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Should Free
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(1/22/02 2:41 am)
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Human Emotions -- Dreadful Monastic's Black and White
I transfer here Aumkara's message (I only added the "a" between Param and hamsa which "he forgot to put"8) ) And I also took the liberty to take out the word @#&*%&* to not create a problem to our ez-board operator -- I changed it for "a monk that I admire". Sorry Aumkara I hope you will not mind my little editing. People from @#$%&, please be sensitive to this issue and avoid writting here those @#$%&* words otherwise this subject will also be moved to the bottom away from the SRF devotees where it belongs. I have been an SRF devotee for more than 20 years and I know that this issue about how to deal with our so called "negative' emotions is hot -- because of so much monastic self denial around it.

Aumkara's posting is an extraordinary example of the monastic dangerous Black and White thinking in regard to human emotions -- I wander in fact if he is a monastic! He wrote it in answer to my previous posting where I defend a more flexible, embracing approach towards anger. Please read this; realize how effective the monastic brainwashing has become -- we householders should open a class law-suit for serious damages to our mental health. This is nothing personal towards Mr. Aumkara of course, because in fact we all have been victims of the same monastic black and white thinking. Even if he is a monastic he also has been victimized.

I open this new topic also with the intention of discussing here this crucial subject -- how to deal with our human emotions; mainly: anger, sadness, guilt and anxiety. I invite you to discuss this fundamental issue. Generally speaking, what I have heard and read throughout the years in SRF on "how to deal with the emotions" is limited, poor, presented in black and white terms, guilty inducing, ineffective, primitive -- monasticism. However, there are some important exceptions like in "the chemistry of emotions" and Master's insight on "the connection between thought and emotion." The rest is useless monastic self denial -- at least for the householder.

My answer is at the end:

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Aumkara writes:

Dear Should Free,

As a disciple of ParamAhansa Yogananda, it seems likely you would be interested in what he had to say about Anger. This is from Whispers from Eternity, before Tara got a hold of it (1929 ed)

Demand for the cure of the Anger Habit.

O Spirit, Father save me from attacks of the fever of wrath, which burn my brain, shock my nerves, and poison my blood.

O Father, when I am angry, place before me my mirror of introspection, wherein I shall behold my face made horrid and ugly by my wrath. Father, I do not like to be seen with a disfigured face, so do not let me make my appearance before others with a wrath-wrecked countenance.

Father, teach me to dissolve this anger, which makes me and others so unhappy and miserable. Bless me, that I may never soil by selfish vexation the love of those whom I love and who love me.

Bless me, so that I shall not feed my anger by becoming still more angry. Teach me to cure anger-wounds by the salve of self-respect and the balsam of kindness. Command the lake of my kindness ever to remain undisturbed by the waves of misery making anger-storms.

Make me know, O Father, that even my worst enemy is still my brother and that Thou lovest him, even as Thou lovest me.

ParamAhansa Yogananda

On an additional note, anger is known to be a result of a liver imbalance according to Chinese medicine and a lack of easily assimilated protein. Red meat is not easily assimilated by many people and of course as we all know, the energy of the meat is rajasic-tamasic. These to properties tend to make meat eaters more violent and somewhat dull at the same time. Liver cancer is often the result. My birth father, who was a very angry man, died of liver cancer so I speak from personal experience.

So Should Free, good luck with anger as an energy source. It seems prudent of Yogananda's disciples to work more devotion and love for God. Expressing Third Chakra (fire energy) is less magnetic than Calmness (the Sixth Chakra).

On renunciation, What is your overall goal in life? Self Realization? That's what renunciation means to me whether I am a monk, a monastic house holder (living for God and married-very Dwapara Yuga don't you think? "And....Both instead of "Either.....Or";) , practicing sexual moderation or complete celibacy even of thought (who can really say that except a Master?) my goal is to share every decision I make, every feeling, every desire with God. I do this by meditating on this suggestion of a monk that I admire: "Master, what would you do it this situation? Confronted with these obstacles how would you respond?" Meditating and practicing mentally saying this has helped my heart be freer of the eight meannesses of the heart that Sri Yukteswar describes in The Holy Science.


Hatred, shame, fear, grief, condemnation, race prejudice, pride of pedigree and a narrow sense of respectability are these eight meannesses. When these are removed (the purpose of Kriya Yoga and devotion) what is there to impede the flow of Kundalini? Of Consciousness? Why did Jesus say, "Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God." ?

Yes, Should Free, Out of the Fullness of the Heart, the Mouth Speaketh. Thought are universal, not individual and, as Master said, the heart is a spiritual radio receiver capable of tuning into any thought in the universe. What are you tuning into? Master? Or some other station? What is coming out of your speaker mouth?

