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Vulcan Unregistered User (2/17/02 2:53 pm)	to Vale Vale: I never saw your posts, so I don't know why they might have been deleted. It appears to me the moderator does a pretty good job (not perfect!) of leaving things up so long as they are not abusive to a person or to the board. By "abusive to the board" I mean those posts that make the board itself appear less serious, or decrease its credibility, or simply criticize the people posting here without presenting any alternative information or point of view. Perhaps you could re-post your thoughts or feelings, focusing more on what you think is wrong with the board, rather than simply accusing people of being in league with satan? I presume you are responding to something I posted, since I started this thread, and you posted in this thread. May I ask the moderator to leave any messages here, at least until I can respond? You can then decide if the whole thing is too far off track, and respond accordingly. P.S. Vale, no one minds the form of your English! Post away.
vale Unregistered User (2/18/02 9:32 am)	collaboration with maya-satan Dear Vulcan you are so kind in your answer to me and i surely i will answer you;first thing when i say many of you are collaborating with satan i'm not telling you are willingly doing it,but with all the angry assertion i read and the unspiritual titles you(not you,as vulcano but many of you who are wrigting here)use against SRF monks and nuns and sometime even with Gurudeva willingly or unwillingly you cooperate with the disperate attempt of negative forces to destroy something i consider divine and tremendously inspiring.Tell me what good would come out even with a little doubt about Gurudeva celibacy?Why insult Sri Daya Ma ;She is a saint...and so on with other Matas,Brothers etc..You know how happy are those who study new religions and sects(GRISS in Italy,for example is telling any kind of lies and bad things agaist Master ,SRF,the Paramagurus and SRF groups and circles in Italy)when you give so much food for them to use and abuse? Second thing;why don't use a spiritual language while expressing our thoughts and ideas;afterall we all are(I hope at least) devoties of Gurudeva and surely when He treated with problems He was always so kind .Please,never forget you all are representatives of Master:we must be kind and compassionate and use good terms.Of course this is my opinion .Thank you for reading me
Shata Unregistered User (2/18/02 10:46 am)	Vale Vale, Other people responded kindly to you too and told you some valuable things also. Don't be so ungrateful and narrow-minded.
username Registered User (2/18/02 12:39 pm)	Re: Vale vale, I don't know what GRISS is. Please explain.
Vulcan Unregistered User (2/18/02 2:59 pm)	Re: Collaboration... Thanks, Vale, for trying again. I appreciate your concern and sincerity. I also do not like some of the postings and their tone, but that's what one gets on a public board. I'm curious as to why you posted on this thread. As I said before, I'm very much interested in what your concern might be about this particular topic. I gather from your postings--and I readily acknowledge this is some of my own projection, since we don't know each other--that you are disturbed by any criticism of Master, any of the board of directors, or of SRF in any way. I deduce that you believe all the actions of the SRF leadership are divinely inspired and not to be questioned. If this is incorrect, please forgive me, and please correct my perception. However, let me proceed based on those assumptions. The basic purpose for this board is to address and understand very deep patterns of hurtful, abusive, and unspiritual behavior experienced by large numbers of monastics and lay members, at the hands of the SRF leadership. I, again, am guessing that you have not spent many years interacting closely with these individuals, so your understanding is based solely on belief, not on experience. It is precisely because many of us are so dedicated and loyal to our guru that we bring these matters out (only semi-publicly). One motivation is to help those who have been hurt to understand their situation and heal. Another motivation is to help others to avoid being hurt. A third motivation is to, perhaps, over a long period of time, change the dismal state of affairs. You, like some others, may choose to believe that there is no such hurtful behavior, that these individuals act at all times with perfect attunement with divine will, and that anyone who feels hurt is not learning some lesson. You are free to believe in that way. Understand, however, that you are believing, not experiencing. You are expressing your own wish for a certain reality, and in doing so you are contradicting others' perceptions, perceptions based on direct experience. Finally, there is nothing inconsistent in being a true and loyal disciple, and in criticising the SRF organization or some of its leaders. There is no example in all of human history of organizational perfection, and there never will be. I think many people wrongly believe that because we are now in a "higher age," all the rules have changed. Nothing could be further from the truth. First, we are only in Dwapara Yuga, and just beginning it, at that. Second, even in the highest ages, there is always good and evil, and right and wrong. It is only the weighting that changes. Remember that the most powerful of evil demons come during the highest ages. I would be very happy to exchange views with you on any of the specific items in my earlier postings to which you might object. There is a reason you are drawn to this site; perhaps it would be helpful to you to explore why.
