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Sacred Lovemaker Unregistered User (2/24/02 12:49 pm) Reply	A request Dear Walrus, I've been a long-time devoted member of SRF who, like the rest of you, had to get away from it in order to live a sane and balanced life. Recently, I was given a book on Tantra Yoga, and I noticed the similarities between the inner Tantra and Kriya. I also was impressed by what the writer had to say about the Tantric path -- that it was "originally developed as a rebellion against the repressive, moralistic codes of organized religions and the ascetic practices of the Brahmins -- the Hindu priesthood -- particularly against the widespread belief that sexuality had to be denied in order to attain enlightenment." This rang a bell for me. I find myself also needing to reject the heavy monastic influences in SRF. I don't see why I, a householder, who would like to find a woman to love and maybe have a family, should trouble my mind with a monastic worldview any more than an ace fighter pilot should have to burden his mind with the finer points of Olympic swimming. I've completely cast away my long acquired monastic associations with SRF and am now living the life I've always wanted to live. My meditations haven't suffered in the least. In fact, I just got the 3rd/4th Kriya and am experiencing the benefits associated with it. The reason why I write this lenghty preface is because I wan't to let you know that I am sincerely trying to have a discussion outside the box of regular SRF thinking. I've started a thread called Sex and Spirituality which now contains over 40 posts. Unfortunately, half of those posts have nothing to do with my orignial intent. It seems there are individuals who do not have the common decency or respect to observe widely-known message board rules of etiquette. They have purposely run the topic off course despite repeated requests by me for them to start a new thread. I even started one for them which they haven't used. Since you are the moderator of this message board, would it be possible for you to do something to rectify this problem? I think these individuals are taking my sincere requests flippantly. I, no one who is looking for real discussion, deserves this constant discourtesy. Thank you in advance And thanks for creating the Walrus site
Pig Ma Registered User (2/24/02 2:21 pm) Reply	Re: A request Hi Sacred Lovemaker! When the Walrus steps in and moves things around, there's always someone who squawks. So it seems like there is no way to keep everyone happy. I am just curious, where did you receive the 3rd and 4th Kriya from? I've heard other people mention it, but I never remember hearing talk about how one receives it. Was this through SRF, or some other group? As far as tantric techniques, I read what you wrote with curiosity since I haven't had previous exposure to this form of moving towards enlightenment. I thought, hey, just maybe my husband who has not yet awakened to the desire for the spiritual path will find this interesting. However, upon mentioning it, I didn't even get a nibble of interest. He is into finding his ever new joy by building boats, so it looks like that form of enlightenment will pass me by. Regardless, I am grateful for harmony on the homefront.
Sacred Lovemaker Unregistered User (2/24/02 5:04 pm) Reply	To Pig Ma Hi Pig Ma, You can request the 3rd/4th Kriya by calling SRF. But only if you've practiced the 2nd Kriya for a period of time. Call them for info. They'll mail you an application asking about your meditation routine. Then a monastic will call and confirm everything once you send it in. It's simple to get. But I would recommend you get it only after feeling comfortable with the regular Kriya and the 2nd since it involves aspects of them plus some other movements. Regarding Tantra ... Margot Anand in"The Art of Sexual Ecstacy" discusses how to woo a reluctant partner. She writes, "Look upon your partner's resistance as a challenge for you to develop the art of seduction. This, too, is part of your training in the art of sexual ecstacy. Be positive and supportive, noncritical and nondemanding." Ultimately, she counsels you to try the practices on your own as "Your improved ability to enjoy yourself may prove to be a far more powerful attraction to High Sex than anything you can say." I also highly recommend "Passionate Marriage: Keeping Love & Intimacy Alive in Committed Relationships" by David Schnarch Ph. D. Best of luck SL
Pig Ma Registered User (2/24/02 7:05 pm) Reply	Re: To Pig Ma Gosh, SL, I guess I haven't even got the 2nd Kriya yet! I've only got the ones that come when you first get it. I never heard the others mentioned, or I probably would have tried to go for them. I'm always curious! And what would be interesting is if they would let me receive them anyhow, since I have become a vocal advocate against the lawsuit they are waging against A-nanda. Would my political activities precude me from reaching higher spiritually? That said, I'm not concerned about it. I need to get back to the basics and plumb those before I am able to reach out and take on more. Thanks for the info. I'm surprised that it isn't talked about, since without knowing about it how does one ask for it? How did you find out there was more out there?
cjmagorian Unregistered User (2/24/02 7:58 pm) Reply	To Pig Ma Dear Pig Ma, I got back on the board today to have most of my posts deleted, and so while I am doing this, I have been checking out the board. If SRF doesn't give you your 3rd and 4th Kriyas, they are easily obtained from Roy Davis. He is really good about this, and all you have to do is explain what is happening with you and that you have your other Kriyas from SRF. He doesn't care if you join his organization or not, and he will just mail them to you. Good luck, and God bless, Jessica
username Registered User (2/24/02 9:04 pm) Reply	Re: To Pig Ma This is how the kriya stuff works at SRF: 1) you do the lessons, and after one year, they mail you a letter saying that you can apply for kriya. 2) you apply for kriya, after a certain period, is it 6 months or one year , you can ask mother center to increase your kriyas to 24 (or whatever the first increase is that you need mother centers permission for, maybe it is 36, I don't remember, but it is in the kriya lessons.) You are not allowed to increase your kriyas without mother centers permission, it says so in the kriya lessons. BY THE WAY, YOU CAN ALSO INCREASE YOUR KRIYA BY PERSONAL INTERVIEW WITH A MONK, they will send a letter into mother center telling mother center that they approved your increase to a certain number of kriya. Mother center will then update your file. 3) One year after increasing your kriyas, you will be sent a letter telling you that you may now apply for second kriya. WHY THEY DON'T LET PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT HIGHER KRIYAS IS BEYOND ME. 4) After practicing second kriya for two years, you can ask mother center for 3rd and 4th kriya. From what I understand , they only call you if they are questioning your report in some way. PLEASE REMEMBER THAT UNLESS YOU ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT SRF SAYS YOU SHOULD BE DOING THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU HIGHER KRIYAS. This means that if you tell them you are going to some other church or you are reading some other literature or you are not practicing your exercises, or you are not doing your kriyas consistently, they are not going to give you higher kriyas. E-mail me if you want more infor THE SECOND , THIRD AND FOURTH KRIYA ARE MENTIONED IN THE AUTO OF A YOGI.
