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soulcircle Registered User (2/1/03 11:34 pm) Reply	amma in contrast All, In contrast, the door to amma is open, other than the occassional swami, no usher/bouncer type At All is evident almost 24/7 for 30 years she has let tens of millions embrace her she has received death threats, maybe very few, .....early on, a relative attacked her to murder her, but this is almost anecdotal today as in these 30 years, all are held in her arms ALL what a contrast, in ten years has faye been seen more than 5 hours amma since '73 has been hugged 1,800,000 hours but we all have our roles, some as villians, some as heroes sfr monitor, perhaps you find yourself slightly wondering with me: who the villian is, and is yogananda.... as he may have said in the late forties and early fifties.....reminding you and me that srf should be scrapped, having done that we go forward circle
astral7 Registered User (2/2/03 8:12 am) Reply	Re: Daya Mata in contrast Daya Mata, In contrast , because she is not on a 365 day a year vacation, and because Daya Mata is not self-Enamored and desparate for followers and devotees of her own. In contrast; The Good Lady Daya Mata and many others At Self-Realization Fellowship quietly works on 12/7 for all who wish to follow the sacred path of Babaji/Mahasaya/Yukteswar/Yoganandaji's kriya Yoga. It is so sad that so much of their work goes unnoticed, and sometimes unnapreciated. Daya Mata in contrast, is not one to seek power. She did not leave SRF to create her own dynasty like so many others. She instead remained there in appreciation to serve her Guru in a position she never sought and occaisional told master she was not interested in. She does not desire to hold on to power, [as the Pope and other powerful leaders do till there last breath, or even as those in the face of total failure] this may be why she has delegated much of her daily administrative work to Viswananda and others. While she completes many other tasks that can only best be done by her. Such as continuing to edit notes of Yogananda's talks, and her own writings to inspire us all - both those in and out of SRF, and works quietly out of public view sends her love and help to all. Daya Mata in contrast; Some are complaining about the board, she has created a backup committee to double check on decisions, and if you don't like the way this works - save your complaints for later. As any change will never be good enough for those here whose real interest is finding fault with everyone and everything else but themselves. this must be the most popular devotee hobby. Now there are some here that, if something happened to Daya Mata, you would be the first to say "why wasn't there more or better security." And there are very few others who could care less and just have jealousy, or misunderstanding of what this work is even about. They still think that physical appearance is more real than a living liberated spiritual force. Daya Mata in contrast; it is my feeling that another way Daya Mata serves us is: instead of going to public adoration sessions like others, is that she sends us her love and help in prayer or in Samadhi many times each day. With Daya Mata - this may be far more powerful than millions of hugs on the emotional level, to both closed and receptive hearts. It depends on the source too. Jesus also talked about this to the leaders of Judea," you make a show to be seen of men, & you have your reward" Rather, worship your father in secret and He will reward you openly." JC Even Yogananda, now no longer restricted by the physical[as some used to think], reaches far more than those making public appearances. Although in future no doubt SRF will have many different leaders, some of whom may want to have more contact with the public and/or devotees. It may even be one who is humble like Daya Mata, and has no desire for public adoration. We will see all kinds in the future - great souls are never copies of their gurus or predecessors. Because she never wanted the power that some here falsely accuse her of, she has no doubt given others at SRF more room to express sopme of their own ideas - some of those ideas you are still complaining about - the reason for which you may have little or no knowledge. No matter how frustrating you may find it, everything done by an organization may not come with an explanation that pleases everyone. It isn't possible in this world. The more important thing is to leave some room for all that you do not know about those decisions - which may be far more than you do know. And as we have seen - the SRF is flexible and things may change again if needed - but not when or why you think! "Until you have walked in anothers shoes - be quick to praise and slow to criticize" Gus Sward. "no matter what a leader does or does not do he/she will always be criticized." Paramahansa Yogananda. Regards and respect ---astral.7 Edited by: astral7 at: 2/2/03 8:44:02 am
username Registered User (2/2/03 9:03 am) Reply	Re: Daya Mata in contrast I tried to get an appointment with Daya Mata to discuss the state of SRF and never got one. She didn't help me at all!
member108 Registered User (2/2/03 5:08 pm) Reply	Re: Daya Mata in contrast Daya Mata didn't want the power? Have you read any of the stories here or on the Yogananda-DIF.org website? I guess not. And of course she could step down at any time couldn't she and let someone else run SRF? Why this president for life situation? Why does she allow books of her "wonderful" words to be published ahead of Yogananda's books? Why do they sell pictures of her? How do you know she is working all the time? Only a small handful of people are allowed to get close to her. Even the monastics don't know what she does. All evidence suggests it is not much. The place has gone to the dogs and she has no clue about it.