Blessings In AUM,

Aumkara


Should Free
Re: Anger as An Energy Source, Meannesses of the Heart
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Dear Aumkara

I have heard and read this SRF type of thoughts a million times -- PLEASE no need to tell me again. I do not believe in them anymore for obvious reasons -- they don't work! At least for the householder. Furthermore, for the householder, Master said much more relevant things about anger. The most significant is in "the chemistry of emotions " -- SRF Lessons. Monastics do not like to emphasize that aspect of the teachings because it challenges their rigidity, and their obsession with renunciation and self-control (self-denial). If you are a householder and want to live your life with the thoughts of a monastic -- good lack to you. I tried long enough -- it doesn't work! The more I drift away from all that Kali Yuga monastic brain washing the better and happier I feel -- that is the ultimate acid test.

Greetings and peace to you -- Should Free

[SRFWALRUS: My only editing was to QUOTE the above section from aumkara to make it easier to read.]

Edited by: srfwalrus at: 1/23/02 7:46:04 am
username
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(1/22/02 7:56 am)
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Re: Human Emotions -- Dreadful Monastic's Black and White
I want to know what kind of protein I can eat and then never experience anger.

Anger has nothing to do with eating red meat, there are lots of angry vegetarians out there.

And does medical science today tell us that eating red meat causes liver damage?

It is all this kind of stuff that makes one crazy, deep down you know it is not true, but everyone is telling you it is, so you end up thinking that there is something wrong with you.

Tusker
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(1/22/02 4:50 pm)
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Just Move On?
The idea that people who have been very, very deeply hurt can simply move on is no more applicable to monastics than it is to householders. Yes, the idea is deeply rooted in the SRF monastic culture, and is used over and over again to shame people, to hurt them even more, and to allow those on power trips to have their way. But this does not make it a valid concept.

The truth is, the monastics receive as little training in how to handle emotions, negative or positive, as anyone else. There isn't anyone there who can teach them how to truly do this. Yes, they talk about it because they are supposed to, and they think that their suppression, repression, denial, rationalization, and projection is emotional control, but it isn't, and this is one of the root causes of the whole problem with SRF as a culture and an organization.

If we were able to trace back to its roots all of the misbehavior that is going on, and the dreadful way they treat people, we would find that it all started with ignorance -- a natural human inability to deal with the strong emotions generated from the way they have been treated. And yet they cling so tightly to their conviction that psychology is bad. Nonsense. The spiritual path is "psychological battle" and not engaging in that battle leads directly to what everyone experiences in dealing with the bad ladies and the innermost circles of SRF.

I was an SRF monastic for almost two decades. Incredible psychological atrocities occur in that environment. Once I began to see behind the actions to the underlying psychological causes it was very clear that those in positions of authority there are some of the most repressed people on the planet. Meditation strengthens the will tremendously and this allows for great feats of endurance, but without the necessary development of discrimination to accompany it, the will loses its way, and, at this point, the damaging results are clear.

There is much in life that can be overlooked, and there are many things that happen to us from which we can simply move on. But there are other, deeper hurts, such as betrayal, that cannot simply be ignored, as some seem to suggest, and we may need psychological support from a trained therapist to work through and resolve such issues.

The problem with SRF monasticism is perhaps simply that too many monastics feel they have "arrived." The longer they are there, the stronger and more prevalent this thought becomes, and the less introspection -- the key to the whole psychological battle -- takes place.

Many of the most senior people there desperately need psychological counseling, but, sadly, they will not take that step.

oldtimer
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(1/22/02 5:24 pm)
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Moving on
Amen, brother/sister. Amen.

KS
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(1/22/02 7:00 pm)
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Right
Double Amen.

One of the chosen
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(1/22/02 11:42 pm)
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Tusker's post
Triple amen. If you people who think that the current application of the teachings is working for monastics but not householders actually knew the monastics, you would know how laughable it is to continue this silly debate about monastics vs. householders. It is wasted energy. It is not working for anybody.

srfwalrus
ezOP
(1/23/02 7:52 am)
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Re: Just Move On?
I also agree with Tusker's message. Good one! However, I do feel the teachings are working for some outside and a FEW inside. The core ideals of Master's message, which is different than the emphasis placed by SRF, is good and helpful. It is not new.

Brother Bhaktananda is an example "inside" and there is a long list of truely wonderful and caring devotees. None of these examples may be the direct result of the SRF Lessons, but ............ :)

Pig Ma
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(1/23/02 9:31 pm)
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Re: Just Move On?
Thank you srfwalrus. I know what these teachings have meant in my life. They have helped me get through over 20 years in law enforcement and have helped me to have a successful marriage (to a non devotee) for over 15 years.

I am now looking into getting an original copy of the SRF lessons. A friend of mine says that they are written in such a way that would never be published in today's current atmosphere in SRF, but that when she reads them she feels like she is getting hit with bullets of truth.

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