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Terrie Unregistered User (2/18/02 2:39 pm) Reply	Kriya Initiation Comes from the Gurus We've all read that true Kriya initiation blessed by the SRF Gurus can only come from SRF. I want to give my experience here. I've received all the SRF Lessons, Kriyananda's 14 Yoga Steps, and all the SRF Sunday Service readings. When the SRF lesson arrived with the Hong Sau Technique, I received a real inner initiation with the presence of Sri Yukteswar remaining for several days. It was a very blissful experience. There was nothing visual, only feeling the presence of the Guru and the wish that the blissful feeling would remain forever. The Kriya lessons came and went with no inner experience of initiation. I half-heartedly tried to practice Kriya, but gave up after awhile. Later two members of my family and I participated in an SRF Kriya initiation at a temple (not Mother Center). We had a great deal of trouble trying not to burst out laughing at all the swallowing and gurgling sounds when the beverage was passed around. (Why didn't they play the organ or something?) After the ceremony we looked at each other in puzzlement. None of us had felt any inner spiritual experience or realization. We decided that the Gurus were not going to give us our Kriya initiation yet. Some years passed. We got sidetracked for awile with the now-revealed guru-paedophile sathya sai baba, but still followed the SRF Gurus and practiced Hong Sau and the Om technique. Due to being hurt by letters from SRF responding to some questions we had, we didn't pay much attention to the organization, though we continued to receive the SRF magazine. We visited Lake Shrine once and had wonderful meditations there. We were somewhat put off by the nun in the publications room, but I don't remember why. (Another Yogananda disciple friend was extemely hurt by an SRF letter refusing to give him Kriya after he had carefully followed all the instructions, etc. He also withdrew from SRF and later took some time with sai baba. Was this later false affiliation (known only to the Gurus) the reason none of us received a real initiation?) Somewhere along the line my husband received an inner Kriya initation. Only two years or so ago I received my own inner Kriya initation by an (unidentified) SRF monk. It was an astral "dream" experience, very low key. I knew it was valid only by the special vibration that went with the experience. The thought came to me at that time, "Oh! SRF is a Mystery School." Meaning that at least the invisible organization does indeed transmit ancient mystery techniques given at initiations. No SRF Guru has yet given me Kriya initiation on the inner plane, only a monk from the inner "Mystery School." I notice very definite results from the practice of Kriya, however. I am reminded that Yogananda practiced Kriya for sometime before Sri Yukteswar gave him Kriya initiatiion. So I am curious about experiences others have had with Kriya initiations. In my experience, initiation certainly doesn't happen simply because a person attends a bona-fide Kriya ceremony conducted by SRF.
Rei Beyrut Registered User (2/19/02 12:38 am) Reply	Re: Kriya Initiation Comes from the Gurus That reminds me of a funny lecture given by Br. Mokhsananda: he described two monks who, upon receiving Kriya by Master himself, did not experience anything noteworthy. "Sir, we understand that we were supposed to see the spiritual eye during Kriya initiation - and we didn't". Nor did I. When Satyananda touched my forehead, his hand was shaking. That's, unfortunately or not, all I experienced.
Kevin Registered User (2/20/02 8:26 am) Reply	Free Kriya RE: Terrie's Kriya Experiences: My understanding is that Kriya's real initiation and blessings come by its practice. It has been preached again and again by SRF and I have to say it has been true for me. During 20 yrs. on the path I heard so many fantastic subjective stories, miracles and revelations that I started to see them as mainly subconscious projections that naturally retain value for the projectant. My approach to KRIYA IS THAT IT SHOULD BE POSTED ON THE INTERNET, the whole detailed instructions published openly, available at libraries, temples and helplines! Kriya Blessings are born from its faithful practice + devotion, so why should we restrict its spreading? The technique defends itself pretty well from unqualified practitioners! Babaji said that even just a little practice of IT will save one from great fears. Kriya is like rain, food, air, it is energy and it is free! Why keep it prisoner with the pretest of keeping it pure? Kriya has been modified several times already by Babji, By Lahiri , By Sri Yukt., By Yogananda ! It has been practiced for centuries in different ways. Energy is flexible ! Also, what is the B.S. that someone who leaves the Kriya Path is condemned to 7 lifetimes of suffering? (it seems to be a shared fear of many a devotee! Like, if one accepts and then you rejects this specific God's grace one will pay dearly!) Away with Kali Yuga thinking of Hell and damnation and punishment IF YOU DON'T DO THIS OR THAT AS I (the intermediate between God and you) TELL YOU TO DO IT. Babaji said it simply: even a little practice of this dharma will save you from great fears! If one does it it's a blessing , if one doesn't want it now, well, let's have faith and see that it is a blessing too!
