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searcher58
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(5/16/03 10:12 am)
Reply 		Sunday School
I am new to this board. I have been attending SRF services in Phoenix for about 6 years. I have involved my children in Sunday School here as well. While I have always had doubts about accepting SRF as my church, I felt that as far as churches go, this was more open-minded than both and a good choice for introducing children to religious ideas. In spite of the politics and my own decision to receive Kriya outside of SRF, I feel that I haven't seen anything better out there for a Sunday service environment. I have found people to be rather cliquish here and have not made any friends, although I am not shy and usually make friends quickly. My children, have, however been happy here. Also of note is that Brother Satyananda has recently become a lecturer at the Phoenix temple and I have noticed a lot of criticism of him on this board. I am just wondering what peoples views are on the Youth Programs in general. Is there anything going on there that I should be worried about? The teachers seem to be genuine and loving people, but they are just members, I guess.

KS
Registered User
(5/16/03 8:35 pm)
Reply 		Re: Sunday School
In general there is nothing to be worried about for your kids in Sunday school. There is a lot of cult thinking but it is lightly sold in my opinion. For kids it is probably a fair intro into Eastern religion. The teachers I know are good honest people volunteering to help kids. Nothing to worry about there generally. Of course there can always be a bad egg.

Kids get bored by the SRF rap before their teens usually and I would not push them myself to attend. But again, I would not consider it harmful. There are A LOT worse things a kids could be doing for an hour on Sunday.

crogman1
Registered User
(5/17/03 7:26 am)
Reply 		Re: Sunday School
I would agree that there is not a serious problem with Sunday School at SRF, especially not outside the Los Angeles area. Learning something about yoga can give kids a better grounding in religion over many narrow Christian schools. That said there is the disappointing worship of Daya that the kids would see. They will see her picture and hear “wonderful” letters from her read with great devotion from the teachers. This will be confusing for the kids who seem to see right through this.

One good thing might be a short lesson in reality this might provide for little emotional expense (much less than most adults). SRF is now in general decline and once Daya passes away there will be a general collapse of the organization within a few years. To recover, if they do, SRF will need some honest introspection and need to admit the mistakes made by Daya and her family. This realization that she was a disappointing leader, not a God realized master, will be traumatic for many. If kids are brought up in SRF it will be a valuable lesson for them on how the world works, how ego is a strong force, and how maya can deceive and corrupt even those who have had contact with a great master like Yogananda.

soulcircle
Registered User
(5/17/03 8:42 pm)
Reply 		kids who swallow some
Hi.

Kids who swallow some of it will also be possible victims of betrayal.

And to thnk that even in one encounter they may be exposed to tasteless hypocrisy, if not oly in sunday school room, also in the milleu of before and after

a feeling from my "man's" intuiition.

soulcircle

crogman1
Registered User
(5/17/03 9:28 pm)
Reply 		Re: kids who swallow some
Kids just don't buy the BS sold by SRF so they don't suffer too much from the sense of betrayal once they discover what SRF really is like. Most of them have nothing invested so they don't have a big hit.

Adults are the people who suffer. They give up things, change their diet, spend hours in the dark, send in money, spend hours serving or become monastics or employees then BOOM. The sense of betrayal is pretty great.

soulcircle
Registered User
(5/17/03 10:06 pm)
Reply 		perhaps we will hear from youth
Guests, friends and All,

i am concerned that we speak as "authorities" for the kids themselves
knowing of numerous kids who refuse to attend the sunday schools........

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well let me take another tack........knowing that at richmond a sunday school class is held at times even if only one child attends......i wonder what the child's experience is.......

and knowing over 23 years that after months of "suffering," some individual children, ............
against srf resistance are put ahead to another group

and knowing in detail of some of the dynamics of particular classes, dynamics that are rather askew for the whole hour.....

knowing of my experience as an aide, being tortured into conforming to what srf wanted, not who i am....

knowing rather personally the woman who came up to "train" richmond teachers over the years, the mother center lay "expert," and a couple of her deeply conflicted issues, dishonesty and morbid secrecy...........

let's speak for ourselves, and when a chance arises let youth speak when they are wont to.

In my youth I knew adults had no clue, of being in touch with feelings or of being in the moment, among other things, and question their authority [speaking for youth] on anything as a result.

what is adult children of alcoholics, and what are disfuctional families and what are inner child books about, if not dysfunctional parents taking their kids to church, parents who are street angels and house devils, read the "what is truth" topic right here under the "I need advise" menu item., by the seven year old whose church attending foster mom, beat her with a broom, and foster dad raped her, whose family preacher said, "Don't say these things about your foster parents, who are good people."

and srf is not a yoga, spiritual environment
it is spiritual only in some of the talk they talk

the walk they walk is fear and mental illness

let the 17 year old who at mother center was arrested and handcuffed speak for himself,

baa baa baa, blah blah blah

here's to the Hiphop Nation's first song on sfr and religion enslaving people, starting with christening, and "family rooms," and sunday school, or their tenth, or thousandth song on
UNIVERSAL LIBERATION, coming soon to a poetry slam or graffitti, breakdance, Hiphop walri event near you.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
are we ignorant of our own teachings and Luther Burbanks words spread for all time by PY, that youth's very nature is being pliant,
and yuktesar's remark that being told something about never working for another left an indelible impression?

Hiphop circle

Edited by: soulcircle at: 5/17/03 10:16:28 pm
soulcircle
Registered User
(5/17/03 10:22 pm)
Reply 		Question
crogman1

Quote:
Kids just don't buy the BS sold by SRF so they don't suffer too much from the sense of betrayal once they discover what SRF really is like. Most of them have nothing invested so they don't have a big hit.


in this quote above you not not speaking from theory, you are speaking of real kids with names who were in and out of your house form infancy or as three year olds, real kids like the three year old i used to chat with in '80 who was off to drugs and ganglife 15 years later, fortunately he left his life on the street

you are speaking from theory, real kids, a mixture of both, please do you have a moment to reply?

question authority circle

Edited by: soulcircle at: 5/17/03 10:23:34 pm
crogman1
Registered User
(5/18/03 6:03 am)
Reply 		Re: Question
Am I speaking from experience? I was a Sunday school teacher for a short time, and attended a temple for many years. I found the kids were totally NOT into the SRF baloney. The very young kids just put up with it and didn’t understand most of the message due to the poor teaching techniques among other things. As the kids got to be 12 or so NONE of them were into it that I saw. I am sure that some were somewhere, but I didn’t see it. For them to find out that Daya is a fake would be no big deal to them.

As they got older I would see none of them come around the temple and when they moved out of the house they were gone. I knew some that started attending other churches even before they moved out of the house. I did not know any who had been harmed by SRF. Of course many parents were, but the kids were not invested in it.

Another interesting point is to look around the temple at the number of 16 to 24 year olds serving and helping. Very very few. Those that are have usually been brought by their parents at the point of an arm rest.

This should not be a surprise. The SRF cult is very very small and these days as many people give up on them as join. Contrary to the SRF myth, it is not growing and taking over the planet. Most people that start the SRF lessons never make it past lesson 20. It is only a few of us who have been do drawn to the truth and light that IS even today Yogananda that we glance off that and assume that SRF and Yogananda are the same. Kids don’t pick up on that and the new generation is not picking it up either.

Edited by: crogman1 at: 5/18/03 6:04:20 am
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