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DNA Unregistered User (12/22/01 11:14 am) Reply	Yogananda being a father In the wake of the New Times article about the allegations that Yogananda may have fathered a son but not only that, he may have been "doing everything in sight" or however they put it, the outcry seems to be that if these allegations are proven to be true Yogananda's followers will leave in droves and won't consider him an avatar anymore. It would be interesting to see how people here feel. If these allegations turn out to be true, would you feel betrayed and drop Yogananda as your guru? Or would it make no difference in how you view him? Personally, it wouldn't make any difference to me. An avatar is beyond our comprehension. We can't judge him by the same worldly standards we judge everything else here on Earth. Plenty of other avatars have married and had children in and out of marriage. Lahiri Mahasaya had two sons in his marriage, others have had sexual relationships without being married. What would you do if the allegations were true?
KS Registered User (12/22/01 11:22 am) Reply	Re: Yogananda being a father For myself that kind of speculation doesn't have much interest. If it is a test of loyalty or an effort to see what it is about Master is important to us, then debate it. For me it is science fiction and being pushed by the enemies of SRF to embarass the work. SRF has done plenty of bad stuff on their own. Sticking to the real stuff can get their actions out into the open quicker and be a better tool for pushing for change.
AumBoy Registered User (12/22/01 2:17 pm) Reply	Re: Yogananda being a father Yogananda is my Guru. Period. The blessings and experiences I have been blessed to received through Him cannot be diminished in any way by any thing He may or may not have done or any allegations to that affect. I am being freed through Him. I was perturbed when the articles first appeared. But it makes no difference now.
username Registered User (12/22/01 2:38 pm) Reply	Re: Yogananda being a father What year did SRF start saying that Yogananda was an avatar? When I first starting going there, they never said it, then for years they said he might be an avatar, now they say he is an avatar. Doesn't some hindu council come and check you out before you are declared an avatar? I believe this is so. The hindu scripture say that there are only two avatars on the planet at any one time. Who who are the avatars today? Sai Baba? Amachi? Speaking about Amachi. There seems to do a lot of SRF people who visit her. Someone told me once (they were in SRF) that she was the reincarnation of Yogananda. Has anyone else heard anything like that.
chuckle Unregistered User (12/22/01 5:30 pm) Reply	Re: Yogananda being a father Like KS, I suspect that this stuff about Yogananda fathering a child is untrue, and is just being puched by this newspaper to sell papers. But, if it turned out that Master did father a child, I would be very upset. First, it would mean that he misrepresented himself as a celibate monastic. Second, it would mean that he lied about this, or never owned up to it. Third, if we are to believe the accounts of this man, it would mean that Master ignored the welfare of a child. These are extremely serious matters for me. To say that I would experience a little cognitive dissonance upon hearing a confirmation that Master was the father would be a gross understatement! Would I renounce Yogananda as my guru? I can't say, but it is certainly a possibliity. That he might have had sex with someone is of relatively little importance to me--as long as it had been done honestly and appropriately. However, I seriously doubt that he was the father, nor do I believe the stories of him "doing everything in sight." But I welcome any attempts at uncovering the truth.
premdas Registered User (12/22/01 8:04 pm) Reply	Look to the sources I look at the character, sincerity, morals, writings, devotion and works of those disciples who seem to have known him best, as well as represent him energetically, such as Durga Mata, Dr. Lewis, Kamala Silva, Sister Gyanamata, Kriyananda, Rajarsi (Mr. Lynn), Mr. Black, Amalitta-Curci (sp). Their characters attest to his. Yogananda is my guru.
Carbohydramoy Unregistered User (12/24/01 5:30 pm) Reply	Comment I kinda wonder why the New Times article left out the fact that Ben's mother was a diagnosed schizophrenic who spent a portion of her life in and out of mental hospitals. . . . I believe that Ben believes that PY is his father, but it just ain't so.