vale Unregistered User (2/19/02 9:01 am)	griss GRiSS in an association promoted by the Catholic Church and translated it could be ;'Italian Group for Sects Research'.They don't only research but try to destroy sects by giving a totally distorted idea about any spiritual path or group,or doctrin that is different from the theology of the Catholic Church.And when I say:'Giving a totally distorted idea',I say nothing compared with what they do.
vale Unregistered User (2/19/02 9:34 am)	Yes ,I believe...... Dear Vulcan I appreciated very much your kind answer.Thank you.Nevertheless I don't want to give a long replay because we could spend all our life discussing about this subject and never understand each other:I love Gurudeva ,I love God and I deeple love SRF that our Gurudeva founded with so much enthusiasm for the dissemination of His Teachings.SRF is my Spiritual Mother ,and I am a loving child of Hers no matter how She could treat me.Gurudeva cannot but love His Society,even if It sould err;and I say 'should' not 'is'.I'm more than sure that Gurudeva Himself is guiding SRF. Gurudeva used to say;'When this I shall die than I'll know who am I'.Yes it is difficult indeed because we always want to control everything and are afraid that others may abuse of our being surrendered:I've already done my choise to surrender to God,Gurudeva and Paramagurus and SRF,come what may.Thank you for giving me your time and your patience.Your :'winn or die' Vale
Vale Unregistered User (2/19/02 9:50 am)	narrow-mindedness? When I received Kriya from the Revered Sri Daya Ma I submitted,as you all ,I think,a vow to be loyal to God ,Paramagurus,Gurudeva and SRF .Mine is loyalty to the end (with God's grace),not narrow-mindedness.I try to understand you all but when I see people going even a little bit away from this vow ,I'm sorry,I cannot but be saddened by this fact and stop following them no matter how much love and respect I feel for them.Your vale
len Unregistered User (2/19/02 2:47 pm)	Wrong board Vale I think you are on the wrong board. Perhaps you found this board by accident thinking it was an SRF devotional board or something. This is the board for you: www.yogananda.net
Contributor Unregistered User (2/19/02 2:54 pm)	Contributor is NOT AumBoy In fairness to AumBoy, he is off the hook! I am not he. I still don't see much value in being told I am in league with Satan because I have experienced awful things at the hands of the SRF bad ladies that few people ever will and have helped present a more realistic picture of life at the center of SRF. Disbelief, denial, projection, etc. are all understandable, but, again, don't help much or create a real desire to engage in conversation. I still think Vale may contribute something of value to the discussion if he chooses to do so. One doesn't have to agree, but a little respect goes a long way. Posting a couple of messages that reek of blind, unquestioning, fear-driven SRF dogma do not create a desire to engage.
Vale Unregistered User (2/20/02 6:41 am)	To Ien Dear Ien,you gave me a precious advice with www.yogananda.net,I didn't know of it:you know,I'm usinc PC for no longer than 3 month and I know very little about internet.I found your board following the word 'Yogananda' in an italian reserch engine.Thank you very much-Vale
AumBoy Registered User (2/20/02 8:19 pm)	Re: GRISS In Mexico, SRF is (if I remember correctly) a scientific organization due to the fact that the only recognized "religious" organization is the Catholic church.