Lobo Registered User (2/20/02 6:54 pm) Reply	Re: Free Kriya "Condemned to seven incarnations of suffering?" Wow, that's a new one to me. Where did this bit of spiritual blackmail come in and who are they that you refer in terms of propagating such a medieval idea? I don't believe that God cares one wit what path one uses to find HIm/Her. It is absurd on its face and reminds me of the long-ago days of fundamentalist sunday school when we were taught to fear going to hell if we didn't accept "Jesus as your personal saviour." I know that SRF is hardening into a monolithic, dogmatic institution but if this is something that the "spiritual successor" and her minions have devised to keep members tithing regularly I can only laugh. If so they have way too much time of their hands!
Web Kriya Unregistered User (2/28/02 7:57 am) Reply	Kriya Techniques available on the Web SECOND TRY: all four KRIYA INITIATIONS are now available on the web though in Italian. take a look (if I can get this link to work): surf.to/kriya
vale Unregistered User (3/1/02 2:38 pm) Reply	kriya in the internet in the site you mentioned you will find the 4 kriyas tecniques but not the INITIATIONS.I want to be led to God by my Guru,not by a computer.Remember,dear one the tecniques are not the blessing;this can come only from Guru through the practice of the tecniques.The story of the great Yogi Milarepa (I hope you know it)exemplifies perfectly this point.Besides,I knows the man who put the tecniques on line and I can tell you he makes a lot of confusion of a miriad of spiritual,esoteric,etc.sources:don't waste your time with him..With love,Valerio.
Crazy Yogue Unregistered User (3/2/02 8:08 am) Reply	Kriya in the internet Thanks for the post Web Kriya! Can someone please translate this site to english?
vale Unregistered User (3/2/02 12:38 pm) Reply	tranlate kriya in english? I could by I'll never do.This is not the correct way to approach Kriya.
username Registered User (3/2/02 1:25 pm) Reply	kriya I can translate Italian. Send me an e-mail
vale Unregistered User (3/2/02 2:46 pm) Reply	The curiosity seeker who can translate italian! Master , Paramahansa Yogananda , used to call people like you 'Curiosity seeker'.Do you like to be one of them?
Archangel Unregistered User (3/2/02 3:24 pm) Reply	To Vale Vale: you do not have to translate the kriya for us I probably would not to it either, but I have notice reading you messages that you are disgusted with this board. You remind of Narada in Master lessons story �The Bad Man who was preferred by God�. Narada was so disgusted with the drunk man, angry, cursing and shouting to God in try to fit is pole in the hole but he was so fascinated with the anchorite such great example of virtue, yet God could not even remember him, but He surely remembered very well the drunk man right Vale? So remember many of the SRF monks and nuns that you are so much fascinated with they are not what you think they are. I know if you could you would burn this site to fire, but you know there is love here, there is understanding, there is crying for help, and yes cursing and shouting also. No Anchorite here trying to hide what they really are. Not all the superficial fakeness of divine friendship and at the first opportunity they stub you in the back, only what we truly are. Look in the heart of people like God does. Didn�t Jesus picked his disciples from common people? Even from prostitutes, He didn�t go to the Temple and picked the priests, example of great virtue which were all so much respected and venerated by the people for what they represented, The heart was corrupted. Yes we know about the kriya initiation that without the Guru�s blessing is just a breading exercise. But I would rather say without God blessing, if a person heart is pure and has devotion for God if he/she practice pranayam will receive great blessing even if they do not know who Yogananda is. The purity of heart is what counts. Archangel
fromLA Unregistered User (3/2/02 4:34 pm) Reply	To Archangel Yours is possibly the most moving, sincere, and important post on this entire board. Thank you most sincerely. Walrus, can you move this somewhere near the top? I don't know about the rest of the thread, but this message is pure gold.
srfwalrus ezOP (3/2/02 4:38 pm) Reply	Re: To Archangel Anyone can start a new thread. I can't move just part of a thread as it is but please feel free to cut and paste this and refer to what ever. The wonders of a free and open board!
Crazy Yogue Unregistered User (3/3/02 4:01 am) Reply	Kriya pratice Hi Vale, No im not a curiosity seeker. I spend all my free time praticing kriya(first kriya). I dont have any other objective except God realization. If this isnt the correct approach to Kriya, im sorry i cant help. I dont have contact with any teacher, and i cant wait 50 years to receive the lessons from SRF. Love Sergio
Been there Unregistered User (3/3/02 9:30 am) Reply	To Vale I don't mean to gang up on you, Vale, but what do you gain from trying to control us? We know very well the philosophy you espouse. So education is not what we need. Neither do we need scolding. Many of us have had more than you can imagine. Neither do we need to be fed more fear. We have had enough. I used to ejoy raging against the infidels myself on occasion and looking back, I think my passion came from my conviction that I was right and they were wrong. I thought that through SRF I had finally been able to isolate myself from evil and uncertainty. It was an attractive delusion but it came with a price and when I woke up,the crash was painful. I hope you gain all you can from your sadhana and your beliefs. But don't think you are helping either you or us through your attempts to control what we do.
