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seekerseeking
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(3/11/04 9:12 am)
Reply 		The Second Coming is coming
There's talk that The Second Coming will be out at Convocation this year. Amazing that it took them 52 years to edit and proofread something that was complete when Yogananda passed.

Anyway, it is supposed to be some 400 pages longer than SRF's gita, and also will be in two volumes. Lots of SRFers are giving a lot of credence to rumors that The Second Coming will somehow shake the world and create massive controversy, but I really doubt that. Most of the world's Christians are very clear on their Christian beliefs and while most will never even hear of SRF's Second Coming, those that do will no doubt dismiss it as more "New Age quackery". I highly doubt that pastors will be discussing it with their flocks on Sunday mornings.

redpurusha
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(3/12/04 9:55 am)
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I agree with you seeker. While "The Passion of the Christ" is being talked about and recommended to see at my catholic church, I doubt I'll hear anything on "The Second Coming" from SRF. I am still looking to read the Amrita version though before srf's comes out. If its longer than the Gita than there's going to be a lot of reading to do this summer. Jesus Christ is becoming more popular by the day. "Don't believe those that say, 'look here' or 'look there' because the kingdom of God is within you." -the late J.C.

On the movie. This is by far the best movie about Jesus Christ I've ever seen. Great job by Mel as usual (Braveheart).

Edited by: redpurusha at: 3/12/04 9:59 am
seekerseeking
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(3/14/04 6:08 pm)
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Hi redpurusha. I saw Amrita's version at the Bodhi Tree bookstore in LA and nearly bought it but it was too expensive. It's in three small, thin volumes and each one was like $20. Way too expensive for me. I figured for that kind of money I will wait for SRF's which will be monumental. I also figured most of the important stuff is already in the service readings anyway so I can wait for The Second Coming. We've been waiting 2,000 years anyway, what's a few more. :D

I'm planning to go see Mel's movie but I've been waiting for the crowds to thin out a bit.

feelbetrayed
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(3/14/04 6:43 pm)
Reply 		Re: The Second Coming is coming
In the early 1970s a nun at Mt. Washington told my friend there was a prediction that when Master's "2nd Coming" is published, the SRF will be "stoned," (people throwing stones).

MastersChela
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(3/14/04 9:55 pm)
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In the early 1970s a nun at Mt. Washington told my friend there was a prediction that when Master's "2nd Coming" is published, the SRF will be "stoned," (people throwing stones).


I don't mean to be too crude here, but this is a bunch of martyr-complex-self-grandizing BUNK!

Honestly, is ANYONE outside of those already familiar with Master's teachings going to read this work? Give me a break. I'm not trying to sound egoic here, but I think I'm pretty comfortable on an intellectual level with metaphysical subjects... Unless they TOTALLY rewrite the thing (based on my reading of the 1st volume of the Amrita version), nobody in the mainstream Christian community will even be able to comprehend it, let alone BOTHER to persecute SRF for publishing it.

There's some DEEP Truths in Master's interpretations of the writings of Christ, and you'll have to read them again and again to get it... Not that this makes them bad, it just makes them a spiritual AND intellectual challenge to really "get"... actually I think most of it is probably beyond the intellect's capacity to "get," which puts it totally out of the realm of comprehension for most mainstream Christian groups.

Don't worry, people won't be paying enough attention to throw any stones. They're too busy seeing Mel Gibson's "Passion" for the third time.

ranger20
(3/15/04 11:52 am)
Reply 		Re: The Second Coming is coming
Over on the True Believer boards, I've seen opinions running to extremes. Either the Second Coming will ignite new levels of cultural warfare, or else it will hasten the opening of higher ages. I tend to agree that a subdued reaction, if any, is more likely.

I came across one of the Amrita volumes in a used bookstore a year+ ago, and didn't buy it. In part because it did echo a lot of the Service Readings. I've enjoyed some of the biblical interpretations, but others have left me cold almost from the start. And also, even back when I really was a true believer, I found it bizarre that intelligent, spiritually seeking people would really believe that in 2000 years of Christianity, not one person on the inside ever correctly understood their own sacred text!

MastersChela
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(3/16/04 12:42 am)
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And also, even back when I really was a true believer, I found it bizarre that intelligent, spiritually seeking people would really believe that in 2000 years of Christianity, not one person on the inside ever correctly understood their own sacred text!


Many have understood, ranger... It's just that the understanding hasn't become a part of the dogma of the faith. Brother Francis knew the Truth of his Guru's teachings, as did Theresa of Avilla, Thomas a Kempis, St. John of the Cross, the Desert Fathers, the 12 orginal disciples, Mary Magdelene, and of course Jesus' own mother.