Borg108 Registered User (2/3/03 1:03 am) Reply	Re: Astral 7 - ...be slow to criticize I liked your quote: "Until you have walked in another's shoes, be quick to praise and slow to criticize." I respectfully suggest that you educate yourself a bit more about the goings on at SRF by going to the Specific Stories section of this board and read all the comments by ex-monastics, such as Post Monk. Perhaps one is justified in being skeptical if a single person were to report on something that disagrees with our belief system, just as some people are skeptical of all the "miracles" they read about in the AY. But when many people have walked in the same shoes and report the same things, how can you still doubt them? Do you think we all are, independently, making up this same stuff? Isn't lack of openness to other points of view part of the problem we have been talking about with respect to SRF? Instead of "my country right or wrong", the predominant thinking within SRF is "my religious organization, right or wrong." I'm afraid many of us here no longer feel that way. IMO, a much more healthy attitude is, let's try to make things right. Or let's at least try to understand why it isn't right, so that we are no longer bound by sorrow and confusion stemming from our deep committment to and subsequent alienation from an organization that has greatly disappointed us, and that actually seems antithetical to the great teachings we have been blessed to receive. I can assure you, my friend, that many deep within SRF have experienced great emotional trama because of the kali yuga nature of the organization itself. Please read the other postings by ex-monastics and see if they have any bearing on your point of view, or if you still think we are all just imagining these things. Edited by: Borg108 at: 2/3/03 2:15:25 am
astral7 Registered User (2/3/03 7:50 am) Reply	Re: Daya Mata in contrast Dear Member108; Which books of our Good Daya Mata have been published ahead if Yogananda�s books? From the way you speak, one would think that none of Yogananda's books were published over the last 50 years - again keep a rein on your imagination. How do you know such things? It is a lot easier to write and print book of ones own, than completing the very time consuming task of properly editing and putting together someone else�s notes - some of which are not always the easiest to read and correlate. Eg. If Paramahansa Yogananda�s commentaries on the Bible had been published years ago [in final form] Without proper and updated footnotes, it would be a work lacking in many of the developmental references that have come to us about Jesus and the bible in the last 55 years � a lot of valid stuff. On this same issue, if it never gets published by SRF what is the big deal � it has already been published by SRF in the Self-Realization Fellowship magazines and most of it is touched upon in �God talks with Arrjuna� and Yogananda�s other books. We have to credit Daya Mata with the wonderful job she has done on the verbatim recording of so many of the Masters� talks now published it 3 volumes; Man�s Eternal Quest, The Divine Romance, and Journey to Self-Realization. If she had done nothing else in her years at the ashrams � this alone is worthy of the greatest appreciation from all who really love the Master. And just think! This is only a small fraction of what she has done for us now and in future time. In the last 50 years, so much of Paramahansa Yogananda's work has been published - and in a quality of great excellence and accuracy from my perspective. No one is slouching on this job. SRF publishing is alive and well and thriving. E.g. "God talks with Arjuna" is a publishing and spiritual masterpiece, & was the result of 15 years of work by the good lady Mrinalini Mata and others. Surely you will agree - Good things are worth waiting for! In the meantime there is no reason to stop the publishing of other valuable & inspiring works from realized souls. eg. "A world in transition" is a great book too. Is there really some rush or emergency to see all of Yogananda's work in just a few years? Especially when most devotees as we see here are still learning to read and listen re the Autobiography etc.! I have read the DIF site, a site dedicated to making mountains out of molehills. It is mostly missing the full picture, and other sides of the meaningful facts. So as a result of its limited approach to most matters it is mostly misleading and twisted in the views it does present. As you read of these posts over time - all of this statement will become clearer - but only for those who have learned how to read. I know some of us would like to be there to have some input as the "accuracy and/or authenticity" Yogananda's publications, but like many other issues being carelessly thrown around on a couple of these pages - it does not appear that most of us would have the capacity or have the data to know the dif. When it comes to a lifetime position in the spiritual traditions, this does work in such a way that true succession will not take place until the demise of the present leader. You do not have true spiritual succession-representation by more than one individual of a spiritual lineage at the same time in the same way. Or all would begin taking sides and fracture the tradition/org/lineage. For those who like to write viruses instead of useful PC language fracturing is their game. Daya Mata does not crave or want power - that is why she took the actions already described in my post "Contrast Daya Mata." She has shown no hesitation to share and delegate power at various levels. Some of her sharing may have resulted in some of the alleged actions that are the alleged basis of your alleged complaints about SRF. This ability and willingness to delegate is the mark of a great leader/president. It is the basis of most successful enterprises. And 108, I am sorry to hear that you could not arrange an interview to discuss your concerns with Daya Mata personally. As to be in her presence is an experience of divine love and friendship one does not ever forget. It is a true Darshan. Such was my blessing. Of course many years ago it was much easier for any devotee to see her. Nothing remains the same. Regards and respect astral.7
