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Devotee1970 Registered User (10/29/02 8:27 pm) Reply	Re: drink as deep as you want Soulcircle, I've been thinking about your eagle. I've been thinking about how the eagle soars effortlessly; how the lillies just grow -- how they "toil not, neither do they spin"; how the starry dove is what it is. I've been thinking of all my fruitless searches for Truth -- looking for the perfect organization, teachers, teachings and techniques. I've been thinking about your friend, Jason. I've been thinking about Ammachi rubbing his body with sandalwood paste and sacred ash. I've been thinking that the Mother has spread healing balm on us all, but that most of us, unlike Jason, aren't always so receptive to Her blessings. I've been thinking about one time recently when, due to certain circumstances in my life, I hadn't gotten hardly any sleep for months, wasn't able to meditate, wasn't able to do anything but deal with the trial God had given me. I remember laying down one night in pain and exhaustion and thinking, "Lord, what's left of me?" At that moment, I felt such indescribable bliss flowing over me. Wave after wave permeated every particle of my being. The funny thing was that I still felt the pain too. I've been thinking God is like that -- indescribable joy and pain existing in one body. I've been thinking what I felt when I looked into my earthly mother's eyes for the last time and what I felt when I looked into my newborn child's eyes for the first time. I've been thinking that I don't know what Truth is, or if there is such a thing, but if it does exist, it was as much or more in those two moments as it was in my deepest meditations. I've been thinking that I used to write poetry and that I need to start again. I've been thinking that the eagle doesn't understand, and neither do I, but that if it can soar without knowing, so can I. I've been thinking about what can't be expressed in words. I've been thinking about your eagle. Devotee1970
Devotee1970 Registered User (10/30/02 12:12 am) Reply	And a Tribute to You All The Eagle and the Rose God planted a rose. And man crushed its soft petals. But its sweet fragrance lingered. And love blossomed again in the garden. And the eagle soared. And all was well. (Love is the only question. Love is the only answer.)
Devotee1970 Registered User (10/31/02 3:01 pm) Reply	a few more words wholetruth -- I see I never thanked you for your nice compliment. I do so now. May I some day be truly worthy of it. SonOfSpirit -- I like your Buffalo Springfield poetry. I also like your compassion and enthusiasm for life. soulcircle -- I have sat in meditation with your eagle, and now Divine Mother tells me to send her back to you and Jason to bathe you both in Golden Light. May the eagle take you to the farthest star, and may the Mother take you through the nearest one -- even as your feet remain firmly planted on this world of clay. There is more -- but not in words. Easyrose -- I hope we have not overwhelmed you. God has spoken to us all through you, and in trying to comfort you, we have found peace ourselves. Keep it simple. Keep it real. Take it one day at a time. We love you. Everyone else -- I love you too.
SonofSpirit Registered User (10/31/02 5:26 pm) Reply	Re: a few more words There is so very much birthing and evolving in this, the Easyrose thread. I have much to say to each of you concerning your postings. Soon, I hope to address each of you when I am able to spend the time to concentrate my feelings into coherent thoughts. You are all lovely. Let me start there. Secondly, I, for one, most sincerely WANT each of you to dig deeply where your personal pearls wait in quietude. Please, please, express your innner, your creative self here where we are all Easyrose. Devotee1970, and soulcircle (and whomever else wants to express themself), I find your poetry a refreshing balm for my sometimes grey days. I WANT to let mySelf soar with YOUR wings, and to see our better side through your eyes. I WANT to feel in my heart what your tender hearts feel. I WANT to know each of you through your individual subtlties of understanding and spirituality. Believe me, dear ones, I do feel your heartfelt vibrations imprinted in your words and between the words and beyond your words. Please, please unfold, and in doing so, lift us up, and inspire us with your spiritual, Divinely sourced, creative musings. Psalms to you all. You have my love. SoS.
Devotee1970 Registered User (11/1/02 12:57 am) Reply	Re: a few more words SonOfSpirit, I have learned much from you as well. Thank you for being my teacher. I have already said more than I ever intended and more than I really know, but if I have any new thoughts, I will certainly not hesitate to share them. Thank you for helping to create a positive, loving environment in which we can all be as we are. There is much wisdom inside of YOU, and I am certain that it will take you where you want to go. YOU WILL SOAR. I wish I had more of your humility and tenderness. I love you.
