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Ramsses II Registered User (10/17/05 9:01 pm) Reply	Saintly George Forgive my unsolicited ruminations on the demise of the world. George W. Bush can do that to you. The roster of presidents is for the most part a gallery of monsters. It is just too late in the game to have such morons running the show. Conscious leadership from a world confederation of democracies might have reversed or mitigated the impending global disaster. Surely it is too late now. Perhaps there never was any hope. After all, the great American dream of freedom and democracy was founded on the genocide of the Native Americans, the slavery of the Africans, and the exploitation of the impoverished of all races. It never had the muscle to enforce true political integrity. It was good but not good enough. It will not save us. What are the deeper reasons for the malaise of humanity? Saints from India call this the Kali Yuga, the Dark Age, the darkest possible of ages even, in the coincidence of two great cosmic cycles meeting together at their lowest points. But if God is the director, what is the point of such a show? It is the eternal play of light and darkness on the stage of time. What possible advantage could there be to the miseries humanity has borne not just in recorded history but, in fair estimation, throughout its entire existence? Awakening. The great prod of pain. The soul seed, buried in the ground of physical form, is roused from its sleep to immortality. It is Lila, the Great Play. It is the endless story of reincarnation, karma and enlightenment. I would venture to say that the victim of Iraqi terrorists getting his head sawed off finds within the space of a few minutes what the immediate and distant ministers of his torment will require lifetimes to reach. And who is to be more pitied?
metheuse Registered User (10/17/05 11:07 pm) Reply	Re: Saintly George "Love me or I will torture you." This is the God we're supposed to worship?
Ramsses II Registered User (10/18/05 6:07 am) Reply	Re: Saintly George Did I say that? What do you mean by worship?
moyma Registered User (10/27/05 7:17 pm) Reply	Re: Saintly George I have never been more disappointed in the united states than after the election of bush. For ANYONE to even think that the man is capable of a original thought ...... I think he is along for the ride while rummy and dick run the show...Powell's withdraw was so telling....He was made the fool.....Oil OIL OIL OIL Powells U.N. show was disgracefull. that info was a setup
Ramsses II Registered User (10/27/05 7:41 pm) Reply	Re: Saintly George Evidence may soon be forthcoming that the election was indeed stolen.
dontknownothinbouthistory Registered User (10/29/05 4:41 pm) Reply	Re: there are videos and articles and books there have been materials around for years that 2000 "election" was stolen and more recently that 2004 was stolen How did you like the official looking letter that african-americans in Ohio got before Nov 2004 "election" day that so many were expected to vote, that their precinct voting place would be open Wednesday in addition to Tuesday? perhaps the book around the longest ....four or five years The Best Democracy Money Can Buy by Greg Palast Even before the Supreme Shame selected George W. Murderer and Thief to be "pres." in 2000 all Europe and the world have the evidence and proof that it was stolen. Corporate owned neo-con U.S. media wasn't about to tell the American people. Why do you think we all read the Observer etc from London.....a non-profit newspaper publisher by the way. CBS had it but wouldn't run it. They said, "We checked the info with Jeb Bush and he said it isn't true!" www.gregpalast.com Edited by: dontknownothinbouthistory at: 10/29/05 4:42 pm
dontknownothinbouthistory Registered User (10/29/05 4:44 pm) Reply	easy find of election 2004 article this from bottom of page: www.gregpalast.com : JIM CROW RETURNS TO THE VOTING BOOTH DOES AMERICA HAVE AN APARTHEID VOTE-COUNTING SYSTEM? 2006 PROJECT CENSORED AWARD WINNER Project Censored 2006: The News That Didn't Make The News Wednesday Oct 19, 2005 By Greg Palast There are conspiracy nuts out there on the Internet who think that John Kerry defeated George Bush in Ohio and other states. I know, because I wrote "Kerry Won" for TomPaine.com two days after the election. "Kerry Won" was the latest in a series coming out of a five-year investigation, begun in November 2000, for BBC Television Newsnight and Britain's Guardian papers, dissecting that greasy sausage called American electoral democracy. On November 11, a week after TomPaine.com put the report out on the 'Net, I received an email from the New York Times Washington Bureau. Hot on the investigation of the veracity of the vote, the Times reporter asked me pointed questions: Question #1: Are you a "sore loser"? Question #2: Are you a "conspiracy nut"? There ... [ Click here for full article ]