Musicman Unregistered User (1/4/02 12:38 pm) Reply	It ain't so? We don't know that it just ain't so. That's why SRF needs to stop stonewalling and resolve this through a court-administered DNA test. They give the appearance of an organization that has something to hide. Actually, New Times did quote Ben as saying that his mother had a mental breakdown and was committed to a hospital. It also added, as I recall, that given what she had been put through, by her husband and (possibly) Yogananda, that wasn't very surprising. I agree.
AumBoy Registered User (1/9/02 10:31 am) Reply	Re: yogananda as a father I would not think it horrible to speak with Ben or his wife. I think it is sweet. Why? Because it goes to show that not all people in (or out of) SRF are fundamentalist nutcases. (Just to coin a phrase.) We are all souls made in the image of God. None of us sees the whole picture. The problem is that SRF, with all it's secret motives, has yet to be straightforward and open. And the last time I checked, straightforwardness is one of the 26 divine qualities. Nice post, cj.
chuckle Unregistered User (1/9/02 5:31 pm) Reply	Yogananda as a father Jessica, I can appreciate your uneasy feelings about Yogananda being a father. This would be very upsetting if true. I've seen the documents from the genetic testing that are posted at the anandainfo site. They put my mind at ease because this kind of genetic testing (where you are testing for similarities in the Y- chromosome) is 100% accurate, not 95%, not 99.5% but 100% accurate, when you are trying to establish whether someone is not the father. Well, you say, you can't trust SRF, which obtained the samples. But it's not quite that simple. You can trust the lab (in this case, Genetic Technologies). Quite simply, these genetic testing labs can't afford to screw around--they'd be sued out of existence in a New York minute. If they don't think everything is on the up and up with a particular sample, they don't do the test. End of story. This kind of testing goes on all the time, is very accurate, and is mostly used in court cases establishing legal paternity. Neither the lab, nor the insurance company that protects the lab can afford to have mistakes, so the labs are extremely careful in how these matters are handled. If you have any doubts, contact the Genetics Technologies lab. They have a website. As to the similarities in the photos, some wag put up a website that showed the same pics of Master and Erskine, as well as pics of Roy Rogers, Mao Zedong, and one other individual (whom I've forgotten). They all looked very much alike, especially the eyes. Alas, the website is now gone.
Gray beard Registered User (1/9/02 8:27 pm) Reply	Re: Yogananda as a father Chuckle, Much of what you write is true concerning the above-boardness of a DNA testing lab. However in this case did they anaylze the blood of Yogananda's nephew or someone completely unrelated? If they are able to ascertain that Yogananda wasn't the father through the blood they obtained from SRF, were they able to identify the blood as definitely being from Yogananda's nephew? In other words were there DNA characteristics that proved conclusively that the sample from the nephew was from the genetic lineage of Yogananda? If they were able to identify the tested-sample as being from the nephew then I believe beyond question that paternity was conclusively proven not to be Yogananda. If not I think we still have a problem. And according to the last discussion of this issue in New Times LA, Mr. Erksine's lawyer is arguing in Superior Court L.A. that his client have Yogananda's body exhumed to have a DNA sample extracted for testing to put this issue at rest. Still big happenings on the horizon if the judge is persuaded by the arguments of Mr. Erksine's lawyer. I wasn't able, after reading this latest article to ascertain the date of the hearing, much less the court's ruling and would be very interested if anyone here knows either the date of the hearing, or the outcome if it has already been held.
chuckle Unregistered User (1/9/02 10:06 pm) Reply	reply to graybeard Hi, graybeard! I don't want to sound like an apologist for Mother Center, but if my memory serves me correctly, you'll see that they had a doctor and a notary present when the samples were taken in India. This is the kind of stuff that is routinely demanded by the labs. But don't take my word for it: if anyone is unsure, get in touch with the lab and ask about the case. I'm quite confident that the test results are accurate. As far as exhuming Master's body: it's a waste of time. The DNA decomposes within two years at the very most to a state where it is not reliable of indicating anything...and it's been fifty years (unless Master has preserved his body in an incorruptible state--and wouldn't that be interesting to those doing the testing! And, on that note, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if the body has rotted away--it's just a body).
