SRF reveals the reasons for its problems!

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member108 Registered User (1/26/03 6:12 am) Reply	SRF reveals the reasons for its problems! I spoke to an SRF minister who told me the reasons for all these problems at SRF. I was specifically concerned about the layoffs and how they were being handled with such little regard for the employees. The minister said Mother Center told him the following. *Quote:* SRF tried turning over control to lay disciples and it didn’t work out. The lay disciples are the problem! From the clever minds of the bad ladies we have once again seen the mental gymnastics they are capable of. This will be perfect for the outside membership who desperately wants to believe that SRF is lead by infallible yogi saints. The membership will want to believe this and of course will. Insiders will know that while some lay disciples have been managers they ALWAYS reported to monastics. In fact lay disciples are kept in little boxes of control and never given much authority. There are some “important” lay disciples in areas like Public Affairs, but they are part of the problem and not being touched by layoffs. Thirty monastics left due to the lay disciples? Whistle blower lay disciples have been fired due to the lay disciples? The complaints on this board rarely discuss business problems they discuss problems with integrity, how people are treated, and cowardice. This new excuse is just another cowardly act. As with a lot of stuff, the excuses and cover up of their problems reveals more than my original question on the layoff process. We could certainly debate if lay disciples should really have authority. That is a separate debate. However, there is not debate that they have not been given authority. This excuse is terrible. Of course years ago in the mid 50's lay disciples DID run SRF. That was before the bad ladies took over. But that is documented all over this board.
KS Registered User (2/1/03 9:21 pm) Reply	Re: SRF reveals the reasons for its problems! Darn those members!
Amidala of Coruscant Registered User (3/24/03 7:38 pm) Reply	Re: SRF reveals the reasons for its problems! Amazing! I believe it! Lay disciples were the ones who kicked me out of the kirtan and Satyananda tried to talk to them but they stood their ground so I think they "bullied" him over to "their side." For so many years I yearned to be in the kirtan and as soon as I gave everything up to move near a temple, I was kicked out of the kirtan and evicted by the devotees I was staying with who were also lay disciples! One of those disciples told me I could not sit on the floor in lotus in the temple anymore. $:\$ Edited by: Amidala of Coruscant at: 4/2/03 5:39:50 pm
KS Registered User (6/27/03 5:29 am) Reply	Re: SRF reveals the reasons for its problems! You believe it? Hello? I assume you are kidding. Who do you think setup the crazy rules at temples? Who do you think promoted and enabled those crazy people to rise up in the temple to leadership positions? SRF created the culture that allows that stuff to go on. Daya Mata created the SRF culture.
soulcircle Registered User (6/27/03 1:08 pm) Reply	Re: SRF reveals the reasons for its problems! Guests and All, Is this the lack of nurturing by Mother Center? In Not In the Mainstream Menu Item, dawnrays says: *Quote:* I think the denial of the female and nurturing instinct in srf is another problem. "Mother" Center? Please. thank you KS, circle Edited by: soulcircle at: 6/27/03 1:09 pm
Notice the Noticer Registered User (6/28/03 1:53 pm) Reply	Re: SRF reveals the reasons for its problems! *Quote:* The minister said Mother Center told him the following. Quote: ----------------------------------------------------------------- SRF tried turning over control to lay disciples and it didn’t work out. ----------------------------------------------------------------- %%%%%%%% >>>>>>>>>>> OH, MY GOD!!!!!!!! <<<<<<<<<<<%%%%%%% I hadn't seen this thread before. Ok, now THAT IS THE LIVIN' END! "We tried to turn control over to lay members." ?!?!?!?!?!?!? I am stunned beyond words. As a lay disciple, I was treated like I was the thing that crawled out from UNDER the things that crawl out from under rocks. That lay people would EVER be given ANY power is the comedy of the century. Can we nominate them retroactively for an Emmy? Amidala is so correct in that lay members often turn into bullies; but they can ONLY bully other lay members. The powerless turning against the powerless. Ever heard of divide and conquer? Man, it's not that I needed any more proof of MC's insane deceitfulness and fascist actions, but this ALONE would be enough to convince anyone who is not mummified in their own denial.