dontknownothinbouthistory Registered User (10/29/05 4:50 pm) Reply	the breakfast bagel / the whole story JIM CROW RETURNS TO THE VOTING BOOTH DOES AMERICA HAVE AN APARTHEID VOTE-COUNTING SYSTEM? 2006 PROJECT CENSORED AWARD WINNER Project Censored 2006: The News That Didn't Make The News Wednesday, October 19, 2005 E-Mail Article Printer Friendly Version By Greg Palast There are conspiracy nuts out there on the Internet who think that John Kerry defeated George Bush in Ohio and other states. I know, because I wrote "Kerry Won" for TomPaine.com two days after the election. "Kerry Won" was the latest in a series coming out of a five-year investigation, begun in November 2000, for BBC Television Newsnight and Britain's Guardian papers, dissecting that greasy sausage called American electoral democracy. On November 11, a week after TomPaine.com put the report out on the 'Net, I received an email from the New York Times Washington Bureau. Hot on the investigation of the veracity of the vote, the Times reporter asked me pointed questions: Question #1: Are you a "sore loser"? Question #2: Are you a "conspiracy nut"? There was no third question. Investigation of the vote was, apparently, complete. The next day, their thorough analysis of the evidence yielded a front-page story, "VOTE FRAUD THEORIES, SPREAD BY BLOGS, ARE QUICKLY BURIED." Here's a bit of what the Paper of Record failed to record. In June 2004, well before the election, my co-author of "Jim Crow" Rev. Jesse Jackson brought me to Chicago. We had breakfast with Vice-Presidential candidate John Edwards. The Reverend asked the Senator to read my report of the "spoilage" of Black votes-one million African Americans who cast ballots in 2000 but did not have their votes register on the machines. Edwards said he'd read it over after he'd had his bagel. Jackson snatched away his bagel. No read, no bagel. A hungry Senator was genuinely concerned-these were, after all, Democrats whose votes did not tally, and he shot the information to John Kerry. A couple of weeks later, Kerry told the NAACP convention that one million African-American votes were not counted in 2000, but in 2004 he would not let it happen again. But he did let it happen again. More than a million votes in 2004 were cast and not counted. As a reporter, it's not my job to help the Democratic Party learn to tie its shoes. And, as a nonpartisan journalist, I'm not out to expose the Republican Party's new elaborate campaign to prevent voters from voting-but I must report it. However, editors and news producers in my home country, the USA, seem less than interested. Indeed, they are downright hostile to reporting this story of the shoplifting of our democracy. America has an apartheid voting system, denying African-Americans, Hispanics and American Natives the assurance their ballots will count. Worse, America has an apartheid media which denies racial disenfranchisement a seat at the front of the news bus. It was in November 2000 I first ran into the U.S. news lord's benign neglect of the "new Jim Crow" methods of denying citizens of color their vote. While working with the British Guardian papers just days before the 2000 presidential election, I discovered that Governor Jeb Bush and his Secretary of State, Katharine Harris, had wrongly purged tens of thousands of Black citizens from voter rolls as "felons"-when in fact their only crime had been V.W.B.: Voting While Black. Nothing appeared in the U.S. press. However, I admit that the Florida purge story was picked up by the New York Times ... four years later. Just before the November 2004 election, BBC television Newsnight discovered new, confidential "caging lists" which we got our hands on from inside the Republican National Committee headquarters. These were rosters of thousands of minority voters targeted to prevent them from voting on election day: a violation of federal law. It was big news in Europe and South America. In the USA, there was nothing except an attack on BBC's report by ABC's web site. ABC's only listed source for their attack on the BBC was the Republican Party. The story of the purge of Black voters, the million missing Black ballots cast but not counted, the caging lists, and other games used to deny the vote to the dark-skinned and the poor, would have been buried long ago if not for BBC Television, Harper's Magazine (may it last a thousand years), Britain's Guardian and Observer, The Nation, the op-ed editors at the San Francisco Chronicle and Seattle Post-Intelligencer and, provocatively, Hustler Magazine. Even if ignored or actively 'dissed by U.S. "mainstream" media, the story will be continue to be reported, due to the passionate insistence of Reverend Jackson, from a thousand pulpits. Thanks to GeorgeBush.org for capturing the 'caging lists.' And bless the blogs, for they shall set the truth free: TomPaine.com, Buzzflash, Working-for-Change and other Internet sites carried the story over the electronic Berlin Wall. Finally, my gratitude to our indefatigable investigative team, particularly Oliver Shykles and Matt Pascarella for their work on this story-on which they continue today-and to Meirion Jones, producer nonpareil at BBC television's Newsnight. Here's the original article from the Seattle Post-Intelligencer Project Censored is the media research group of the California State University's Journalism School which annually chooses the most important stories of the year ignored by America's mainstream press. This is one of two investigations by the Palast Team which Project Censored highlighted as news that didn't make the news. Get your copy of the 2006 Project Censor Year-Book available from 7 Stories Press -- To recieve the Palast Investigative Reports or to view his BBC TV broadcasts, go to www.GregPalast.com