The problem has been the rigidity of the church, and the fact that the Self-Realized have not been in positions of leadership. In fact, the Self-Realized are often marginalized, isolated, and denied the right to teach. Padre Pio was forbidden from giving Mass for a long while because He spoke out against the changes of Vatican II. St. Joseph of Cupertino was locked in a cell in the Basillica of St. Francis because of His embarrassing habit of forgetting about the laws of gravity. These Saints were locked away, and then only recognized and revered after death, when the church could use them as symbols for their own brand of Christianity.

Master Himself said that the Catholic Church has produced more saints than any other faith besides Hinduism. If these Great Ones couldn't change their own Relgion, what are the chances that the SRF publishing house and an Indian man dead 50 years will do so (even if what He has written is Truth)?

didgeridootoo
(3/17/04 5:37 am)
Reply 		Re: The Second Coming is coming
Of those who have seen The Passion of Christ, how did you like it, and was it all in subtitles?

redpurusha
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(3/17/04 7:13 am)
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Did, they speak in the original language (hebrew or something) and you have to figure out what they are saying.

No, kidding. There are subtitles throughout the entire movie. And Mel uses artistic freedom to create a powerful, (bibicaly) accurate yet artistic depiction of the last hours of Jesus. John Paul II gives it a thumbs up.

One more thing about the movie being anti-sematic (the allegation that Jews are to blame for Jesus's death). It's as anti-sematic to the degree as are the four gospels.

Now think about this:

1. if Judas had not betrayed Jesus, he would probably never have been captured and killed.

2. the Roman governer had the power to set him free or have him killed, he chose to give up the power to the Jews (mostly Jewish high priests) whom he knew wanted him crucified, as to avoid an uprising in his province.

3. the Jewish high priests wanted him crucified (according to the evangical gospels).

4. the roman soldiers actually carried out the punishment and crucifiction.

So, going by the gospels all these people had a hand in Jesus's death. Having said this, if Jesus had not been crucified, 1. his mission would not be fulfilled, and 2. all those christians who believe that salvation comes from Christ's death on the cross and resurrection, could not be "saved."

God's will was accomplished. Everyone played their role. The drama of life continues.

Edited by: redpurusha at: 3/17/04 7:18 am
didgeridootoo
(3/17/04 11:36 am)
Reply 		Re: The Second Coming is coming
Thanks. I guess I can get used to the subtitles. Maybe it will divert one's attention from the bad scenes.

I doubt if Jesus really died on the cross, and I don't believe he even had to die in order to take on our karma, after all gurus’ takes on our karma without dying.

I never understood what all the fuss about the Jews was about and still don't. It was Christ's path, and like you said, "everyone played their role."

I also found some passages in the Bible that are contradictory and then found more on this web site that lists 101 contradictions:

islamway.com/english/imag...ctions.htm

What did Judas do with the blood money he received for betraying Jesus? He bought a field (Acts 1: 18) He threw all of it into the temple and went away. The priests could not put the blood money into the temple treasury, so they used it to buy a field to bury strangers (Matthew 27:5)

How did Judas die? After he threw the money into the temple he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5) After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18)

Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion? Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42) No. (John 12:27)
According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died? “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” (Luke 23:46) "It is finished" (John 19:30).

I think it all amounts to the Bible having been written so many years after his death. Stories abound, and so whoever wrote the gospels went by whatever story they heard.


didgeridootoo
(3/17/04 11:56 am)
Reply 		Re: The Second Coming is coming
But then a Christian explanation of what had happened:


"This alleged contradiction is related to the fact that Matthew in his Gospel speaks of Judas hanging himself but in Acts 1:18 Luke speaks about Judas falling headlong and his innards gushing out. However both of these statements are true.

Matthew 27:1-10 mentioned the fact that Judas died by hanging himself in order to be strictly factual. Luke, however in his report in Acts1:18-19 wants to cause the feeling of revulsion among his readers, for the field spoken about and for Judas, and nowhere denies that Judas died by hanging. According to tradition, it would seem that Judas hanged himself on the edge of a cliff, above the Valley of Hinnom. Eventually the rope snapped, was cut or untied and Judas fell upon the field below as described by Luke".

seekerseeking
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(3/28/04 10:06 am)
Reply 		Re: The Second Coming is coming
Quote:
In the early 1970s a nun at Mt. Washington told my friend there was a prediction that when Master's "2nd Coming" is published, the SRF will be "stoned," (people throwing stones).