soulcircle Registered User (6/28/03 3:51 pm) Reply	Notice the Noticer high five
True Enuf Registered User (6/28/03 6:32 pm) Reply	Re: SRF reveals the reasons for its problems! And on top of it all, the common practice in organized entities is that the buck starts and stops at the top, whether in the corporate world, the military, etc... That's where the tone is set and where ultimate responsibility lies. That the head of the Air Force Academy allegedly didn't know anything about the sexual abuse taking place there was not even offered as an excuse, because it would be immediately dismissed as irrelevant. He was the head, period, it was on his watch, and now he's demoted and gone. Only in our little Alice in Wonderland, where things are not what they appear to be, do a different set of rules apply. But the ever patient karmic law lies in wait, where the only variable is pay me now or pay me later.
crogman1 Registered User (6/29/03 6:16 am) Reply	Re: SRF reveals the reasons for its problems! This is another example of twisted/evil thinking by the SRF leadership. In the minds of the bad ladies maybe they did think they turned over some control to the members. SRF did give the leadership of the printing department to SRF members. These managers were given no real authority and eventually quit. These members were actually not very good managers but after they quit they just put more poor members in charge. Of course they made sure these were "loyal" members. All original managers were constantly involved in control issues with the bad ladies and given no real authority. SRF did push all the monks out of the computer department and put members in charge. All the monks were pushed out because they disagreed with the massive accounting project costing millions a year. The new member managers, computer professionals, also disagreed with how the money was being spent. They were fired without explanation and a loyal member with little computer experience was put in charge. The original managers were constantly involved in control issues with the bad ladies and given no real authority. SRF did hire a member couple to manage the Encinitas retreat. They were constantly involved in control issues with the bad ladies and given no real authority. They were eventually fired without explanation. This is the story which eventually cost a board member her job as this became a little public and they had to come down on someone. SRF did hire a member couple to manage the Lake Shrine retreat. They were constantly involved in control issues with the bad ladies and given no real authority. The man was eventually fired without explanation. So much had gone on inside SRF at this point that this man at least sued SRF to recover some money to live on until he got back on his feet. In the sick demented minds of the bad ladies SRF probably does think they tried to turn over some control to members. Try to see this through their eyes. What they think didn’t work out was that these members had minds of their own and actually criticized the SRF leadership. Imagine! The bad ladies had always lived in a criticism free environment. If a monastic said something they were gone or reassigned. (Note that Bro Bhaktananda has been exiled to Hollywood for 30 years!!) What “didn’t work” was that people didn’t go along with the cult thinking. Members are too independent. The bad ladies begin to lose their absolute control with members around. FEAR. Fear is the name of the game up there. Fear fear fear.
Notice the Noticer Registered User (6/29/03 9:14 am) Reply	Re: SRF reveals the reasons for its problems! Yes, that is my experience as a former employee. When you were "put in charge" of doing something, it meant two things: You did exactly what you were told to do by the monastics; and You were expected to bully the other lay employees into complying with the monastics' instructions. I guess their fear, fear, fear, gives rise to their hatred, hatred, hatred. It was the latter that was most obvious to me. Edited by: Notice the Noticer at: 6/29/03 9:16 am
crogman1 Registered User (6/29/03 11:21 am) Reply	Re: SRF reveals the reasons for its problems! Exactly. That was my experience as well. In a normal moderately well run company the president is of course in charge. No question. However, a real manager delegates authority but not responsibility. In SRF Daya Mata delegates responsibility but not authority. She and the bad ladies object to you even thinking you might make a decision. What an ego you must have to think otherwise! God sent us to run this great work! Edited by: crogman1 at: 6/29/03 11:22 am
True Enuf Registered User (6/29/03 5:14 pm) Reply	Re: SRF reveals the reasons for its problems! Imagine explaining this to a Fortune 500 CEO, or anyone for that matter with an MBA. The conversation might go like this: Q.- "What would you think of a president who cedes no authority yet accepts no responsiblity for the state of the company?" A.- (After a non-comprehending stare that signifies "Huh?) "Look, don't waste my time positing stupid, nonsensical questions. If you want to ask me something that contains at least a modicum of intelligence, why don't you ask me how my pet siamese cat would perform as president? Goodbye!"
