thrown on an a scrap heap long ago and forgotten. That's why I became so interested in this thread that SN7 started - because Kriya was being reduced to some worthless, hobble gobble of antiquity. But it's ancient for a reason is it not? By sheer logical evolution would it not have been abandoned thousands of years ago if in fact it had no worth? Just from the few Kriyabans that have posted their experiences seem to disprove the idea that: "Anyone that has done Kriya Yoga KNOWS for a FACT that it does not do ANYTHING" OFF TOPIC A BIT although some of these ancient theories and thoughts may have been forgotten by the MASSES, they have been kept alive by wise men through the "dark" ages. I find it very interesting that hatha yoga, meditation (which recently made the cover of TIME magazine), vegetarianism etc. are rapidly bleeding into the social scene within just the last ten years or so...why? Are we on the verge of a "new age"? (Check out this site for Zecharia Sitchin www.sitchin.com ) Could Kriya play a vital role in all of this, just as Yogananda - Babaji foretold? Edited by: needthestar at: 1/6/04 8:51 am*
SsSsSnake Registered User (1/6/04 9:16 am) Reply	Re: Can't Buy This Stuff At Wal-Mart Hey Bro, In the of the Indian Gurus eg Rajneesh Muktananda, Guru Maharaji Maharishi(60's) those of us into them myself Guruwe thought we were ushering in world peace etc etc. we used to go Jumbling spreading the message that the Lord of the universe was here,we thought the whole world would take Knowledge and it would be a golden age of peace take a look at this site to see the remains ">www.ex-premie.org/
SsSsSnake Registered User (1/6/04 9:18 am) Reply	Re: Can't Buy This Stuff At Wal-Mart woops I meant to say in the early 70's
ugizralrite Registered User (1/6/04 11:09 am) Reply	Re: More Great Stuff "Etzy, the symbolic junky, who reads too many psychology books for some peoples taste and, um, thinks that science is a wider subject than simple reduction to pure physical substance because life, um, has more than pure physical substance and it requirers an open mind and a willingness to experiment to begin to understand, even if it isn't in a tecnical, um, lab, but the mind itself, which appears to extend along the grey matter of the spine, nerves and all, into the, yes, into the almighty subconscious, which speaks to us in, um, symbols and defies measurement, prefering to just be itself despite the efforts of modern persons whose fear of imprecise realities has caused them to shore up the murky waters with dams and protect the wild fields with fences." --------------------------------------------------------------------- stream of consciousness etzchaim. I like.
SayItIsntSo Registered User (1/6/04 11:33 am) Reply	Re: Results From Kriya *Quote:* That seems to me as extreme as "you will be lost for several incarnations"....is it not? Needstar, you know all this posting about Kriya has me thinking beyond my memories. So, I pulled out some of my old journals that I've not looked at in the years since I left SRF. After the cloud of incense dissipated, cough, I found something of interest to your quote above. I myself posted earlier that one shouldn't worry about that. But what I re-discovered is this quote isn't from a devotee or monk trying to scare anyone into doing Kriya, but from PY himself. I have a copy of a letter written by PY to a devotee. She was a living direct devotee (studied under PY) back in the early 50's. Now, elderly, she'd made a copy for a friend of mine who then gave me a copy. That's how I got hold of it. The woman must have asked PY why her meditations were so restless, and by his answer, she must have been struggling with Kriya. The letter was written June 23, 1951. I'll just pull out the part about Kriya: PY clearly states that if Kriya isn't done, you will lose it. I thought it particularly interesting that he also said that one is "happier" when not meditating. I can relate! "When one practices Kriya with deep concentration and the current is actually revolved in the spine, these impulses either germinate, grow and are eliminated in time, or they fail to germinate because the soil in the spinal region is not proper for their growth. There is no soil for growth when one rises above body consciousness. If the current is revolved in the spine, it is so intense that it bakes the seeds of karma. The reason you feel happier when you do not meditate is because you are being swept along the stream of past habits and there is no resistance....If the opportunity is given by God to learn to mediate, the devotee should take advantage of it. Otherwise, he will wait endless incarnations, building more bad karma, before the opportunity comes again and then it requires just that much more effort to attain Self-realization." Earlier, I'd made some fast comments about Kriya, but I read in these journals things I'd frankly forgotten. There did seem to be a large amount of guilt when not practicing the teachings. "I see your devotees all being good and I feel small." Also, I had experienced joys: "Last night at Kriya practice I felt your joy pulling me so deep into bliss..." Another time: "I sat down at the beginning of the retreat and there you were!! Peace...bliss...joy." Finally, a quote from Krishna: "Even if a man/woman falls away from the practice of yoga, he will still win the heaven of the doers of good deeds... Because of his practices in the previous life, he will be driven on toward union with Brahman, even in spite of himself." If I find anything else of noteworthy, I will post it. I kept a journal for many years, including notes from Convocations. If I'm to post "truth" here, and this is about truth--ex and current devotees confused about the practice and teachings of Kriya (and SRF), then of what purpose does it serve me to be less than truthful? When I first stumbled upon your questions, I answered them from a removed and very objective place. But I when I read back in my own words, I could see where distance from the teachings was overriding some of the past truth I'd posted here. Edited by: SayItIsntSo at: 1/6/04 11:44 am
needthestar Registered User (1/6/04 11:35 am) Reply	Re: Can't Buy This Stuff At Wal-Mart Snake - in all of your jocularity, your link needs some serious help! Consult your guru about posting links will ya? Here: /www.ex-premie.org Maybe someday I'll take you in as a disciple. I believe in a New Age...and I don't mean the Bush Administration. I think this thread is unraveling ....YellowBeard?