Well, this nearly happened, SRF almost got stoned when they tried to build a mausoleum for Yogananda at MW and move him there from Forest Lawn. So maybe the second coming she was referring to was that of Yogananda to MW. ;)

redpurusha
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(3/31/04 7:55 am)
Reply 		Re: The Second Coming is coming
>"I doubt if Jesus really died on the cross, and I don't believe he even had to die in order to take on our karma, after all gurus’ takes on our karma without dying."

Yogananda and Yukteswar interpret to "die" in the bible as the death of the ego (identification of individualized spirit with the body) by going breathless. Jesus Christ's "death" on the cross, and subsequent resurrection after 3 days are interpreted as symbolizing the overcoming the three stages of body awareness -physical, astral, and casual. Jesus, an accomplished master, through his earthly life, was able to outwardly display the inner spiritual development needed for finding true freedom -Self Awareness or God/Christ-realization.

I don't doubt Jesus being successful at realizing the Christ Consciousness, but as far as him having to die to take on the karma of others, my understanding is that masters take on the karma of disciples by suffering themselves. Yogananda suffered physically at the end of his life as well in order to take up the karma of some of his disciples. To what extent and to how many disciples did Jesus suffer physically for I don't know, but the death of the "son of man" was the outward symbol of the death of the ego, according to Yogananda and Sri Yukteswar.

didgeridootoo
(3/31/04 11:19 am)
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I like their intrepretation.

I have oftened wondered if Christ took on karma not just for his disciples and the disciples of his disciples but if he did so for those who are alive today. I do know that only an avatar can take on the karma of another, so not all gurus are able to take on the karma of their devotees, but if they are in the line of a guru where there is an avatar, then that avatar takes on their karma and I suppose any bona-fide guru has a lineage with an avatar in it.

bsjones
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(4/7/04 10:18 am)
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ezSupporter
 Re: The Second Coming is coming
Abbot George Burke says in "An Eagles' Flight" that Jesus Christ will be born again in Israel (soon I think) and this time the Jews will accept him. This really surprised me. This, and other statements of "fact", are presented without support. I liked a lot of his book, but some of his claims are hard to take. What do others who have read this book think?

WindChimes44
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(4/7/04 12:06 pm)
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bsjones, I have not read Burke, though your posts have made me interested in doing so. I have heard, however, as I suspect we all have, a number of versions of a Christian concept of the age change that sometimes includes things like Jesus being accepted by the jews as the messiah.

The revelations view of this age change (from that point of view this age change is the death of the era just beginning then) focuses on the horror of the death and disturbing signs and wonders. My view of the age change is different, since I see it as the birth of a new age.

But in general summation of the revelations-disappearance-christ and anti christ view: both Christ and an anti christ are expected to be incarnate (each version predicts this in different places and ways), the jews are supposed to rebuild the temple and convert, a big war with islam is often expected, and many plagues, famines and wars are expected. An amusing aside-- some believers in this particular script think they must support Israel so that the temple gets rebuilt, because otherwise Jesus cannot return. LOL! An omnipotent God needs their vote, and building program, today.

Of course much of that prediction has clearly come to pass. (Though times without famine, plague, and war are hard to find in the last 2,000 years.)

For myself I hope the prayers of all yogis and buddhists and saints and enlightened and advanced beings of all faiths moderate the birth pangs and reduce the suffering entailed in the change.

A really odd aside-- related to the prediction 'yet in my flesh shall I see God' I sometimes wonder if the astounding current overpopulation is massive bunches of us wanting to be incarnate during the age change. Of course that does not seem to me the primary meaning of that verse... but sometimes I think the Apocalypse is the blockbuster of the age and we are all lined up to see it. Standing room only!!

Yes, I take a merry and giggly view of maya. Maybe someday I will dance here, enlightened, as a very merry free being. I do not ignore suffering, I just like to laugh!

bsjones
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(4/7/04 1:22 pm)
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ezSupporter
 Re: The Second Coming is coming
Windchimes wrote:

"A really odd aside-- related to the prediction 'yet in my flesh shall I see God' I sometimes wonder if the astounding current overpopulation is massive bunches of us wanting to be incarnate during the age change. Of course that does not seem to me the primary meaning of that verse... but sometimes I think the Apocalypse is the blockbuster of the age and we are all lined up to see it. Standing room only!!"

That is a positive view of the overpopulation "problem" that I have never imagined before. Thanks!

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