Borg108 Registered User (6/29/03 6:18 pm) Reply	Re: SRF reveals the reasons for its problems! (This message was left blank) Edited by: Borg108 at: 7/4/03 5:34 am
soulcircle Registered User (6/29/03 6:27 pm) Reply	I agree Guests and All, Oh Do I ...................AGREE? This is one of the vey best threads I have ever seen in here. Please, please computer wizards, put a hyper link to crogman1 6/29/03 6:16am post, in Links to Really Good Threads!! .... if possible with True Enuf's 11:am post. Oh I do AGREE! soulcircle Edited by: soulcircle at: 6/29/03 6:29 pm
True Enuf Registered User (6/29/03 8:14 pm) Reply	Re: SRF reveals the reasons for its problems! And let's not forget the Sister (a few years back and whose name I'll not mention) who became very distraught at MC, but not violent, and what did Uma do for this poor soul, after serving for 20 years or so? Offer comfort? Offer help? How about immediately call the authorities to have her removed in a straitjacket. (Thankfully she's married now and OK) Real angels of mercy...
Amidala of Coruscant Registered User (7/1/03 6:08 pm) Reply	Re: SRF reveals the reasons for its problems! Crogman was talking about Bhaktananda being exiled. I thought he was really popular with SRF. Did he have problems with SRF too?
KS Registered User (7/1/03 7:24 pm) Reply	Re: SRF reveals the reasons for its problems! I think what crog means is that Bro B is at Hollywood and has been for more than 30 years. He is not on the board of directors, is not consulted on anything, is not given a major talk at the convention each summer, is not allowed to be filmed at the temple, etc... Exiled. He was sent to Hollywood to get him away from the core power structure within SRF. He was not a team player for all the things the bad ladies wanted to do. They can't have a man of character around, it is too distracting. The Mata's need to sometimes do unpleasent things to protect Master's teachings. These things are necessary (they think) but a little voice makes them feel guilty. With Bro B around they would just be reminded of how off track they are. Bro B is a nice sweet gentle saintly man. Too bad his visibility at Hollywood makes so many think SRF has some value for them. For Bhaktananda I am sure all he sees is Master. He doesn't mistake the bad ladies for Master on Earth. If he ever saw it I am sure he would be shocked that so many do. Edited by: KS at: 7/1/03 7:27 pm
Amidala of Coruscant Registered User (7/1/03 10:12 pm) Reply	Re: SRF reveals the reasons for its problems! Actually he usually would do his satsang every single year at convocation.
Borg108 Registered User (7/2/03 7:28 am) Reply	Re: SRF reveals the reasons for its problems! KS, Actually, it is possible to attend the group meditations at the Hollywood temple (and at Luther's nearby house in the past), benefit form Bro B's inspiration and counsel, and not have too much else to do with SRF. I did this myself for years. In that sense, SRF does have some value. One can just take from it what one wants or needs and try to leave the rest behind. Edited by: Borg108 at: 7/4/03 5:33 am
KS Registered User (7/3/03 6:11 am) Reply	Re: SRF reveals the reasons for its problems! You avoided SRF but want to claim it has value? Attending a meditation is not experiencing SRF. Try working there or becoming a monastic. Try volunteering time in the mother center kitchen for a summer vacation. That is experiencing SRF. Try writing a letter critical of what they have done. Try working at the Lake Shrine and asking to be paid for the overtime you worked. Some members there had to threaten to sue to get their money as have others at the HQ. SRF has value? Let’s say you have a failing public school in your neighborhood. The school has a drop out rate of 70%. Those that do get through are so poorly trained that they can’t get jobs or get into college. However, it does provide a place for kids to go for a few years to keep them off the streets. I guess you could say the school has value. There are other places to meditate. How about your own home? There are other places to meet people, really nice people. There are other places with nice gardens. Amazon sells Master’s books so those are available somewhere else too. What is the value you see in SRF?
Borg108 Registered User (7/3/03 8:24 am) Reply	Re: SRF reveals the reasons for its problems! KS, I have tried working there, being a monastic, and serving in many ways throughout the years. I have been sorely disappointed and saddened with much that I have learned and experienced from being deep inside the bowels of the beast. However, I see that SRF has value in the sense that it disseminates Guruji's teachings, provides a way to establish a spiritual connection with the SRF line of Gurus through initiation and attunement, and gives opportunities for group meditations. Even after many years of meditating, many people, including myself, find they can go deeper by participating in group meditations because of the spiritual force they generate. (Christ said where two or more are gathered in my name, there am I.) A FEW of the monastics, such as Bro Bhaktananda and Bhavananda, can be helpful and inspiring, as pointed out by others on the board. So why not be like the ant who takes away the grains of sugar and leaves the sand behind? There is no perfection anywhere in this world of maya, but there is usually some goodness to be found, even in organizations like SRF. Or you can choose to only see darkness. It's up to you..... Edited by: Borg108 at: 7/3/03 8:41 am

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