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redpurusha
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(1/29/04 11:10 am)
Reply 		Re: The real question - Clearing up a mistake
Voice, thanks for your efforts to clarify yourself (and for being gentle).

The Crime: He Tried To Do Too Much

"other than that HE TRIED TO DO TOO MUCH AND HIS ORGANIZATION HAS GONE WACKO AND GOTTEN OUT OF HAND. (my emphasis)"

According to this statement, etz believes "he tried to do too much." There is much historical evidence for any religious (or non) society or institution having its problems. There is no such thing as a perfect society run by imperfect people. For argument's sake even if you had perfect guidelines (as you quote SRF boasting) then everyone in the group would have follow them completely, if not then you are left with imperfection. Largely, most people here on Walrus subscribe to the view that SRF is not some infallable community. He did what he could at the time. If you get lots of benefits from the teachings or SRF take it, if only some then take that and run, if none then just run.

People do contradict themselves. They make mistakes. But there are different degrees and levels of impact resulting from these contradictions. Consider someone claiming they would never kill anyone, but then they go out and do it. This would be a contradiction and hypocracy on a most high level. But then consider someone like etz saying she got nothing from your site, but then she also said "other than he tried to do too much and the org went wacko..." Instead of taking the spirit of what she said which is -she got nothing out of it other than nothing substantial- I am assuming she means by "he tried to do too much" is nothing substantial to her, I could be wrong, you take a sentence like this (which it can be shown, being a written word of communication, is inheritently an imperfect way of communicating) and you make it out like she's done some grave contradiction followed by denial and then you guess at even greater injuries to herself.

I can only assume by this example alone how many of your arguments are presented this way. I haven't read your link provided (yet), but consider Yogananda saying (from a live recording that can be bought from Ananda or SRF), "You take an American baby and place it in an American home..." What he meant was placing the baby in an Indian home in an example of the environment having an influence on us. The spirit of his sentence can be understood by almost all, and the minor grammatical error even let go, but you (I assume) would take that minor error and show its flaw, therefore concluding Yogananda's imperfection (thus no master) or this conclusion to some degree.

etz, I'm sorry if I misunderstood your statement. That's how I interpreted it.

Edited by: redpurusha at: 1/29/04 12:04 pm
redpurusha
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(1/29/04 11:13 am)
Reply 		Re: The real question
nagchampa2, no I am not in Ananda. But I have read and enjoy a lot of their literature (ie The Path, Crisis, and Essence of Self-Realization).

A voice in the supermarket 
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(1/29/04 11:35 am)
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Re: The real question? - The strong answers
Below is a comment on some tendentious stuff about "a man who helped a boy". I think it was so off the mark that (even) Redpurusha withdrew it - but then I had posted what follows, which is of great value to some:

From a spiritual angle: The boy helped the old man by that the old man helped the boy.

Compare:

If you help a man from drowning, he owes you one in the West. But in the Far East you owe him for the rest of your life -


And then: Why Did The Chicken Cross The Road?

The I Ching:
Because 9 in the first place means it furthers one to cross the Great Road. No blame.

Confucius:
To advise the Duke of Chou on crossing roads with chickenly piety.

Lao-tse:
If I told you, it would prove I don't know.

Krishnamurti:
To demonstrate that there is no duality of This side and That side unless you think.

Ramana Maharsi:
When a chicken in your dream crosses a road in your dream, do you upon waking enquire into his motives?

Oprah Winfrey:
He was reacting to a repressed traumatic caponisation in his childhood which he will now share with us in detail.

King Lear:
As roads to wanton chickens are we to the gods;
they cross us for their sport.

Mulla Nasrudin, alias Hodja Nasreddin:
To make sure he wasn't on the other side.

:)

Edited by: A voice in the supermarket  at: 1/30/04 9:56 am
etzchaim
Registered User
(1/29/04 12:22 pm)
Reply 		Re: The real question - Clearing up a mistake
Redpursha, that would be close. I learned that Yogananda tried to do too much from my Guru, but yes, I learned nothing substantial from the Voices website.

A voice in the supermarket 
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(1/29/04 1:02 pm)
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Re: Redpurusha Doing His or Her Assuming Business
Augh, Redpu!

Your assuming schemes start with the three letters ASS.

Trying to argue by assuming is a defect. I strongly disapprove of that awkwardness. It is silly. And the bulk of what eventually comes out of that "fervour" smacks of goofy yak-yak.