soulcircle Registered User (2/3/03 11:28 am) Reply	astral7 has been identified, and you were right the secret is out the postings of astral7 have allowed successful backtracking to the origin, to the individual's computer walrus what is your decision will you still allow postings from this monastic paid to do so by the board of directors astral7 is........... .............. make our day, call our bluff
soulcircle Registered User (2/3/03 11:36 am) Reply	to play one more card beofre the trump card astral7 is not even an indivudual so much as a paid/hired collarboration including a professional non-srf writer doing the final draft and here is the trump card, this is also traceable in the budget, not insubstantial, earmarked for the composing and writing [by said professional] srf has a budget now to pay for these postings by "the second coming of shakespeare," and there are copies of checks written to pay the piper/s
chela2020 Registered User (2/3/03 12:30 pm) Reply	Re: Daya Mata in contrast astral 7, The Second Coming of Christ is one of the books that SRF never published of Yogananda's. It was published by Amrita instead.
astral7 Registered User (2/3/03 1:54 pm) Reply	Re: Daya Mata in contrast To all us fine chelas, chiwawas, and chimichangos! On the edition from Arita I saw a while ago, check the intro page - they say that "Yogananda began teaching Kriya yoga after his World tour of 1936." If has been corrected that is good. What else have they got wrong?, besides printing material PY asked that only SRF print. Respect for the wishes of the author are equally as important as respect for the law. Already explained in my last post why it is necessary to take this one [bible commentaries] very slowly - or even not do a special project at all. And that most of that material has already appeared in other places 2 times over. Did you miss that? There are other works of Yogananda's too - but I would rather see the continual excellence of SRF publishing rather than a pointless rush for nothing. We should remember - these works will have to stand up for many years. Self-Realization Fellowship does not need any one to secretly represent them on any boards. Regards and respect astral.7
chela2020 Registered User (2/3/03 3:53 pm) Reply	Re: Daya Mata in contrast Astral 7: You stated: "There are other works of Yogananda's too - but I would rather see the continual excellence of SRF publishing rather than a pointless rush for nothing." Were his original writings nothing? Edited by: chela2020 at: 2/9/03 7:35:32 am
astral7 Registered User (2/3/03 5:12 pm) Reply	Re: Yogananda in contrast Read in my post the example of how Jesus later message re his mission was changed by him, but missed by his disciples for a long time. That is my meaning. You may think you are ready to see all that He wrote now. So many egos pretend, "we are ready for all right now, are we ever great", tell it to the marines. Yogananda's earlier writings are great, but you will not get a clear picture of the whole person/mission if you think those notes only should be worshipped. Everything we will ever need from Him is in the Autobiography and the Self-Realization Fellowship Lessons course. Other inspirations are welcome - but what is the rush. Perhaps those who want to keep reading "new stuff" and never really doing find it great entertainment. The eternal excuse for your own shortcomings always being, "if I could see all the writing right now I would be there." This spiritual path is more that intellectual reading and blind complaining. The SRF has done an excellent job of giving us the real Yogananda. "Timing is everything!" The real Yogananda is much more than His earlier works, that is why he himself made changes along the way. many of Yogananda's ideals are still valid, but for the time period he was in He realized that things should be done differently for now. What is so special about the "original writings" Yogananda was improving them all along, some like the apostles of Jesus [for a while] are either stuck back in time, or fear change of any sort. I am so glad Yogananda and the Self-Realization fellowship are not stuck in that mold. As he left his latest expressions - this is the real Yogananda! regards and respect astral.7 Edited by: astral7 at: 2/3/03 5:46:47 pm
chuckle chela Registered User (2/3/03 8:13 pm) Reply	Yo, Astral! Astral, I sincerely would like to hear from you regarding the issues I raised in my previous post of Feb. 1st. Specifically, what threats against Sri Daya Mata are you aware of, and from where did you get this information? Related to that but perhaps quite apart from it, how do you see SRF as being under threat from Christianity, Judaism, and Islam? What specifics can you point to, and how do you think SRF is responding, will respond, or should respond? I'm very interested in the comments you made previously about these matters, and would genuinely be interested in having you flesh out your thinking on these matters. Thanks.