Easyrose Registered User (11/1/02 5:53 pm) Reply	Re: What is the truth? The kind things you all say about each other and me too is a special kind of goodness. I have been thinking a lot about me and my karma, so I want you to tell me what you all think about it. I know you make karma when you do things and then this karma energy gets stuck to you. Your soul you know. So one day you’re just going along, not doing much, not hurting anybody. You’re just hanging out, maybe going to the grocery store or meditating in the park just feeling the sun on your face and letting go. Then all of a sudden a bee stings you or you get a cold or you get hit by a car or you lose all you money. And then some folks say you got karma. So this stuff that made you rich or poor or get sick is stuck to you. I mean your soul it’s stuck to. I mean, since you made it then it’s yours. Right? And since it belongs to you like it’s part of you then you can’t get rid of it. I mean, it’s so much you that you don’t even know you got it til it hits you. So you die but the karma is still there because the karma isn’t attached to the body. It’s attached to your soul. So if you’re sick in life then that karma doesn’t just play out if you get well or stop if you die. I’m thinking it’s still there when you’re in the astral level and when you reincarnate it’s always there just waiting to jump out at you again just like before or ten times before. It’s yours, right? And you can’t get rid of it. I know you’re making good karma too but the bad stuff is still there for ever. Like I’m nobody, ok? That’s my karma, or some of it. I don’t have a family. I mean a real mother and father. I didn’t grow up with birthday parties to mark the years. I don’t really know my birthday. There’s paperwork but its not the real date. It’s just one they made up. I can’t share memories with any body from when I was growing up. Maybe that’s good tho because there’s not much in my memory department I really want to remember any way. So this is one way I’m nobody. And I don’t know my real name. In fact maybe I never had a real name. My name is made up too to satisfy some papers so it’s not anything special to me. It’s like more karma hanging on me. So that’s why I am nobody, really. Anyway, I just want to know about this karma following me around like for ever. It’s really frightening to think I can’t get rid of it. And if I can’t get rid of it then, WHY? I mean what’s the use? Why anything? I mean, you can spend your life helping people and being the best person you can be and that’s all good for the people you are helping and I like that. But when it’s all said and done I’m still nobody to everybody. Funny. I’m even nobody to me. I want to know what’s the point is in suffering when it doesn’t get you any where at all? Ok, so maybe you learn some kind of lesson. But the nasty piece of karma is still there. Does this make any sense to any body?
Devotee1970 Registered User (11/1/02 7:43 pm) Reply	Re: What is the truth? Easyrose, Thanks so much for your latest post. As I said earlier, I have a hard time understanding all of the suffering in the world. Whatever the reason or reasons, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me at some level, and I don't think it ever will. That being said, Yogananda did NOT teach that you are stuck with your bad karma forever or even until it all naturally plays out. He taught that karma can be overcome in many ways such as trying to be a good person, meditating regularly, developing devotion for God and praying for God's help. If you are trying your best and asking God for help, Yogananda taught that much of your past karma will eventually be taken away for you without it ever manifesting -- though it may take some time. There will still always be many challenges in life, but God will give you the strength to get through them if you ask Him for help. Yogananda also taught that not all bad things that happen are the result of karma. Sometimes bad things happen simply because there is evil in the world. This is nothing to dwell on or be fearful of, but it's important to be aware of. There are many details I have left out, but that's the gist of it. The SRF and some other yoga organizations would place more emphasis on the importance of the assistance of a God-realized guru (such as Yogananda), and I wouldn't necessarily disagree with them. However, I have lumped the help of the God-realized guru into the same category as help from God because I don't fully understand the subtle distinction between the two. I love God and Yogananda and ask for help and guidance from them both. I am sorry that you have had such a difficult life. I am glad that, as you said in your earlier posts, you are getting some therapy and connecting with some other people. I know it may be hard for you to believe, but God does love you very much -- you are His child. You are someone very special, dear one, regardless of anything that has happened in the past. I hope that in time you will come to know this. I will pray for you. My love and blessings to you. Devotee1970
Easyrose Registered User (11/2/02 10:44 am) Reply	Re: What is the truth? But I still don’t get it. I heard that energy can’t be created or destroyed, so where does it go? And I don’t really understand evil. I know religion says that evil comes from Satan and that Satan is real. But this doesn’t make sense to me because I can’t believe that God made Satan. It seems to me that evil is only choices people make and if enough people are thinking and doing evil then this energy turns into a kind of consciousness that’s always out there and it finds people who think like it is. Am I wrong? Is evil just a kind of consciousness you can tap into or get stuck in? I mean, there isn’t really a being that MAKES some body do bad stuff is there? Can you help me know which way to think is the right way? Rose.