Here is a philosphical interesting topic from your posting anyway:
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"Consider someone claiming they would never kill anyone, but then they go out and do it. This would be a contradiction and hypocracy on a most high level."

Well, here you go against guru teachings, and Gita teachings, and so on. A guru like Yogananda says how things are actually done, and retells among other things a Hindu story about gopis who wanted to cross a river to get to Krishna. At the riverside they met Vyasa, who ate all the food they had brought with them to Krishna.

Then Vyasa said he had not eaten anything, the waters divided, and the gopis crossed over. And on the other side Krishna lay stuffed with the food.

"if the red slayer thinks he slays,
I guess he should think twice - "
That is a recurrent message.

Yogananda also asserts: "God is the Sole Doer." - by the way. and the Bhagavad Gita contains many sentences about the same thing. It also says you need to be purified to see things as they are . . .

I should perhaps add: "Crooked communications test good manners."

I think I came across someone in "doesn't try to be fair enough" in your case. For confronted with the strong, hard evidence you get all hazy:

"Instead of taking the spirit of what she said which is -she got nothing out of it other than nothing substantial-" etc.

The SPIRIT from what she is saying? YOU guess you know that? Hehe. I beg to differ. It looks like you don't master to be steadily grounded in evidence and work from there.

And consequently you soar up in the hazy spheres instead of committing to truthfulness fair and square. Ah, who should try frenetically to cover defective assumptions contrary to evidence in order to fatten himself or herself by tricking others by "assuming" tricks of fools or for fools? Some gurus are for that! Compare:
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"I am ASSUMING she means by "he tried to do too much" is nothing substantial to her" [emphasis added]
As noted, this assuming starts with the three letters ASS.

Your belitting a debattant's rightful arguments speaks volumes. Yes, I suspect some Walrus board posters do have problems. Why shouldn't I?
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"you make it out like she's done some grave contradiction followed by denial" and then you guess at even greater injuries to herself."

Too weak case, and next too big words easily follow. That's my comment.

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"I can only assume by this example alone how many of your arguments are presented this way."

If foolish assuming is all you can do, you ARE a fool. There is a good reason to think you really need to learn to inspect well (enough). So what hinders you? The guru adherence and attachments and admonishions inside? A desire to seem superior in the snub folks' stiffening sulking ways?
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consider Yogananda saying . . . "You take an American baby and place it in an American home..." What he meant was placing the baby in an Indian home . . . The spirit of his sentence can be understood by almost all, and the minor grammatical error even let go, but you (I assume) would take that minor error and show its flaw, therefore concluding Yogananda's imperfection (thus no master) or this conclusion to some degree.

Hm, this is being TENDENTIOUS. Haven't you got anything better, man? Frankly I'm not much fond of crafty convince-strivers: I prefer to give them medicine. Ask:
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Is there a Back flower remedy for those who repeatedly ASSUME grotesquely or sourly? And twisting good evidence along with that? Not necessarily always contrary to good evidence again and again?

And the answer may or may not be forthcoming! Check up this page at intervals, and the help may one day be there!
oaks.nvg.org/ria.html

Redpu, the evidence in this case disqualifies the assuming and denigrating you resort to - and try not to get so hazy in the future. And try to stick to fewer subjects at a time, if you don't master discourse. That is helpful advice.

Edited by: A voice in the supermarket  at: 1/29/04 1:11 pm
A voice in the supermarket 
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(1/29/04 1:51 pm)
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Re: The real question - differences among us are respected.
Gentlemen,

Etz tells:

Quote:
Redpursha, . . . I learned nothing substantial from the Voices website

Fine with me. I would understand it if the verdict came from an insect too.

But have you read anything there at all? And have you managed to "loook at creation with seeing eyes"? as Yogananda says is good? The question may be:
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Did you have your eyes closed in front of the screen when you visited? Such suspicions may also arise!

The site referred to - oaks.nvg.org/ - consists of over a thousand pages. They are aimed at many sorts of persons - children, students and grown-ups - and hopefully a lot of folks a gradual process of awakening to their folly - it can be a long and difficult process of extricating oneself from indoctrination and fools' games.

And ballyhoo with tendentious statements, denigration of many a sort, and other strokes that fools may resort to at times to favour themselves, may almost be expected from those with cultish fervour.

Of course Etz has learnt SOMETHING from the Windsor Castle site. The thing is, she is not willing to admit it. For well-nigh anybody that in their right and undrugged mind ARE able to click into a site and browse, manages to remember something from it. If anything is remembered, it is learnt. If that is not the case, why bother to use the Internet at all?

