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We'll talk about Yogananda's dirty laundry once the table is actually cleared of YOUR dirty laundry. [1/19/04]


In truth, Punk is trying to maintain a neutral stance on the issue of Yogananda's character. What this means is Punk is keeping an open mind to the possibility that Yogananda might be a self-promotor who used mass hypnosis to gain a following. Punk also is keeping an open mind to other theories, including the one that states that Yogananda is a man of pure realization.

So far, not one person on this board has produced enough convincing evidence to hang a sentence on Yogananda. The fault lies in the fact that very little is known about the man. SRF has done everything possible to shroud the real Yogananda in mystery. His writings have been edited and amended, movies of him are being kept from the public, and a home spun legend has been spewn from the founts of Mt. Washington, the Board of Directors, and the gullible disciples who have demonstrated a pathological tendency to sanitize and denature every bit of Yogananda they touch.

Yellowbeard simply wants us to relinquish participation in this dysfunction. Punk supports Yellowbeard in this endeavor. [1/16/04]

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To sum up Punk Yogi's position, he believe's that anyone that questions the iron fisted authority of Yogananda is a "circus freak" because they dare to have the audacity to resist being fitted into the mold of the guru's image

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YB: Let's take stuff off this table so we can eat.

Etz: I'm painting a picture to clean it off.

YB: That picture is very pretty, you're a very good artist, but if we wanna sit down and eat, we need to clear this table.

Etz: Hey, I don't wanna be like you, I do things my own way. I'm an individual, get it?

YB: Of course, but the table's over here, and if we ...

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Non-duality is the painting of a hand that points towards Reality.

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"Rationals are self-confident in so far as they sense in themselves a strength of will or an unwavering resolution. [Rationals] believe they can overcome any obstacle, dominate any field, conquer any enemy -- even themselves -- with the power of their resolve."

"Once Rationals resolve to do something they have in a sense made a contract with themselves, a contract they dare not go back on."

-- from "Please Understand Me II by David Keirsey

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"As much as possible, at times even regardless of the consequences, Rationals desire to live according to their own laws, to see the world by their own lights, and they respect themselves
in the degree that they act independently, free of all coercion. Individualists all [Rationals] resist any effort to impose arbitrary rules on them. Indeed, they prefer to ignore any law, regulation, or convention that does not make sense to them, though they are willing to obey those that do."

"Rationals want to govern themselves, and also think for themselves. From an early age Rationals will not accept anyone else's ideas without first scrutinizing them for error. It doesn't matter whether the person is a widely accepted authority or not; the fact that a so-called "expert" proclaims something leaves the Rationals indifferent. Title, reputation, and credentials do not matter. Ideas must stand on their own merits, and [Rationals] simply do not trust anyone else to have done the necessary research and applied the rules of logic adequately. 'I have understood that Einstein said so,' comments the Rational, 'but even the best of us can err.' This natural lack of respect for established authorities tends to make the Rationals seem irreverent, some might say arrogant"

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"Rational parents are usually more concerned about the growth of individuality in their children than the other types. It is vitally important that each and every child in the family becomes progressively more self-directed and self-reliant in handling the challenges of life"

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"Rationals find their relationship to Guardian children somewhat problematic and sometimes frustrating. They really don't know how to act, don't know what they might do to help [Guardian] children develop their ingenuity, become more independent, and increase their strength of will, none of which are of particular interest to the child."

"[Guardian] children tend to go along with their social groups, and it can distress Rational parents to see little [Guardians] doing things because the other kids are doing it. And Rational parents are disappointed by their Guardian child's wanting always to feel secure. Why can't their [Guardian] child be bold or enthusiastic or curious like their [Artisan], [Idealist], or [Rational] siblings? Why must their child report every pain, every disappointment, every wrong, every fear? Such children make Rational parents feel inadequate and helpless because they cannot appeal to their children's reason, nor to their courage, nor to their hopes, nor to any desire to strike out on their own."

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"Certainly Rationals are not indifferent to generosity, gratitude, or recognition, but they are much more please when asked by an admirer to comment on something the [Rational] has produced, especially if the request is for an exposition of their rationale. [Rationals] regard such deference as being given not so much to themselves personally as to their productions. After all, when they make something or do something it is usually after long and sometimes obsessive analysis. So even if they are not especially brilliant, it it to be expected that their productions have been carefully devised, with pros and cons considered, and errors of inclusion and exclusion rooted out."

"But Rationals cannot ask for deference , any more than Guardians can ask for appreciation, or Idealists can ask for recognition. It must come to them spontaneously, or of interest in their work. And, of course, if in their view they haven't achieved anything they regard as worth noting, then they have no desire to be consulted in the matter. But if the have done something rather well, they are pleased when someone defers to them for definition and explanation of their production, and they can be disappointed if none comes their way, or worse, if someone else is asked to expound on what they've accomplished."

"Their problem is that their accomplishment is often so highly technical -- designing a computer chip for instance -- that most people are only vaguely aware of how difficult it was to make, and so have little reason to acknowledge and give credit to its maker. So the vast majority of Rationals who manage to achieve something great are unsung heroes to the public, and therefore heroes only to their family or their colleagues -- and perhaps in their own eyes."

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I ask the respect of being looked at as a human being, no less, no greater.

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Also, I really don't wanna discuss Yogananda's dirty laundry so much, I'm interested in looking at his teachings because that's what really matters, what really effects us. That's what this thread is about: does Yogananda's teachings themselves have something to do with the problems SRF and ourselves are experiencing.

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From Shadowman “prove it” 11/1/01

My concern is, if you continue to criticize the SRF leadership without moving towards an examination of causes, you may end up giving the impression that you are basically in this to smear former employers, supervisors, and heads of the organization for personal reasons.

First off, very few have substantiated their complaints. From the angle of an outside member, it doesn't put you in a favorable light if you liberally toss around terms like "abusive" and "bad ladies" but keep us in the dark about the details. With this tack, you set yourselves up to be perceived as complainers (Labels are subjective judgments. What one considers abusive, another might deem tolerable), OR others may wonder if you are using them to fuel a personal vendetta.

The last possibility is the one that worries me the most. Playing people off one another by spreading misinformation or exaggerated information may be one way to deal with imbalances of power, but it is a soul-corrupting endeavor.

If the intention of this board is to reach out and inform members outside the SRF work environment of real problems then you are working at cross purposes when you critically label without substantiation and then respond to those requesting proof that you either can't give it (because it would jeopardize your identity) or you don't see the need to prove a point to someone who didn't work or live there.

IF YOU MAKE AN ACCUSATION, YOU CARRY THE BURDEN OF PROOF.

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In truth, Punk is trying to maintain a neutral stance on the issue of Yogananda's character. What this means is Punk is keeping an open mind to the possibility that Yogananda might be a self-promoter who used mass hypnosis to gain a following. Punk also is keeping an open mind to other theories, including the one that states that Yogananda is a man of pure realization.

So far, not one person on this board has produced enough convincing evidence to hang a sentence on Yogananda. The fault lies in the fact that very little is known about the man. SRF has done everything possible to shroud the real Yogananda in mystery. His writings have been edited and amended, movies of him are being kept from the public, and a home spun legend has been spewn from the founts of Mt. Washington, the Board of Directors, and the gullible disciples who have demonstrated a pathological tendency to sanitize and denature every bit of Yogananda they touch.

[1/16/04

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I've taken your attacks as "political", meaning that you're fighting to defend Yogananda's ideology by attacking people's personalities that question these teachings. Whether YellowBeard is a NT rational or RF bibblybop, I fail to see how that disqualifies him from being able to talk about these things.

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