soulcircle Registered User (11/2/02 12:12 pm) Reply	seek and find, knock and...open, ask and Easyrose, wishing for you what we wish for ourselves we have often heard about seeking and finding, etc you have asked, now will shall see in the replies if the answer is given you are focusing on the most profound questions what is truth what the f........., all this karma thing is about why did god create satan and allow evil and untold suffering i curse god for not giving you an understanding dad and loving mom many of us, i believe everyone of us, spend a good bit of our lives grappling for some of these answers i went to prison in ' 70 for ten weeks seeking peace and joining those who were moving the conscience of this country, in bringing those in Nam home before more asians and more north americans were injured, families laid waste, and many many deaths i say this because when i came out, i had the biggest question in my life it had taken a toll on me, my friends, family and community when i was locked up so upon my freedom, i realized that maybe the world during the rest of my lifetime would be frequently bathed in war and horror, was there a chance for peace? the big personal question for me.. the biggest question of my life, for as SonofSpirit has said peace and love are hand in hand in my lifetime, from all i can tell, there will be little understanding or chance of discovering truth karma, horrors and storms of suffering can easily be forecast god will be seen as having goofed, or even abandoning our planet .....having placed evil side by side with good .....having allowed religion and intelligence, to pose. religion, the hope, deserving our faith, and failing intelligence and science being more god than god is, lol, and giving little boys, toys that are our (doom?)... .....allowing children and nature to be bludgeoned .....and worse now here we are reading a poet's report card on the whole planet, and picturing general and personal conditions for each, and all of us, in this lifetime it's like.....let's bring it down to today Easyrose, you write to the board with a question in the world outside your home, there is a horror storm going on in your personal life it is even worse at times it's like....it's like..... well here's my plan........today ..the moment we have (because my wife loves me and you all are my friends) i am going to have a song in my heart against all odds, amidst the tears i share with you i am going to work (i have a shift that goes til 6am sunday morning) etc...including cleaning our home with wife & daughter i am going to have a sandwich with a homeless person and visit with jason (see the direct link in an earlier post of mine in this thread) and one of my smiles today will be because you have written this board a fourth time and with a little luck that smile will go around the world because that smile, or one of mine (perhaps a team smile, lol....you and me b a team) _____________ That Smile......Our Team Smile _____one of our team smiles __I believe ben erskine's family joins us in our smiles and hugs especially those with children will go to a suffering person who may not have ever received a smile and it will come from a place in your heart and mine, that is untouched by even the hint of feeling like a nobody from a place of never-ending mischief and an unblemished world (that even god will never know about) ________ one of our team smiles will never end and will never go out! and will never have to face up to satan ......................................or god ______ that smile is simply our friendship you all, that smile is simply our community .....never complete before, like it is now, with Easyrose thank you each and SonofSpirit i read your post again and again...wordless replies..... as i do your post DevoteeEagle...feelings....that words have never found and those posts of Easyrose's....often in these hours kissing each tear, and each of your posts give birth to each of my heartbeats and smiles <heypoet@aol.com> soulcircle Easyrose, thank you from the bottom of our hearts and yes, SonofSpirit, the song is sung is our hearts together, in the chapel of Easyrose's thread, and you have also mentioned psalms I like Edited by: soulcircle at: 11/2/02 12:18:33 pm
SonofSpirit Registered User (11/2/02 1:20 pm) Reply	Re: gardendiva Gardendiva, forgive me for this tardy response. As I earlier stated, I want to respond to each but need time. You are practical. You lift my heart. You inspire. With that, let me expound: Succinctly put: We are all experiencing life from very individual perspectives, which is why so many philosophies have arisen. There have been philosophers who have voiced their life’s perspective and have touched resonate cords in those who have become followers, as found in all beginning religions. The vast majority of individuals, however, are unsung philosophers. And within that majority the majority know not what their personal and private and individual philosophy or perspective of life is. Only a fortunate few through lessons and intuition figure it out for themselves. I am saying that there are as many philosophies or paths to finding God as there are individual souls. Each unique soul has inherently its own path or philosophy from which to work. Unfortunately, most people never discover their path. That is, most never discover their identity as a soul with its inherent uniqueness from other souls and philosophies and paths to God. So they desperately search for an identity or path or philosophy among the philosophies of others, hoping to find IT for themselves. Seldom does someone else’s path work entirely for them. There just comes a time when intuition says this path is not quite right for you. In other words, intuition says, it’s time to stop being somebody