And besides, there are good learning tools there too -

Many universities link up to this Windsor Castle. A lot of private persons too.

Aloha

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A man may eventually become wise by profound teachings. [Compare Bhagavad Gita 15.20 -

Edited by: A voice in the supermarket  at: 1/29/04 2:03 pm
bsjones
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(1/29/04 2:25 pm)
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 Re: "OAKS"
Voice, You are a relentless advocate for the "oaks" website. There is a forum for that here somewhere. Best wishes to you.

ugizralrite
Registered User
(1/29/04 3:18 pm)
Reply 		Re: The real question - differences among us are respected.
I have looked at the oaks/windsor castle links about three or four times in the past couple of years. Once I said here that the reason it is so difficult to really comprehend is that it must be translated from Norwegian (maybe I got that from the whois search and the site is registered in Norway).

Anyway, I concur with BS Jones, that the obfuscation of superior intellect demonstrated by oaks/windsor is just, well, too tiring for my inferior mind. And while I have no business saying who should or shouldn't be using walrus ezboard, I'll probably skip over that which is beyond my ability to comprehend.;)

Edited by: ugizralrite at: 1/29/04 3:23 pm
nagchampa2
Registered User
(1/30/04 1:06 am)
Reply 		Use of Miracles and Hypnosis Condemned
"Kriya, Finding the True Path" by Swami Satyeswarananda Giri, page 170.

"...the author remembers once Satyananda told him, 'One day, when Yognanada returned to India, he asked me, 'Why don't you exhibit miralces and attract people and then serve?'

I told him, 'Nothing is impossible through the Lord, but who am I to do such things?' I politely but firmly told him, 'Please don't request me to do such things.'"

On the subject of miracles, both friends had different attitudes; Yogananda was always fond of miracles due to the influence of Jyoti, Light, in his life, while Satyananda was attuned with Anahat Dwani, inner sound for Sthirattva, eternal Tranquility, and thus remained restrained from being outward to exhibit miracles.

It seemed that for Yogananda with his assertive character the drawing of others' attention came naturally.

Frankly speaking, to an orthodox or conversative Indian yogi, this style would appear as tuktak, that is, using cheap shots to draw attention to oneself and thereby generate name and fame, the vehicle of divine ego.

In Vedic culture, the sages have indicated in the past that exhibiting miracles using yogic powers by one for individual gain, name and fame, or for other individual interests, would bring the downfall of a yogi. As a result, all sages have condemned it."

In an attempt to protect his guru, Borg only copied from Satyeswarananda's book, this passage: “With the will power, he [Yogananda] had cured many people to the last day of his life. In this connection one day laughingly he said, ‘I would imagine in boyhood to be a doctor and serve patients. By the Lord’s grace, my desire has been fulfilled in this way.’ Yogananda Sanga by Swami Satyananda, P.37 (So Yogananda was trying to fulfill his desire to be a doctor using sammohan bidya, or hypnotism.)”

Let's see the full text:

Page 176:

In his younger days, hte influence of Jyoti, or light, brought Yognanda to be interested in miracles; while the sentiment to be great and to be the leader brought him to be interested in hypnotism. He was very found of hypnotism. By hypnotizing people he wanted to control them.

In Indian spiritual disciplines hypnotism is never praise. The application of hypnotism on other' and to control others lives, is considered a kind of doing injustice to humanity itself. That is the status of hypotism in Vedic society.

Nevertheless, it is a method by which one can control others.

"In those days, he (Yogananda) was highly curious and interested in culturing sammohan bidy or hypnotism. He did not take lessons from anyone on this subject.

"By applying his will power, looking at others, and by touching other's bodies he started applying hypnotism. In a particular he useds to apple it on young boys.

"I (Satyananda) have seen him also failing to effectively apply it on someone younger than him but quite adult." Yogananda Sanga by Swami Satyananda, page 35.

Yogananda used to take sometimes his disciples' hands in his hands and pressed them; thereby, he usesds to influence the person. On the other hand, the disciples throught their Guruji was blessing them in that way, becaues they were already under his control.

Once Brahmachari Amulya Kumar, a direct disciple of Swami Abhedananda (disciple of Sri Ramakrishna), a personal friend fo the author said, "Yogananda during his return trip to India presided over my Guruji's birthday celebration at the Albert Hall, Calcutta. He was requested by our brohter disciples because our Guruji once said that he taught Yogananda in the U.S.A. how to talk with the American people.

