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Pig Ma Registered User (4/1/02 10:57 am) Reply	Re: THANKS, YOGANANDA IS INNOCENT Shamila, I think your search for the truth will help many who have struggled with this issue. What a beautiful "ending" to this segment of your quest! I think Chuckle chela was extremely helpful for giving you the tools to find out the truth in a more physical, real way. I looked at the landscape, formed my opinion, and was satisfied. You needed the mircroscope of truth to be truly convinced. We may have came up with the same result, but your search and results made me rejoice with joy as well, erasing any niggling of doubt that may have been tugging at my consciousness. Perhaps I was being a bit lazy, and I want to say thank you for digging and digging until the treasure was unearthed and clear to see for all who care to look. I've always had such friendly and warm relations with the people from Ananda as well. Is the email something you care to share in the Ananda section, or is it something personal for you that wish to keep close to your heart? (Plus, the nose, nose anything goes mixup had me grinning from ear to ear.) Edited by: Pig Ma at: 4/1/02 11:00:05 am
chuckle chela Registered User (4/2/02 11:00 pm) Reply	Re: Yogananda and the DNA testing Shamila-To make this simple, I'll just say what you have to do is be accurate in the way you ask the question. It seems that you may have asked about YOUR nieces and nephews and that is far different from asking about YOUR FATHER'S nieces or nephews. Forget about nieces and focus on nephews. So, what you need to do is say something like the following: Someone has come to our family alleging that my husband is also his father. Now, my husband is dead but I've been told that we can use his nephew (THE SON OF YOUR HUSBAND'S BROTHER) to do genetic testing for paternity so that we don't have to exhume his body (you'll have to say that the uncle (your husband's brother) is also dead). Is this accurate? Will that test, if it comes back negative, conclusively prove that my husband is not the father? So, in this example, your husband is representing Yogananda and your husband's nephew is representing Bishwanath, Yogananda's paternal nephew (the fact that it's a paternal nephew is important, because we're concerned with the Y-chromosome (the one the guys have; the women have two X chromosomes) which is passed on from father to son). If you don't want to use this made-up story, just tell them about the real situation with Yogananda. I'll tell you right now that any genetics lab anywhere in the world, any biologist, even a Biology 100 student will be able to tell you that this test OF THE MAN'S PATERNAL NEPHEW would be valid. Not only would it be valid, but for exclusionary purposes--that is, to exclude the man as being the father--the test is 100% accurate. Not 95%, not 99%, not 99.995% but 100% accurate (because all you have to do is find one bit of difference in the DNA and then you know for certain the two aren't related directly. So phone 'em back. For interest's sake, you might ask them if your husband had been dead for 50 years, would a test done on his body be accurate, would the DNA still be intact enough for a100% accurate test or would the results from the living nephew be more accurate, and which would have more authority in a court of law. I can appreciate that this is upsetting to you. But if you don't know much about genetics, you need to be as specific as possible in your questions. Genetically speaking, your father's paternal nephew may be as far apart from your maternal niece as the sun and the moon. That's probably why the person told you the test wouldn't be valid. The lab didn't test a niece; they didn't test an aunt. They tested the paternal nephew because they know the Y chromosome is carried on intact from father to son to son. As I said, these labs don't mess around. They know what they're doing and, as well, they're regulated by governmental agencies (you'll also notice that the DNA test was a PCR test; this is the most sophisticated type of test available. It's commonly used now, but you don't absolutely need to perform such a sophisticated test (which involves replicating the DNA strands) for a simple paternity test. The PCR test allows you to get a valid result from just a very small swab or blood sample). This kind of genetic testing is as routine as can be. You can't easily go faking this stuff because all the scientists and technicians know what's involved. If a test of Yogananda's nephew wasn't valid, people wouldn't be clamoring for SRF to bring him over here for an independent test. And remember that you yourself noticed that Erskine's lawyer accepted the result. Good luck and let us know what you find.
chuckle chela Registered User (4/3/02 6:59 am) Reply	Re: Yogananda and the DNA testing Yes, what may have caused the confusion is that you said YOU were trying to find out if your father was your real father. What you needed to say was that SOMEONE ELSE, a man, had come forward saying that he was the son of your father. Then you can say that your father and his brother are dead but that the brother's son (the paternal nephew) is alive and can he be tested. And don't mention a niece because that confuses things, and the person would be right in saying that a niece wouldn't work. Stress that the nephew is the son of the brother. I offer the scenario above becaude it more accurately portrays the Yogananda situation, where a man has come forward claiming to be Yogananda's son. Remember that the test was comparing the Y chromosome. If you're a woman, you don't share that Y chromosome. If they still say the nephew won't work, tell them you thought the Y chromosome was passed on from father to son to son intact, and so shouldn't the nephew have the same Y chromosome as your father. If they insist the nephew wouldn't work, I'm going to be completely baffled.
Pig Ma Registered User (4/3/02 8:26 am) Reply	Re: THANKS, PIG MA Shamila, Pooleeaasse! Of course my feelings are not hurt. That's why I asked the way I did, knowing that it might not be appropriate to share, and I appreciate your honest reply. I've enjoyed this recent "chapter" of your quest with chucle chela's guidence. I had sort of wondered why they could do a test on a nephew to get a true answer, but I had asssumed that because the main players involved appeared satisfied with this procedure, that it had validity. It's enlightening to hear the science behind it.

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