dawnrays Registered User (1/6/04 11:49 am) Reply	Re: Results From Kriya sayitisn'tso, I think that that quote "being lost for incarnations" is offensive to people (at least me) mainly because alot of people think it applies to the actual organization of srf. As in "srf is the guru" and all of that... There is a part of your quote I'm not sure I understand that goes "The seed will not germinate in the soil if one is above body conciousness". Do you know what this means? Does "germinate" mean getting and feeling results? Is it trying to say that "when you are above body consciousness" that you don't meditate? I've always wondered how a person can be complete "above body consciousness" when they are inhabiting a body. I can understand and appreciate not being a slave to sense pleasures, but it seems a little schizoid to me to be completely beyond your own body. That's what schizophrenics often complain about, not being able to relate to their own bodies. It just doesn't seem like a good thing... Thanks, I'm getting interested in this discussion again... On rereading it again, I THINK that he is saying that "seeds" are karma and "germinating" is sort of awakening and burning this karma? Is this a correct assumption? "Above body consciousness" then could be a free flowing of unhampered energy up the spine.. Edited by: dawnrays at: 1/6/04 2:06 pm
needthestar Registered User (1/6/04 12:01 pm) Reply	Re: Results From Kriya SIIS - I'm going to have to read this post a few more times. I'm going to have to read it again to be able to soak all of this in. Once more you've overwhelmed me. The posts you've made hear are probably the most open, humble and honest posts I've ever read. What you've laid out for me is troubling....just as I was walking away from Yogananda as being MY GURU. But, none the less, I welcome it. Something picked at your brainto read those notes and to post these words here I do not see this letter as threatening as some others might..that Yogananda is scaring anyone into Kriya/meditation. To me, and I am only speaking for myself, I see a great deal of hope here...I also feel that the truth has been spoken. "Merrily, Merrily, Merrily, Merrily, life is but a dream?"....floating unanchored, as I seem to be. If one believes that such souls as St. Lynn could live 30+ years as a greedy, overweight, nervous person...and then to latch onto Kriya the way he did, makes me wonder....had he not been one who meditated deeply in other lives? Is Maya so thick that even those closest to unraveling the Self are saturated with confusion? Another example might be St. Francis. So based on that, if these deep souls were so easily confused, then what hope do I have? and I had better grasp onto the strongest branch (kriya) and hold on with all my might? This is very profound to me. Norman Paulson's book on Kriya states this: "Worlds turn, Galaxies spin, time grinds on endlessly. Beings come and go like leaves from the trees. Listen while you have the chance, the opportunity. Think not lightly that God is calling you because of your own heart's desire. EXERCISE IT! Take full advantage of it!" Thank you SIIS. Thanks very much for taking the time. You've given me much to think about. Can I contact you via email? Your inbox is disabled. Would you put your email address in my inbox? Or email me at hautchiebill@yahoo.com I'd be very grateful. Your Truthfulness is most welcome. Sincerely, NTS Edited by: needthestar at: 1/6/04 12:08 pm
SsSsSnake Registered User (1/6/04 12:14 pm) Reply	Re: Results From Kriya NTS My link works you have to click the bit inside when it takes you to the 1st page
redpurusha Registered User (1/6/04 12:24 pm) Reply	Re: Results From Kriya Hey, does anyone know where the link is to the website on black disciples of PY? It was posted on one of these threads but I can't locate it. thanks
etzchaim Registered User (1/6/04 1:08 pm) Reply	Re: Results From Kriya I find that one comment about being above body consciousness troubling, as well. Too bad we can't ask him to clarify. It appears dualistic to me, as if once we reach a stage where we are no longer confined to physical awareness alone, we, a) no longer have karma and b) no longer use the physical while in the physical and c) Kriya only burns off physical karma. I would think that once one is fully expressing the Self within and through oneself, the Kriya will not be necessary, but being 'above body consciousness' does not describe this for me. One of my issues with Yogananda is precisely a division he appears to make between the physical and the spiritual, which seems to extend into the present day SRF interpretation of monasticism as superior to the life of the Householder. I simply don't share this split in Consciousness, interpret it as dualism, and do not think that this is the original teaching of Kriya.

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