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soulcircle
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(2/22/03 11:58 pm)
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the root of all these bad decisions
Guests and All,

A couple or more of us are reflecting on what is the root of many issues here on the board......what ignorance is hampering us in these times

and to take it further beyond any simplistic thinking to a bit more of the complexities, what vine has sprung from roots of ignorance......
vines that have choked out some very important values of compassion and understanding human communication.

in these reflections an earlier post has been of some help,
it is by oldtimer, his subject is Absolutely Right On in core issues in How the SRF experience holds our thinking hostage:
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This is it. This is the core issue. Let me restate it in my own words. And the beauty is that one can use all the information SRF itself publishes to establish this truth.

Master brought a new teaching. He did not bring Hinduism. He did not bring "traditional" Yoga. He did not even bring meditation. He brought a "new dispensation," at the demand of Babaji. (Remember, Master didn't want to come. Even his guru telling him to go wasn't enough. So much for blind obedience.)

And what is this new dispensation? Again, according even to official doctrine, it began with Sri Yukteswar's "smoldering reflections on social reform." Sri Yukteswar wanted to give the people of the West, "greater by far in intelligence than most people congregated [at the Kumbha Mela]," access to the science of Yoga. Babaji agreed: "East and West must establish a golden middle path of activity and spirituality combined."

Now what is this middle path? I submit that it is a new synthesis, something that has not existed before. It is emphatically *not* simply moving from Western thought to Eastern thought. But that is what SRF has become. What you are seeing is the gradual rejection of all the "western" values and learning that are supposed to be an equal part of the new dispensation.

Musicman points out the very different paths the East and West cultures have taken. (Read Campbell, but more importantly, read Jung, and Robert Johnson. Please.) The "line of gurus", I believe, intends to truly synthesize these two threads of humanity into a new culture, the real culture of the higher ages. But the SRF leadership is, frankly, too stupid to understand this. They think that because they keep things neat and clean, and use electricity and plumbing, and even computers(!), they are combining East and West. No.

So the answer to many of your questions is: No, SRF is not supposed to be like this. Yes, it is off track. But virtually everything discussed so far is just a symptom of the core, core issue. Master's mission was to bring Kriya Yoga to the West, and to show the underlying unity of all original Christianity and original Yoga--*not* original Hinduism. It is not his mission to turn the West into the East, nor is it to simply raise the sanitation level of the Indian villages. It is to truly unite East and West.

My personal opinion is that the world is not ready for this yet. Master came to plant seeds, but they have not even begun to sprought yet. Everything we are seeing and experiencing, regarding SRF, is wholly meaningless and irrelevant. In historical terms, it will disappear. Think, for example, of the early Christian church. It took hundreds of years for it to develop. Not that it was very good, but it had its place in the grand sweep of history, and that place took a long time to evolve. The real Christianity was always held by people outside the structure, and it is their tradition that has actually molded Western civilization. (That would be another long thread, but the writings of the Desert Fathers had far more influence on European thought than the church did.)

So, for me, to bottom line is that the SRF organization is a meaningless artifact. Go to the temple, or don't go. Give it money, or don't give it. These are personal decisions. Base them on what your personal life is. But don't imagine for a moment that it has anything to do with eternal Truth, or your soul's relationship with God.


soulcircle

Edited by: soulcircle at: 2/22/03 11:59:21 pm
soulcircle
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(2/23/03 1:57 am)
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the vine choking out compassion and other noble values
Guests and All,

it seems Raja Begum in core issues in Understanding the SRF Temperment in his post More about SRF's Typology-ISTS Typology ....
it seems Raja Begum has identified some branches of the vine that chokes the fellowship,as he lists the following, which he may have found from one of the authors in his research:

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Reluctance to embrace new, untested ideas

Discomfort with or resistance to change

Impatience with processes that take too long

Unwillingness to focus on future needs at the same time as present ones

Inflexibility; inability or unwillingness to adapt when necessary

Inability to focus on "the big picture" and see the implications of actions

Lack of sensitivity as to how people will be affected by policies and decisions

Reluctance to change directions and shift gears when warranted

Unwillingness to instigate or support needed change and calculated risks



soulcircle

Edited by: soulcircle at: 2/23/03 1:57:57 am
KS
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(2/23/03 7:22 am)
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What is the mission of SRF?
We see some of these as root causes of problems only because we assume a different mission for SRF than Daya Mata has for the organization. We have to speculate on what the real mission of SRF is since it is not given by SRF, but we have the following clues.

Publication of Master’s Words: It took them 50 years to publish Master’s Gita. An upgrade of the English Lessons has been finished but unpublished for 10 years. The Lessons have been translated and finished in Italian for many years but only a few were published when Ananda tried to do the same. Is the mission of SRF to disseminate Master’s words?

Organizational Focus: Inside SRF there is a large, powerful, and secret organization called the Office of the President. This is staffed by many non-members and by count is one of the largest departments in SRF. It handles all interactions with large donors, keeps separate files on problem people and maintains black lists, and manages the problematic interactions with India. These people ghost write letters for DM and also isolate her from all criticism. Why would these functions be emphasized inside SRF? Another powerful organization is the Legal department. Why? Public Affairs, which is spin control and sort of the SS, is another powerful group. Why? I failed to mention the power of the Teachings Dissemination Committee since there is none.

Members are the enemy: Many stories on this board have shown that the membership is the enemy. They are afraid of criticism by the membership and take extreme measures to make sure as much as possible is secret. Their fears are due to their projection of their own values and their own understanding of the TRUE mission of SRF. What does this say about the true mission of SRF?

Once we understand the true goal of SRF your list of mysteries will become obvious. Their actions and priorities are only strange to us only because we assume the organization is something it is not.

Edited by: KS at: 2/23/03 7:26:26 am
soulcircle
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(2/23/03 8:41 am)
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the true goal is.......
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Borg108
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(2/23/03 3:28 pm)
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Re: the true goal is.......
The first of the Aims and Ideals of SRF: "To disseminate among the nations a knowledge of definite scientific techniques for attaining direct personal experience of God."

Those who contribute financially to SRF do so in the belief that their funds are being used to further this goal. It's hard for me to see how spending millions of dollars on lawsuits and complicated accounting/control systems has helped do this.

I have to disagree with oldtimer above when he says that SRF has become a vehicle for moving from Western thought to Eastern thought. Hindoo thought, as represented by sanatana dharma, is open and accepting. SRF is closed and dogmatic. It is going the way of the early catholic church, becomming more rigid and institutionalized as time goes on. In the 1960s, SRF seemed in a time warp from when Yoganandaji was around. Now I sense much less of his spirit coming through. It is especially saddening to look at YSS. They are about 40 years behind SRF on the timeline of things, so there is still a sweetness and gentleness there. There are only 25 or so YSS monks, and some of them are unhappy with having had to give up many of their traditional practices to be with YSS. If you can believe it, the YSS lessons are available in no other language but english, which only about 10% of the population there can read and understand. These are usually just the wealthy, educated and westernized Indians. One of the YSS swamis is clearly unhappy about the fact that he translated all the lessons into hindi (about half the country can read and understand it) years ago, but they are not being released. So even in Guruji's own country, the dissemination of kriya yoga is given very little importance. How sad.

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