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ugizralrite
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(2/6/04 10:19 am)
Reply 		Heart Chakra
Let us focus on the heart chakra by virtue of its location in the center.

Let us experience emblazoned on the heart the word "boundless".

Let us realize the heart does not dwell in us, but we dwell in it.

Let us open our eyes and witness the inner radiance of the heart which is the world around us.

By meditating on the glow of the heart, the source of all, we receive assurance our path through life is divinely illuminated.

bsjones
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(2/6/04 10:44 am)
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ezSupporter
 Re: Heart Chakra
This could be added to the great Buddhist chant - the Heart Sutra!

ugizralrite
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(2/6/04 2:05 pm)
Reply 		Re: Heart Chakra
Well we could give it a try, but it might not get past the editors.:smokin

bsjones
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(2/7/04 11:30 am)
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ezSupporter
 Re: Heart Chakra
hehehe ...

"Therefore, O Sariputra, it is because of his indifference to any kind of personal attainment that a Bodhisattva, through having relied on the perfection of wisdom, dwells without thought-coverings. In the absence of thought-coverings, he has not been made to tremble, he has overcome what can upset, and in the end he attains Nirvana."

[from the Heart Sutra ...]

I notice that the heart is not actually mentioned much, so your verse would be a valuable addition!

Oh BTW, when a bird sings, where in your body do you "hear" it?

Edited by: bsjones at: 2/8/04 10:18 am
ugizralrite
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(2/8/04 11:54 am)
Reply 		Re: Heart Chakra
"Oh BTW, when a bird sings, where in your body do you "hear" it?"

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The short answer is the obvious perception/sound wave/ear/brain, but the long answer has to deal with the cosmic body, the non-dual, and bringing individual experience into it. I propose a symbolic model for understanding.

Begin with the snake eating its own tail, the Ouroboros it is called. This is a symbol for, among other things, infinity. Plato had this to say about it:

"It had no need of eyes, for there was nothing outside it to be seen; nor of ears, for there was nothing outside to be heard. There was no surrounding air to be breathed, nor was it in need of any organ by which to supply itself with food or to get rid of it when digested. Nothing went out from or came into it anywhere, for there was nothing. Of design it was made thus, its own waste providing its own food, acting and being acted upon entirely with and by itself, because its designer considered that a being which was sufficient unto itself would be far more excellent than one which depended upon anything." from Timaeus, (33 -The Construction of the World)"

To continue, the symbol I propose is a variation, a many headed snake. To keep it simple, draw a race track donut shaped.

Across the start/finish line draw four Ws WWWW. These represent four sets of jaws.

Now give the first set an eye that is all colored in. This represents sleep.

The second W jaw shape, draw the eye as a circle with a dot or pupil in the middle representing wakefulness.

The third eye is half dark and half light, representing contemplation/meditation.

And the fourth jaw/head has an eye that is star shaped, representing enlightenment.

The line of beasts consuming their own tail represents the intersection of time and world experience on the circle of infinity.

The reason for more than one head is to represent individuality.

In sleep time is erased. In waking time dominates. In contemplation/meditation we draw back into the infinite circle and objectively view the time/world line of experience.

In enlightenment , well, let's just say that the bird you heard was flying over the race track when the time-line sped by.

bsjones
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(2/9/04 2:06 pm)
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ezSupporter
 Re: Heart Chakra
Nice answer. This question, I believe, also has a non-intellectual answer in the spirit of a zen koan, but I'm not going to say any more about that.

:)

ugizralrite
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(2/9/04 3:58 pm)
Reply 		Re: Heart Chakra
abacus.best.vwh.net/oro/oro21.jpg

The above link is from a web site that has several pictures of the Ouroborus (not that I want to "bore us" too much more than usual). But it is interesting to see that this apparently ancient symbol tries to deal with the issue of individual experience in a non-dual reality.

Maybe others don't have a problem with individual identity, it's just a given for them. I am beginning to think that individuals are directly driven by the non-dual as the many heads in the image are attached to one body. The reality that each encounters is unique as well. "To each his own" (unicuique suum) Cicero. Only by referring to the Shiva/Shakti body, as in the image, can the total situation be comprehended.

edit: I have been meditating on this picture of many jivas emerging from the boundless source. It is a powerful image.

Edited by: ugizralrite at: 2/12/04 8:43 am
ugizralrite
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(2/17/04 3:31 pm)
Reply 		Where in your body do you hear the bird sing?
When it popped into my head this morning it seemed like a good idea. I wrote it down and then went out and split some wood (really). When I came back and reread it, well, maybe an unbiased eye will be a better judge.

I was trying to understand, as usual, how to see God in everyday life. BSJones put me on to this when he asked, "When you hear the bird sing where in your body do you hear it?"

The answer seems to be that consciousness depends on the birdsong and the ear, lying somewhere between the two. So it came to me that the One becomes two, consciousness between the two, and in the interaction or change (sound-waves in this case) time comes into being.

In other words, the unmanifested whole divides itself into subject/object, interaction, and consciousness of the event. Life-living-life. The eye sees the hand, the hand moves. (My sister would say, "You need to get out more.")

I'm not sure why we find it so difficult to understand that it is God who is right here being us. Maybe it is because we behave so badly by human standards. Can God be a victim of God?

Edited by: ugizralrite at: 2/20/04 7:16 pm
bsjones
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(2/18/04 1:03 pm)
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ezSupporter
 Re: Where in your body ddo you hear the bird sing?
Sitting at my computer, I liked hearing the part about splitting wood!

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