Lobo Registered User (2/3/03 8:24 pm) Reply	Re: Yogananda in contrast Edited by: Lobo at: 2/4/03 7:11:25 am
Lobo Registered User (2/3/03 9:04 pm) Reply	Re: Yogananda in contrast (This message was left blank) Edited by: Lobo at: 2/4/03 7:10:38 am
soulcircle Registered User (2/3/03 9:27 pm) Reply	good luck chuckle chela Guests and All let's see is srf's paid writer [aka astral7] has selective listening maybe chuckle chela's simple straight forward question [three posts above], twice asked, will never be answered good luck chuckle chela circle Edited by: soulcircle at: 2/3/03 9:29:36 pm
astral7 Registered User (2/4/03 9:42 am) Reply	Re: Yo, Astral! Chow, regards and ,astral.7 Edited by: astral7 at: 2/4/03 9:54:24 pm
soulcircle Registered User (2/4/03 11:53 am) Reply	taboos, the reason physical7 taboo7 Guests ALL and chuckle chela, The reason taboo7 IS srf and srf paid is that srf/apologist7 won't talk about your question pure srf dysfunctional ......won't talk taboos! it would be interesting to see how many subjects you can mention to an srf monastic and they won't say anything other than parroted comment and end of conversation [like "there's a bodyguard" and deafening silence] with you all the way.......friend chuckle chela ~~~~ with psychdev i had trouble getting an answer to a particular question, hence i thought we might have the same experience with uncompassionate srfpaid7he loves good ladies' version of PY who he loves so much, but he loves not those who have lived and built master's work who have been discarded, and are in here as a community of kindness and compassion [master loved all, and astral7 IS setting this poor yogic example, hmmm thinking] master loved all, and astral7 "understands" the teachings? circle thinking Edited by: soulcircle at: 2/4/03 12:15:23 pm
soulcircle Registered User (2/4/03 12:00 pm) Reply	astral7's taboo way is the only way Guests All and Srf Walrus, With the help of all of you, the realization dawns that astral7 and srfpaid7's way ~~~~~~~~ the only way~~~~~~~~~~ the fear farm [srf] way, the taboo way can be accepted by us, we won't change it, or perhaps with time changed via love and healing .....not destroyed as mentioned in this last post, two above, by srf7, in the quote following: *Quote:* Here in modern times comes Paramahansa Yogananda [and other great ones], in a very different setting, whose life examples and wisdom literally destroys some of the basic feeble claims and much of the theology of those groups who are still selling the old soap "ours is the only true way." thank you all srf walrus, guests and all of you circle Edited by: soulcircle at: 2/4/03 12:18:06 pm
soulcircle Registered User (2/4/03 12:11 pm) Reply	don't worry astral7 will continue meeting like this Guests and All, astral7 is getting a high five figure salary/year writing these posts paid7 will continue "meeting like this" gotta envy you astral7 maybe yours is the only way as long as it's compassion and kindness's way, it IS as long as you're listening listening is the "proof" of kindness circle Edited by: soulcircle at: 2/4/03 12:12:24 pm

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