(Swami Abhedananda was in the U.S.A. almost twenty years, prior to Yogananda's arrival in the U.S.A.)

"I attended there. The moment he entered the hall, he sent a vibration in the Hall and gave a shock to the audience: I felt it; others too. Then, I was afraid even to look into his eyes, because I heard about him culturing sammohan bidya, hypnotism."

"The realized sages say that in connection with using yogic powers one has to be very careful, otherwise, there is every possiblity of a downfall.

With the will power he (Yogananda) had cured many people to the last day of his life".

And then comes Borg's quote. Why, I ask did you leave out the rest of this testimony? I also understand now why Mukti Mata told me to drive a stake in this book. She did not want me to know about Yogananda. And so, foolishly, I tossed it in the garbage and forgot what was written in it. Like Borg, I had the need to believe in Yogananda's innocence.

Edited by: nagchampa2 at: 1/30/04 1:54 am
A voice in the supermarket 
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(1/30/04 7:07 am)
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Re: "OAKS"
Well, Jones

Where is that place here you mention? Can you tell? Thank you.

Today I find myself downloading stuff on the Walrus site "just in case" - maybe I come across the place you talk about later.


Voice

"Thou art the Being to be realized" - Cf. Bhagavad Gita 11.18

A voice in the supermarket 
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(1/30/04 7:11 am)
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Re: Use of Miracles and Hypnosis Condemned
Hi Nag,

Thank you for the postings with transcribed articles. I enjoyed it.

I did not know that Yogananda was so occupied with hypnotism either. Hm!

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"He that is of all religions is of no religion." (British proverb)

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A voice in the supermarket 
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(1/30/04 7:29 am)
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Re: The real question - differences among us are respected.
ugizralrite,

Perhaps some on this board appear to strive d..n hard just for "smart jackass" comments.

Be not one of them / There are better things to try for than that.

Don't forget that large parts of the Windsor Castle site are for children!

Greetings

Edited by: A voice in the supermarket  at: 2/6/04 8:12 am
redpurusha
Registered User
(1/30/04 8:36 am)
Reply 		Re: Redpurusha Doing His or Her Assuming Business
When I finished my post yesterday I knew for certain (assumed again the FOOL I am) that Voice would declare me an ASS for assuming. I guessed right. In an ironic twist.

"He who is cleverest seeks God; he who is most successful, has found Him." -Hindu teaching

Edited by: redpurusha at: 1/30/04 9:32 am
A voice in the supermarket 
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(1/30/04 9:38 am)
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Re: Redpurusha Doing His or Her Assuming Business
WRONG SRF TEACHINGS

"He who is cleverest seeks God." - Redpurusha grasping at Hindu teachings

The saying is wrong. And this is much serious: The guru Yogananda spoke emphatically and with fervour: "Seek God, search for God, cry for Divine Mother" and such stuff - but not all the time - and yet it runs so contrary to skilled yoga, which evolves a NON-SEEKING frame of mind. Lahiri Mahasaya spends many phrases on that subtle facet of meditation too.

"One who practices kriya sincerely, has to transcend the expectations of results from doing kriya " - Lahiri Mahasaya
oaks.nvg.org/eg3ra6.html

You may find more on Windsor Castle -
Hence- You must drop expecting results!

Go for it! And try to realize that
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He who is cleverest does NOT seek God; for he (she) is involved in the right process of contemplation - and living too

Was this too hard? It surely implies that Yogananda teachings fool a lot. Fooling teachings can lead to many dissatisfied "customers" if they do not wake up in time.

Hence, there must be a dire need for ex-SRF devotees to get into a far less nonsensical approach than Yogananda's. A tragedy of very many SRF members or ex members is that they never were taught basics in how to use good yoga to grow up.

Well, well, well.


SMALLER MATTERS

To me, Redpur behaved in a tendentious way that called for the take he/she "feared". So what? There is nothing tall about misbehaving tacktlessly and fearing to be taken to task.

When I entered the Walrus board about a week ago, I strove through severel of the postings on this thread in a slight attempt to get updated. So far I have skimmed over half of the string.