dontknownothinbouthistory Registered User (11/16/05 12:18 am) Reply	well here we have it In this thread in October a poster wrote: "Evidence may soon be forthcoming that the election was indeed stolen. " Well here we have it from the government itself: Powerful Government Accountability Office report confirms key 2004 stolen election findings by Bob Fitrakis & Harvey Wasserman October 26, 2005 www.freepress.org/departm.../2005/1529 In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. As a legal noose appears to be tightening around the Bush/Cheney/Rove inner circle, a shocking government report shows the floor under the legitimacy of their alleged election to the White House is crumbling. The latest critical confirmation of key indicators that the election of 2004 was stolen comes in an extremely powerful, penetrating report from the Government Accountability Office that has gotten virtually no mainstream media coverage. The government's lead investigative agency is known for its general incorruptibility and its thorough, in-depth analyses. Its concurrence with assertions widely dismissed as "conspiracy theories" adds crucial new weight to the case that Team Bush has no legitimate business being in the White House. Nearly a year ago, senior Judiciary Committee Democrat John Conyers (D-MI) asked the GAO to investigate electronic voting machines as they were used during the November 2, 2004 presidential election. The request came amidst widespread complaints in Ohio and elsewhere that often shocking irregularities defined their performance. According to CNN, the U.S. House Judiciary Committee received "more than 57,000 complaints" following Bush's alleged re-election. Many such concerns were memorialized under oath in a series of sworn statements and affidavits in public hearings and investigations conducted in Ohio by the Free Press and other election protection organizations. The non-partisan GAO report has now found that, "some of [the] concerns about electronic voting machines have been realized and have caused problems with recent elections, resulting in the loss and miscount of votes." The United States is the only major democracy that allows private partisan corporations to secretly count and tabulate the votes with proprietary non-transparent software. Rev. Jesse Jackson, among others, has asserted that "public elections must not be conducted on privately-owned machines." The CEO of one of the most crucial suppliers of electronic voting machines, Warren O'Dell of Diebold, pledged before the 2004 campaign to deliver Ohio and thus the presidency to George W. Bush. Bush's official margin of victory in Ohio was just 118,775 votes out of more than 5.6 million cast. Election protection advocates argue that O'Dell's statement still stands as a clear sign of an effort, apparently successful, to steal the White House. Among other things, the GAO confirms that: 1. Some electronic voting machines "did not encrypt cast ballots or system audit logs, and it was possible to alter both without being detected." In other words, the GAO now confirms that electronic voting machines provided an open door to flip an entire vote count. More than 800,000 votes were cast in Ohio on electronic voting machines, some seven times Bush's official margin of victory. 2. "It was possible to alter the files that define how a ballot looks and works so that the votes for one candidate could be recorded for a different candidate." Numerous sworn statements and affidavits assert that this did happen in Ohio 2004. 3. "Vendors installed uncertified versions of voting system software at the local level." 3. Falsifying election results without leaving any evidence of such an action by using altered memory cards can easily be done, according to the GAO. 4. The GAO also confirms that access to the voting network was easily compromised because not all digital recording electronic voting systems (DREs) had supervisory functions password-protected, so access to one machine provided access to the whole network. This critical finding confirms that rigging the 2004 vote did not require a "widespread conspiracy" but rather the cooperation of a very small number of operatives with the power to tap into the networked machines and thus change large numbers of votes at will. With 800,000 votes cast on electronic machines in Ohio, flipping the number needed to give Bush 118,775 could be easily done by just one programmer. 