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rayuna Registered User (5/10/02 1:18 pm) Reply ezSupporter	Re: Guru System Revisited U.G. Krishnamurti 1918 - The anti-guru, the nihilist of enlightenment. He says that realization can't be made to happen, that it's a calamity, that if you knew what it's like, you wouldn't want it. He tells people not to listen to him. It can't help, he says. People listen anyway; his words are fascinating. www.realization.org/page/topics/krishnamurti_u_g.htm Realization
soulcircle Registered User (5/11/02 12:40 am) Reply	Re: Website Kevin..thank you for your reply...have read it twice. You will hear from me when i have finished researching at the site you have given. KS, thanks for requesting the site's URL. Happy Mother's Day to the divine Ma/loving intuition I see in you both and SRF Walrus, Musicman, Raja Regum, gardendiva and so many in here!
motlom Registered User (5/14/02 4:51 am) Reply	Guru Papers I read an interesting book a while back that dealt with the subject of "true" gurus, called "The Guru Papers", by Joel Kramer and Diane Alstad. I didn't agree with everything in the book, but the sections on gurus completely changed my view of them. Has anyone else read this? One of the chapters is "Oneness, Enlightenment, and the Mystical Experience". It may anger some, but Kramer tends to play devil's advocate in most of the book. It takes an open, non-defensive mindset to get through a reading like this! Kramer, who is himself a yoga instructor, has a biography online. Edited by: motlom at: 5/14/02 5:48:04 am
soulcircle Registered User (5/15/02 1:17 am) Reply	At the end finding God transcends organizations Thank You Walri, When I first started composing the entry about needing help, one facet was predominant in my seeking help. That was to reach out to a few/several like you and..... gain some insight how little, how much, how to portray a story like mine in the last email... Truly, this board is a major support for numbers of people including myself, and as others are.... I find myself compelled to tell of my decades of loving service, building the renovated Richmond Temple... and of the rotten organization that is parasitic feeding on devotees like me...... I find myself compelled after having given these years of my life carrying on in the tradition of Kamala in North, California....to tell others the joy and beauty is outside srf, basically completely lacking within and the closer you get to BOD I find myself compelled after countless discussions with neophytes thru the decades and telling them the PR line of the BOD like a parrot... that NO! .. from A-Z.. from keeping teachings pure.. to all the examples of the BOD seeking an obedient robot [versus an active, compassionate, creative and expressively loving spiriual community member, rather than a yogini or yogi living a nurturing life in family and community], they want a mormon, roman catholic, somewhat unfriendly clone...... that srf has become a shame or worse..... since 30% of the population are followers....We are compelled to encourage the 70% who actively, shape, share and touch others lives, like ourselves to follow their hearts, especially in distancing ourselves from the fear and mistreatment of people. So in being so compelled as you are, I seek the help of yours in what experience can tell me (new to walrus) about my future postings here, support of present walri, and the presence here for those coming. Thank You Soul Circle Edited by: soulcircle at: 5/15/02 11:42:31 am
aVulcanThinker Registered User (5/15/02 8:08 am) Reply	Re: At the end finding God transcends organizations How moving! Welcome with all the love of our hearts. Your post sums up everything and captures the essence of the feeling aspect--the depth of betrayal we feel. The very ones to whom we looked for guidance and direction and support have become the devil's workers. Daya Mata talked about her vision of a "dark cloud" years ago. The cloud is here, but they are in it, not working to dispel it. Please stay with us and post more. I am encouraged and begin to hope again that a conscious and public understanding of what SRF actually is will increase.
soulcircle Registered User (6/4/02 3:03 am) Reply	Call Me; I'll Call You.....Call Me Dave; I'll Call You~Love~ gardendiva, Kevin, motlam, Musicman, Lobo, aVulcanThinker and Nisarga Again and again I come to this thread, To each feeling and thought That with days, dancing in the years of our experiences With the ride along devotees glen Be it a distant srf center Ananda, Song of the Morning Ranch, Lone Devotee in A World Throbbng in pain The Lake, The Mother Center The Phoenix Temple, The Richmond Temple The Convocations, The Fullerton Temple, Our meditations at home, The Pasadena Temple The Encinitas Colony, The Church of All Religions The newcomers, The "direct" disciples The San Diego Temple, The Tours Worldwide The Lone Devotees, The First Kriyaban we knew And now recoiling from being branded in the fear farm And now Recovery and Healing And now The very deepest flows, feelings and love We paint on these pages with words and sharing And Now Not much of a stretch to say our innocence regained Not much of a stretch for you to call in on Sept 29th 510-734-2777 live anytime 510-237-3206 messages And Now, to hear your voice Not much of a stretch, to say I love you Once at Christmas I stood under banner gracing Mother Center "Love One Another as I Have Loved You" Once we sat at Ananda In a soulcirce with Kamala Laughing as ancient Kamala said, "Yup, You!" Kamala saying, Now I am a Yuppie!" rolling on the floor laughing divinely happy in flowing friendship Now in June, chatting on a phone Graced by the friendships of Love In a Thread Like this Realizing Self And if a guru is anywhere present The guru is utterly informal and sumblime, almost naughty Naught but a hand to hold A Heart to Understand Nothing more *****Nothing Less**** Call Me?Us And Now ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~thankx soulcircle
soulcircle Registered User (3/3/03 4:20 pm) Reply	finding this thread after searching motlom, Kevin, Guests and All, So glad to find motlom's post in this thread after a long search Kevin's quoted poem is an added bonus, i recommend it be added to the opening page of This SRF Walrus Site!!!!!!!!!! In my first hurried typing of this post, there was the following typo in the words above......see it? "added to the opening age of This SRF Walrus Site!!!!!!!!!!" humorcircle/rumorcircle/livin on currycircle
Amidala of Coruscant Registered User (3/24/03 7:33 pm) Reply	Re: Guru System Revisited Right On! Guru with a capital G. We must remember that it is the behaviour of the MC organization in our personal lives that we are sorting through-not Master himself! Kriya works! The Guru's Shakti is real! I certainly am surprised how much I feel kriya shakti even when I no longer attend temple. We love our Master----it's just all the "in-laws" we're having a problem with. He loves us too and it's okay to doubt but always we should "talk" to him about it. Love God, be mad at him, be annoyed with him, yell at him, adore him, whatever---I yelled at Master alll the time that SRF only wants devotees to sing Cosmic Chants and no other music! But whatever we do even if we're mad at him, always have some kind of relationship with God and Guru. Hiranyakasupur hated the Lord and because his mind was on Him so intently, he received liberation. Edited by: Amidala of Coruscant at: 4/2/03 5:41:41 pm

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