Before Redpur started to "thank" me in a rather guruistic way for the work I've done to expose faults with Yogananda's and Sri Yukteswar's teachings, I had noticed from recurrent cues in the postings how some contributors seemed to be - Obviously, Dawnray seemed violent - so I said so. I mentioned a thing about your contributions too, Redpur. Maybe you have a grudge? Is that your problem? No matter that, it seems fair to say you have a much tougher problem to deal with today (far down).

Now, what did Dawnray do? She wanted to the WC (Walrus Committee) to shut down, for she did not like the bad stuff - and she seemed blind to the fact that she had been an annoying contributor! Well, well. Look it up as "Dear Walrus". I had to smile when I read it, for even an outsider could see that if there was much negativity on the board, she had been a contributor to that! And today I saw that Yellowbeard had summed up some of the clues I had got and many others. Thanks, YB. Saving the walrus board in one huge or several lesser files can have advantages when we search.

This was also to say that the outsider (or the beginner's mind, as spoken well of in Zen) is free see a lot that the downtrodden don't do with a more or lless ready-made mind-set that enslaves him or her, for example the Yogananda-dogma downtrodden.

Being the outsider has some benefits. One of them could be to call a spade a spade, a dirty ass a dirty ass, and so on. And I am not Australian . . .


MY PRESENTATION

Early today I wondered about quoting Yogananda, but then again: "It is much better to give them a piece of YOUR mind" -

Thus:

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The spirit of detachment is to be awakened in the heart. Good yoga is for that.

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Edited by: A voice in the supermarket  at: 1/30/04 9:46 am
YellowBeard420
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(1/30/04 9:53 am)
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Sammohan Bidya
Many thanks to Nagchampa2 for taking the time and effort to go out and purchase and type out information about Yogananda from the book "Kriya, Finding the True Path" by Swami Satyeswarananda.

This information is a blessing in helping to show the man behind the myth.

From the book:

"In his younger days, the influence of Jyoti, or light, brought Yognanda to be interested in miracles; while the sentiment to be great and to be the leader brought him to be interested in hypnotism. He was very found of hypnotism. By hypnotizing people he wanted to control them."

> "... both men were familiar with techniques of manipulating the masses. Hubbard was an expert in the field of brainwashing and Yogananda was very skilled in the art of hypnotism." (YellowBeard, 12/12/03)

"In Indian spiritual disciplines, hypnotism is never praised. The application of hypnotism on others and to control others lives, is considered a kind of doing injustice to humanity itself."

This quote from the book is particularly important. Yogananda did commit an "injustice to humanity" by twisting the spiritual path to point it to himself. The gravity of his ego bent it unto himself. A true spiritual teacher offers assistance to those along the path, they don't make themselves the destination.

Some have said, why worry about this, he has long past away. I say, his influence to people on the path still continues to this day through his teachings. And his words still cause people to stray on the path by drawing them to him. The casualties from these teachings keep crash landing on this board.

When reading his teachings, they're very hypnotic. You can feel a type of pace to them -- thump ... thump ... thump. It draws you in with sweet scents of overflowing artificial devotion. You run after it, but never find anything real. It keeps pulling you, stringing you along. It constantly sets up conditions for you to fulfill. It keeps saying, just one more hoop for you to jump through. And you keep on jumping -- jump ... jump ... jump, just like the hypnotic thump ... thump ... thump. Within this rhythmic process, he slips in ... give me more, give me more, give me more. Surrender unto me, surrender more, surrender more ...

> 'A Voice in the Supermarket' wrote: "... and yet it runs so contrary to skilled yoga, which evolves a NON-SEEKING frame of mind."

After Yogananda sucks every last drop of life out of you, you crash land thoroughly raped emotionally and left as a mentally crippled wreck.

"The moment he entered the hall, he sent a vibration in the Hall and gave a shock to the audience: I felt it; others too. Then, I was afraid even to look into his eyes, because I heard about him culturing sammohan bidya, hypnotism."

Looking at Yogananda is like looking into the face of Medusa, your life is leached out of you as you turn to stone.

bsjones
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(1/30/04 9:58 am)
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ezSupporter
 Re: Forum for info about Other Websites
Voice,

You have already found it, but here is what I meant:

Other Websites

BTW, are you from Norway, and is that a picture of Krishna under your name?

Jones

Edited by: bsjones at: 1/30/04 12:10 pm
A voice in the supermarket 
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(1/30/04 10:48 am)
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Re: Yes, Scandinavian
Hi

NORWAY

"are you from Norway"

Yes. I have lived in Denmark and Sweden too, but not as long as in Norway, that long and spoon-like mountainous country up north.