vale Unregistered User (3/3/02 12:35 pm) Reply	Spiritual laws come from God In His autobyography Gurudeva ,in the chapter about Kriya tells he is giving an idea of what Kriya is and that the real tecnique has to be learnt by an autorized kriyaban.Now,a computer is not a kriaban,nor will the tecnique bring about liberation without God's and a guru's blessings.God do love everybody,but it is also true that He made all laws included spiritual laws. To you all I want to say that there is not place for hate in my heart;I don't desire to burn this board,but I am displeased to see people who treat such sacred things in such a light manner.And ,as I don't want to hurt you further(as many of you felt hurt for what I said in this board),and as it is difficult for me to read your harsh judjments about SRF and even about Master here and there ,I think it is better for all if I retire from this forum.Thank you for letting me here for a time and forgive me if on occasions I've been hard with somebody Divine frienship and love for you all,Valerio.
kbmiller Registered User (3/4/02 12:02 pm) Reply	Re: Spiritual laws come from God Do you honestly think that God would withhold blessing from a person who honestly wants to deepen their meditation just because they didn't go through a guru. That's fundamentalism and it's not the God I'm trying to find. Edited by: kbmiller at: 3/4/02 12:04:00 pm
Archangel Unregistered User (3/4/02 12:11 pm) Reply	Re: Spiritual laws come from God Thank you for helping out KBmiller, somtimes I would like to add more to my messages, but I'm not a fast typer.
Ringbearer Unregistered User (3/4/02 8:40 pm) Reply	Re:Spiritual Laws come From God "Do you honestly think that God would withhold blessing from a person who honestly wants to deepen their meditation just because they didn't go through a guru. That's fundamentalism and it's not the God I'm trying to find." Who knows? I doubt that God can be reduced to a rule in any matter. However, it was the great Masters who developed these techniques such as Kriya, etc. and they also gave instruction concerning the transmission of these techniques. If a person believes that he can disregard the instructions of the Masters regarding the transmission of the techniques because it is too troublesome then why even bother with their instruction concerning the techniques in the first place? Why not just make up your own techniques? On the otherhand if you believe the Masters had enough insight that you would bother spending hours everyday practicing the techniques they taught then perhaps it might also be wise to consider other aspects of their instruction? God can't be reduced to a rule. But there are physical, mental and spiritual mechanisms that the universe typically follows. The techniques we practice are designed to take advantage of these mechanisms. One does not have to practice Kriya to become liberated but the great spiritual scientists have found that it is a helpful practice. Thus, for a Kriyaban, practicing Kriya is not fundementalism but practicality. Perhaps other aspects of these Masters instructions (e.g. on transmission of Kriya) should also be considered in a similar light?
Kevin Registered User (3/4/02 9:08 pm) Reply	God has brought Kriya on the WEB Someone in Italy has guts! Oh Divine Inspiration! Kriya is now free from orthodoxy and control. Who knows? Maybe God, Babaji or whoever is in charge has decided that SRF didn't deserve a monopoly anymore! In many ways SRF tried to 'own' it, at least in the West! It is like the Pope trying to own Holy Communion! Never forget that the blessings of God are always there and that the gurus will help anyone who is sincerely striving for God. It is Self-Realization not SRF-realization! Whenever the disciple is ready the guru and his blessings appear, whenever the blessing is deserved it comes! It is a natural development! Whoever posted the Kriya on the web probably went through a lot of what many on this board went through with SRF and is probably far enough to be out of reach of SRF mastiffs, sorry, lawyers! I am sorry that someone feels so saddened by the kriya posting but nothing that is really spiritually precious can be destroyed or 'really' desacreted, if that is how you perceive it. For me it is a milestone that should be welcomed and cherished! Hallelujah! If this trend goes on SRF will have to distinguish itself from other organizations only by its behavior, not by owning 'secret techniques' and special manipulated blessings or guru-channelings. Yogananda's spirit will have to prevail by love and understanding not by lawsuits. Again, don't be afraid that Kriya is free, it defends itself pretty well. Only who will practice it regularly and faithfully for many years will actually move on.... and how many are willing to do it if what they want is just powers or thrills? Very few and those few will soon discover that its power is nothing without a good dose of devotion! It's mathematical, it cannot fail !!!
username Registered User (3/5/02 6:47 am) Reply	Re: God has brought Kriya on the WEB "the instuctions of the masters" SRF ignores these: 1) there will be no organization 2) kriya is given by the guru - not a printing press. Hey, SRF techniques are so secret that even devoted SRF members of 15 and 20 years do not even know the higher techniques exist. Now what does that really tell us about SRF and how it distributes kriya, and the relationship SRF has with its members. Obviously, SRF doesn't know its members very well, and obviously cares about their spiritual progress even less.

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