Sid Unregistered User (1/12/02 3:53 am) Reply	Fatherhood To Chuckle, DNA lasts for a hundreds, if not thousands of years. Faith and personal expectations aside, why not do a direct test on the body? Would there be any harm to discover the valid truth? Is not the simple, honest truth, the highest good?. I personally know Erskine, he is a very good man. He has no desire to harm anyone. Over many conversations, he simply would like to know who his father is...if you were LDS (mormon) one would understand. I talked to SRF (mother center) about the NT articles. SRF comments were nearly a complete denial of everything in the article. SRF was only correct about one thing, Ben did not start this public forum business, it was the newspaper that brought things to light, not Ben. The newspaper was very correct in its reporting of the facts. Why not uncover the simple truth?
chuckle Unregistered User (1/13/02 5:53 pm) Reply	testing the body Sid, my understanding is that while you are right that DNA can survive even millions of years in the right environment (like the insect caught in prehistoric amber), the DNA does degrade when conditions are right for bacteria to act. In many cases of doing testing on a corpse than is more than a few years old, the geneticists don't know until they do the actual testing whether they'll get any useful DNA information. I have no idea whether Yogananda's body would be suitable, but I wonder whether you'd get into a legal wrangling over the interpretation of the results, with expert witness pitted against expert witness. Moreover, I suspect SRF would be extremely reluctant to allow the disinterment of Yogananda's body. Having said all that, let me add that I have absolutely no problem with anyone wanting to do any testing. And if I'm wrong about the validity of testing DNA from Yogananda's body, great, go ahead and test it. SRF's lawyer Flynn said they were going to bring over Yogananda's nephew last September and do another test to satisfy everyone. I've never heard anything about that test. It would be easy to do, and the results would be 100% accurate without any possibility of dispute. It would have been good for SRF to have done this, to put the issue to bed once and for all. If they have done the test, they should make the results public.
wannabeananda Unregistered User (1/15/02 8:14 pm) Reply	testing the body Dear Chuckle, They were going to do the testing on September 10th. I called Mother Center about it and asked if it was done. I was told. "No, because of the world conditions we didn't do it." I wanted to say, "What world conditions? They didn't begin until the 11th." So the testing was not done, and so far they don't know when it will be done. I often wonder if it ever will, or if it will be swept under the rug.
soulcircle Registered User (5/22/02 2:48 am) Reply	two avatars...amma's non-profit hospital is FOR PROFIT Walri, Any of you who are interested in the facts about amma's "charitable' aims hospital in india, that is actually for profit can email me via my profile. After 80 day-long visits with amma over 7 years, it has come to my attention, with help from this board's references to guru papers ( a book) etc, that some of us suffer from placing great lovers of god on higher pedestials then they ever seek for themselves. yogananda and amma are not unlike us..they have strengths and weaknesses..divine mother loves them...they are aware of her and we are sai baba is mentioned, yet he has been exposed for very poor behavior..and to be honest..if you or i faced intense scrutiny over a life time we would be seen for our "immoraliy" as well to finish this post.. when we want a guru and want to be a bliss bunny we will be... when we hear that amma proudly announces a for profit hospital as non-profit...when yogananda is seen as mistaken at times we can walk the path of acceptance of ourselves ( not as miserable unrealized disciples) and we can see a unity in life's path, not an inseparable ordinary reality vs. cosmic consciousness to touch the the tapestry of eastern ideology hungrily after experiences of oneness is one thing to see the gurus and isms of the east as our only hope is to look for parents when amma and yogananda would have us embrace live as co-creators is to be followers of faiths and structured organizations not unlike the soul-less religions of the west when there are other options to **be** the tapestry of small groupings of soul circles in the years ahead when all will change and when only...... people, compassion, nurturing and feminine healing and wisdom, friendship, embracing openly our failings, male celebration/bonding in poetic feeling, human dignity, renewed love of water, air, soil, food, art, dance and home can give us life and community and family ...........is the fire of passion, birth and death that i hold in my heart and offer to your hearts Walri soulcircle

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