Pig Ma Registered User (2/24/02 9:47 pm) Reply	Re: To Pig Ma Thanks for the info, dear friends. It's funny, I never got the letter about the second Kriya, although I've been is SRF for 16 years, and a Kriyaban for 15 years. It looks like it's because I haven't done official Kriya increase through the proper channels. Be that as it may, as I said, I still feel the need to get back to basics. I'm not worried that I don't have the higher techniques yet, when the time is right I am sure I will get them, whether it's through SRF or some other channel. In the meantime, I would just like to experience more joy in meditating. It's been a challenge lately. Also, the only time I remember mention of higher Kriyas is when they tell the story of the postman who begs only for being able to handle what he is already receiving from meditation, and not to be given higher techniques. Is that what you mean when you say it is mentioned in the AY, or are there other references that I must have glossed over? Edited by: Pig Ma at: 2/24/02 9:50:45 pm
truth Unregistered User (2/25/02 6:35 am) Reply	higher kriyas Pig Ma, I have all 4 Kriyas (from SRF), but I have stopped (for the time being) even practice of Kriya 2 as the technicques get more "difficult"(I can not find a better word for it) after Kriya 1. In my opinion it makes no sense practicing the higher Kriyas before one has not become proficient (experiencing the chakras and the energy flow in the spine) in the basic one. I'll wait till I feel guided to start practicing the higher ones.
Pig Ma Registered User (2/25/02 8:55 pm) Reply	Re: higher kriyas Truth, It sounds like you are choosing wisely what will work best in your life at this time. And Sacred Lovemaker, you see the irony of how this thread is now completely off the original request of keeping on course? I've noticed that this is sometimes how threads progress, with no disrespect to the original poster. I value how I learned something totally new to me, and I thank you all.
Sacred Lovemaker Unregistered User (2/25/02 11:14 pm) Reply	Hello again Pig Ma This situation is different. Here, I was making a request directly to the Walrus. But it would have been impolite of me to ignore your question about the higher kriyas or the information you provided about you and your husband regarding tantra, so I guess the thread began with your question and my answer. On the other thread, there were a few individuals who repeatedly INSISTED on turning a discussion on sacred sexuality into one on philandering spiritual leaders. I believe these two topics are really mutually exclusive when you examine them: Sacred sexuality is about respect, tenderness, and an appreciation for the finer forces in the universe. Abusing spiritual authority through the use of sex is about lacking integrity. It might have been possible to merge the two by showing how one is the antithesis of the other, but I didn't feel these folks were building any cognitive bridges with what I wrote. Furthermore, sacred sexuality (we are not all monastics in SRF) gets next to no attention in discussions among our members which makes me wonder how there can be healthy attitudes towards it if the mention of it always gets swept under the rug. I believe there needs to be a place in SRF discussion where Kriyaban householders can take off the oppressive monastic hat we've all been forced to wear as well as all the judgment and talk about spirituality in the context of the life we really live. Hope that helps to de-ironize the irony
Sacred Lovemaker Unregistered User (2/25/02 11:44 pm) Reply	We already have a discussion going on Sexy Sadies By the way, we already have a section devoted to sex, gurus, etc. It can be found in the section titled "IN THE NEWS" under the following thread New Times LA Article 11/29/01 Currently there are over 30 responses devoted to this subject, not including where it may appear on other threads. What more do these guys want?
username Registered User (2/26/02 5:22 am) Reply	To: sacred lovemaker chill. Let people express themselves.
Terrie Unregistered User (2/26/02 12:13 pm) Reply	Re: Higher Kriyas I never could understand the whole idea of getting "permission from Mother Center" to practice more kriyas!! Shouldn't the guidance for increasing kriyas come from within, from the Guru or our own feelings about when we can do more kriyas? What does anyone from MC know about our private kriya practice anyway?? This always rubbed me the wrong way, as if the anonymous person who corresponds with the lessons student has some kind of secret knowledge or special insight. That always bothered me too...any letters from SRF are signed "Mother Center." Well, WHO writes the letters?? The same for the higher kriyas. Why not include them in the later lessons with instructions to depend upon ourselves as to if and when we should move to the higher kriyas? More handholding and the fostering of dependence by Mother Center??
Terrie Unregistered User (2/26/02 12:21 pm) Reply	Pulling Together Kriaya Threads? Maybe this thread should be re-titled and added to another thread somewhere on this board that is about Kriya? You can't tell from the subject what this thread is about until you read the posts. Where is the sacred lovemaking thread?
AumBoy Registered User (2/27/02 10:59 am) Reply	Re: Pulling Together Kriaya Threads? pub78.ezboard.com/fsrfwal...D=15.topic

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