soulcircle Registered User (5/22/02 4:05 am)	does goddess/god know karaniruda, *Quote:* Ask God, no one else really knows does god know does god know why 40,000 die today from starvation and related disease more important does god know why he ever let a soul commit such heinous bad actions that it dies from starvation, why he lets even one of these 40,000 perish watched by the eyes of its heart broken parents does god even know does god know.......how ........................to explain it all to me soulcircle Edited by: soulcircle at: 5/23/02 9:55:04 pm
chela be4 Registered User (5/22/02 12:43 pm)	Re: does goddess/god know If we view this, our life here on earth, as the only life we have, then surely the destruction, violence and carnage we see will be all consuming of our happiness and all will feel hopeless. There appears to be no reason, no justice. But Master has repeatedly told us that we are the soul, Soulcircle. That we are an indestructible drop of God and that we only put on the clothes of this body for this incarnation in order to play a apart on God's drama, God's Lila. Master has told us there is no reality to this world we are interacting in. That as the soul we have No Birth, No Death. Was I devastated by the events that have happened of late? Absolutely. But I cling with all my heart to the truths that PY has given us and know that the souls of all those innocent people have moved on to the astral planes and their next incarnations here on earth or elsewhere. Yes, God knows. It's his Lila, it's his playground; how ever much we may not understand at this time. love and peace to you Soulcircle. You are in my heart
soulcircle Registered User (5/22/02 2:42 pm)	Chela Be4 *Quote:* in order to play a part of God's drama It sweetens the tea cup not at all to know that the terror of rape and war and all Is but a convoluted path of horror Upon which the soul regains innocence it once had before So loving creature of this veil of tears The avatar's lecture reaches not these dumb ears Yet know no one more than me Would more gladly dance with avatar in glee __________ Yet as we both hold hands with the families on bended knees Do we without doubt watch God direct as he pleases Or does that salute of young Kennedy to John Or watching Martin Luther King a coffin to don Remind us that reicarnation, spirituality and the avatar's love Little sweetens the dry poisoned tea cup mentioned above ..................................soulcircle
Kathi Stringer Registered User (12/24/02 11:17 am)	Re: Projective identification Thought you might enjoy this. It is a spoof off Star Trek by Kath Stringer Projective Identification Analogy The following is an analogy of Transference, Countertransference, Countertransfrence Management, Projective Identification, Projective Counteridentification, Introjective Identification, and the Container and the Contained. The analogy is a spoof off Star Trek with the Client acting as the mysterious new Life Form and the USS Enterprise and Crew acting as the Treater. Star Date: 2002: Captain's log 4231: Recording of ship's transcripts of an unknown life form in uncharted space. Sulu: Captain, there appears to be an unknown Life Form ahead. Captain Kirk: Put is on screen Sulu [Treater visual assessment] and Spock, report. Spock: I am picking up strange readings, it appears that we are being scanned Captain. [client developing a transference] Sulu: The Life Form is beginning to change shape Captain, and it appears to be threatening. [Client as developed an transference consisting of anger toward the Treater] Captain: Reverse engines, full impulse power, Scotty, give me all ya got [countertransference reaction] Spock: Captain, we are still being scanned, and the life form now resembles lethal anti-matter that could destroy this sector if it should converge with our dilithium crystals housed in the engine room. Captain Kirk: Raise shields and go to Red Alert! [countertransference management] Spock: Captain, the Life Form has fired a Probe and will make contact right about...now! SHIP SHAKES [attempt at projective identification] Captain Kirk: Damage Report! Sulu: Our shields holding Captain. Spock: The Life Form has fired another probe, and scanners show a slight configuration from the last probe, and will make contact....now! SHIP SHAKES [another attempt at projective identification as the Client is looking for a weak spot in the Treater] Sulu: ?Shields down 20% and auxiliary power is ready to go on-line Sir. Spock: ?Captain, the Life Form has fired another probe and it is configured once again. Probe should make contact about .. FLASH, AND BURST OF BLUE LIGHT The Probe has made contact with the ship [projective counteridentification] Captain: What's happening? Spock: The Probe as penetrated our shields and I detect a strong surge of energy from the Probe taking command of the ship's computer. [projective counteridentification