5. Access to the voting network was also compromised by repeated use of the same user IDs combined with easily guessed passwords. So even relatively amateur hackers could have gained access to and altered the Ohio vote tallies. 6. The locks protecting access to the system were easily picked and keys were simple to copy, meaning, again, getting into the system was an easy matter. 7. One DRE model was shown to have been networked in such a rudimentary fashion that a power failure on one machine would cause the entire network to fail, re-emphasizing the fragility of the system on which the Presidency of the United States was decided. 8. GAO identified further problems with the security protocols and background screening practices for vendor personnel, confirming still more easy access to the system. In essence, the GAO study makes it clear that no bank, grocery store or mom & pop chop shop would dare operate its business on a computer system as flimsy, fragile and easily manipulated as the one on which the 2004 election turned. The GAO findings are particularly damning when set in the context of an election run in Ohio by a Secretary of State simultaneously working as co-chair of the Bush-Cheney campaign. Far from what election theft skeptics have long asserted, the GAO findings confirm that the electronic network on which 800,000 Ohio votes were cast was vulnerable enough to allow a a tiny handful of operatives -- or less -- to turn the whole vote count using personal computers operating on relatively simple software. The GAO documentation flows alongside other crucial realities surrounding the 2004 vote count. For example: The exit polls showed Kerry winning in Ohio, until an unexplained last minute shift gave the election to Bush. Similar definitive shifts also occurred in Iowa, Nevada and New Mexico, a virtual statistical impossibility. A few weeks prior to the election, an unauthorized former ES&S voting machine company employee, was caught on the ballot-making machine in Auglaize County Election officials in Mahoning County now concede that at least 18 machines visibly transferred votes for Kerry to Bush. Voters who pushed Kerry's name saw Bush's name light up, again and again, all day long. Officials claim the problems were quickly solved, but sworn statements and affidavits say otherwise. They confirm similar problems in Franklin County ( Columbus). Kerry's margins in both counties were suspiciously low. A voting machine in Mahoning County recorded a negative 25 million votes for Kerry. The problem was allegedly fixed. In Gahanna Ward 1B, at a fundamentalist church, a so-called "electronic transfer glitch" gave Bush nearly 4000 extra votes when only 638 people voted at that polling place. The tally was allegedly corrected, but remains infamous as the "loaves and fishes" vote count. In Franklin County, dozens of voters swore under oath that their vote for Kerry faded away on the DRE without a paper trail. In Miami County, at 1:43am after Election Day, with the county's central tabulator reporting 100% of the vote - 19,000 more votes mysteriously arrived; 13,000 were for Bush at the same percentage as prior to the additional votes, a virtual statistical impossibility. In Cleveland, large, entirely implausible vote totals turned up for obscure third party candidates in traditional Democratic African-American wards. Vote counts in neighboring wards showed virtually no votes for those candidates, with 90% going instead for Kerry. Prior to one of Blackwell's illegitimate "show recounts," technicians from Triad voting machine company showed up unannounced at the Hocking County Board of Elections and removed the computer hard drive. In response to official information requests, Shelby and other counties admit to having discarded key records and equipment before any recount could take place. In a conference call with Rev. Jackson, Attorney Cliff Arnebeck, Attorney Bob Fitrakis and others, John Kerry confirmed that he lost every precinct in New Mexico that had a touchscreen voting machine. The losses had no correlation with ethnicity, social class or traditional party affiliation---only with the fact that touchscreen machines were used. In a public letter, Rep. Conyers has stated that "by and large, when it comes to a voting machine, the average voter is getting a lemon - the Ford Pinto of voting technology. We must demand better." But the GAO report now confirms that electronic voting machines as deployed in 2004 were in fact perfectly engineered to allow a very small number of partisans with minimal computer skills and equipment to shift enough votes to put George W. Bush back in the White House. Given the growing body of evidence, it appears increasingly clear that's exactly what happened. GAO Report Revised 10/27/05 Bob Fitrakis & Harvey Wasserman are co-authors of HOW THE GOP STOLE AMERICA'S 2004 ELECTION & IS RIGGING 2008, available via freepress.org and harveywasserman.com. Their WHAT HAPPENED IN OHIO, with Steve Rosenfeld, will be published in Spring, 2006, by New Press.

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