"There is nothing wrong with Denmark that cannot be cured by all mankind and maybe extra-terrestrials so far."


FLUTE-PLAYER

"and is that a picture of Krishna under your name?

Almost. But the skin is not blue or bluish. The face may be thinner.

I took off from the one on one of the Bhagavad Gita pages I host. It is a picture which I worked up. And that page contains keyphrases (essence) of and from the Gita.

oaks.nvg.org/useful-gita.html


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In order to protect the good, destroy the wicked, and establish dharma (a good fare), I am born [Bhagavad Gita 4.8].

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Edited by: A voice in the supermarket  at: 1/30/04 10:50 am
chela2020
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(1/30/04 10:56 am)
Reply 		Hypnosis, the dangers of
In Swami Vivekananda's book, Raja Yoga, in chapter 6, Pratyahara and Dharana, he talks about hypnosis:

"The hypnotists, by using their suggestoin, excite in the patient a sort of morbid Pratyahara for the time beng. The so-called hypnotic suggestion can only act upon a weak mind. And until the operator, by means of fixed gaze or otherwise, has succeeded in putting the mind of the subject in a sort of passive, morbid condition, his suggestions never work.

Now the control of the centres which is established in a hypnotic patient or the patient of faith-healing, by the operator, for a time, is reprehensible, because it leads to ultimate ruin. It is not really controlling the brain centres by the power of one's own will, but is, as it were, stunning the patient's mind for a time by sudden blows which another's will delivers to it. It is not checking by means of reins and muscular strength the mad career of a fiery team, but rather by asking another to deliver heavy blows on the heads of the horses, to stun them for a time into gentleness. At each one of these processes the man operated upon loses a part of his mental energies, till at last, the mind, instead of gaining the power of perfect control, becomes a shapeless, powerless mass, and the only goal of the patient is the lunatic asylum.

Every attempt at control which is not voluntary, not with the controller's own mind, is not only disastrous, but it defeats the end. The goal of each soul is freedom, mastery--freedom from the slavery of matter and thought, mastery of external and internal nature. Instead of leading towards that, every will-current from another, in whatever form it comes, either as direct control of organs, or as forcing to control them while under a morbid condition, only rivets one link more to the already existing heavy chain of bondage of past thoughts, past superstitions. Therefore, beware how you allow yourself to be acted upon by others. Beware how you unknowingly bring another to ruin...Whosoever, therefore, asks any one to believe blindly, or drags people behind him by the controlling power of his superior will, does an injury to humanity, though he may not intend it..."

Please don't now say that Yogananda had not read Yogananda's writings, and didn't know the harm that hypnosis can cause. Even has stopped and admonished him when he used hypnosis as a child. He had also, and I have read quotes from Vivekananda's books, that he had published and had not given him credit for. My favorite sayings of Yogananda's were often first spoken by Swami Vivekananda.

Edited by: chela2020 at: 1/30/04 11:06 am
redpurusha
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(1/30/04 11:09 am)
Reply 		Re: Redpurusha Doing His or Her Assuming Business
Voice, we went over this point on the thread before. But if you missed it, here's my take on it. I understand skilled yoga is any yoga that works. And some approaches (as have been testified here on the warlus) work better for some than for others. It's healthy to stimulate the mind and ask questions, but at some point you have to go beyond all this rethoric. Was Buddha more correct than Jesus? Oh, wait these are both myths and legends, just like the blue-headed krishna character. The world is one big fantasy land.

"The goal is to rise above duality. But according to YB, in the act of rising (because this implies moving somewhere? somehow?) you are contributing to your delusion of seperate existence from the universal non-dual Self. While the dualistic approach might confuse and disturb some personality types, it has an opposite effect on others. Obviously, terms like "path" and "the great goal of life" are only figures of speech, which help some but hinder the progress of others. When Jesus went to be crucified, it was an outward symbol of killing of the ego or the idea of seperate existence from the universal Self.

You might be in heaven, and you might tell yourself all day and all night "I'm in heaven... I'm in heaven", but if you don't take the thick cloak off yourself you might as well be in a dark closet. "

Edited by: redpurusha at: 1/30/04 11:14 am
SsSsSnake
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(1/30/04 2:48 pm)
Reply 		Re: Hypnosis, the dangers of
Lahiri said that?The Hong Saw technique of contemplation is for attaining the calmness of very calm breathing. The kriya calm is a highest secret [cf. p. 14].

:rollin

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