is complete, the Client will now attempt to control the treater.] Captain Kirk: Spock, what was that? What happened!?? I need answers and I need them fast! Spock: Sir, the Probe has been configured to get past our shields and has attached itself to the haul of the ship. The Probe has interfaced with our ships communications node and is reassigning our electronic parameters to that of the host Life Form that launched the Probe.? Captain: Spock! Is there anything we can do? Think of something! Spock: Captain, most of the Ship's database is infected and the control of the Ship is being redirected by the probe. Life support is at risk and the ship?s energy seems to dwindling away. It is if an alien force has taken us over. [confirmation of projective counteridentification onto the Treater] Ship's Computer: LIFE SUPPORT WARNING: Ship's oxygen 72% and decreasing [effects of projective counteridentification is miserable for the Treater] Captain: Spock! Talk to me! Think of something, we don't have much time! Spock: My analysis confirms a power surge in communication node C-32 on deck four from the alien probe. We can reroute the Ship's command and reinitialize the contaminated database to contain the projected energy radiating from the probe. It seems Captain, that the probe is receiving instructions from the host Life Form.? Captain: Okay Spock, reinitialize and retake command of the Ship. [Treater has identified and contained the project object] Sulu: Sir, the Life Form shows signs of distress. Should we follow procedures as outlined in the Prime Directive? Captain: You are absolutely right Sulu. Spock, can you send the Probe back to the host Life Form with a message of good will from Star Fleet? Spock: Yes Captain, now that we have contained the Probe we are able to detoxify and metabolize the opposing forces within the Probe. We can modify the Probe's circuits and offer something more attractive to the Life Form. Captain: Do it Spock. The quicker, the better. Scotty: Captain, the modified Probe is ready to be launched. Shall I proceed? [the projected object from the projective identification onto the Treater has been detoxified, modified and made into something more manageable for the Client.] Captain: Proceed Scotty. Spock, target the Life Form and the reuptake of the Probe. Record activity into Ship?s log for Star Fleet. THE USS ENTERPRISE FIRES THE ALIEN'S PROBE BACK TOWARD THE HOST LIFE FORM FOR POSSIBLE ASSIMILATION. [once modified, the Treater can offer a more attractive object to the Client for assimilation] Spock: It appears Captain that the Life Form, has accepted and assimilated the Probe that we modified back into its core structure. [intorjective identification, the Client accepted the modified object] Sulu: CAPTAIN! Look! The Life Form is changing! It somehow looks less threatening, and, and, it looks, happy Sir?!? Spock: It appears Sir, that you have helped give birth to new Life Form. Even though it cannot communicate, which is puzzling, it does seem to have a bit of...humanness? [the Client can now see the world as a better place in which to live] Captain Kirk: I think you are right about that Spock. Attention bridge, since we are going to be in this sector of space for a while, design and implement a system to address additional Probes from the Life Form. Perhaps over time and with each Probe we modify, we can offer a bit more of humanity to a race that does not understand us. Spock: Captain, what should we call the project? Captain Kirk: Spock, lets call it..First Contact? Star Date 200[] -- Captain's Log 4232 The threatening Live Form was able to penetrate our shields with a projected Probe. The crew was contain and modify the Probe and fire it back to the Life From. First contact was successful. www.toddlertime.com Edited by: Kathi Stringer at: 12/24/02 11:26:45 am*
TheHolySinner Registered User (1/10/03 2:44 pm)	Re: Projective identification Kathi, That was a LITTLE one sided. My experience is that the "Treater's" are doing more Projective Identification and Transference than the patient. In simple terms they are more nuts than we are by a long shot. My last therapist told me the first day I was going to buy him a trip to Tahiti, I bought myself a house in Laguna Beach instead. So Kathi, resistance is not futile, you will not penetrate my shields. I agree with Thomas Moore, all you need is a good friend to talk to. Walrus has provided a forum for healing friends who take care of each other and challenge the status quo. Thank You Dear Friends for all the healing! Valcon, Your posts are a real wake-up call. Thank you! Jesus said something about taking no others as your God, do you think that a Guru is taking another as your God and projecting our own God selves onto another? If not where do you draw the line? Edited by: TheHolySinner at: 1/10/03 4:12:28 pm

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