else (their dogma, their practice, their japa, their mantra, etc.) and be yourself instead, if you are going to find peace in this life. There is no one size fits all philosophy. Everything you say is true, but it is not true for everybody. Other philosophies are also true, but they may not be true for you because you are an individual with your own God-given unique path. Judging paths that are not one’s own is a waste of time. You believe that spiritual paths that have a psychological undertone to be most helpful in overcoming one’s issues. I agree with this. This understanding of the nature of the individual is the core reason there is a plethora of yogic and spiritual philosophies in the Hindu culture. This is why a true yogi emphasizes that one not trust blindly but learn to believe and trust from personal experience. If the experience rings true, if it advances the disciple of that philosophy, then it is an indication of the true nature of that practice or philosophy for that particular individual. I agree that one should not rely too heavily on experiences, per se, for they may not have spiritual significance, for they may come for a broad variety of reasons. I am speaking from a state of relativity now, and not from a state of absolute. You think that what is of importance is the how of living one’s day to day life: “do you have compassion, are you resilient and flexible emotionally, are you able to see the beauty even in chaos?” Yes. From this comes one’s path, as well as is part of the path. You say: “The emphasis on seeing where we are now (which is here on planet earth, living very physical, material existences) as some place we need to escape from...the whole idea that some nirvana is waiting for us somewhere "else" which will be oh so much better than where we are now...that pleasure in sex, food, beauty (not attachment mind you, but being fully aware of the pleasure) is somehow "bad" and "experiences" in meditation are "good"...I don't know, the whole shebang just doesn't cut it for me anymore. It's all about being somewhere else, not here and now...which is the ONLY thing that can be perceived (by my small, mortal being anyway) as real.” Remember, you are speaking of relating to one philosophy and not another. This is just as legitimate as a contrary philosophy. Too, I have found that a philosophy which helped ten years ago is no longer helpful for me now. It’s not that it was an invalid philosophy, but that in my evolving that philosophy became limiting. In other words, it had served a purpose along my spiritual path, but became limiting when I had outgrown it. Hence, moving on to another philosophy, or mantra, or technique. All you are confirming is the truth that there is no right or wrong or absolute path simply because we all are individuals and we are evolving individuals. As we vibrate at higher rates, we have new needs. This is why eventually we need Kriya 2, then 3, then 4. You state the obvious, my dear gardendiva. You say you sometimes make a distinction between suffering and pain. I understand exactly what you mean. Yet, for me, suffering is defined as an absence of peace. You say that everything simply is as it is. This is a Zen philosophy and is true from an absolute understanding of life and God. I know, for I have felt it, experienced it. I am talking about the moment as being nothing more than the moment in and of itself. Without attaching egoic judgment to the moment, without perceiving the moment as pleasure or pain, then it simply is a momentary expression of God. If experienced and viewed as an impartial, dispassionate observer, then the moment is as God presented it: pure. This is why yogic philosophy says all is lela, the play, the motion picture as Yoganandaji often said. In truth the moment is not personal. It simply is purely as it is: perfect. To experience this on any level is to touch the joy that is the moment, for it came from joy which is God. Easy to speak of, difficult to know. I know. Buddha declared that life is suffering. But let’s distinguish between life ( a mortal perspective ) and higher levels of consciousness. For is it not life we are pursuing but higher realities beyond suffering. If the path doesn’t feel right, then get off of it. Yes, life is suffering, but life is not the end. It is the beginning. As sons of Spirit, we are destined to move beyond life and not identify with it as the absolute philosophy. Therein lies a trap. This is defeatism ( for me, of course ) and a low level of consciousness ( for me, of course ). Gardendiva, you say: “So, if you feel close to Yogananda and you feel that his teachings are beneficial in your life, then follow his words to the best of your ability. Forget about the organization (as you say, you don't seem to be interested in any organization regarding religion...I feel much the same as you). If YOU are a good person and act with integrity and compassion, then that's all you have to be concerned with. If Yogananda inspires you, the Yogananda that you know in your heart, then follow that image and use it to further your spiritual journey...that's really all that matters. If you still have problems dealing with the seeming paradox between Yogananda and SRF, just let those thoughts come and go. Don't hold on to them too tightly. Perhaps someday you will find something out that will make it all make sense to you...if that's what's supposed to happen. But if not, don't worry about it too much. After all it's your relationship with God that is important, not all this other muck. There are many things in life that don't make sense, we just need to go on with our own lives in the best way we can...I don't think any of us will ever have all the answers.” God, I’m glad you are here, my dear gardendiva. You exude so much wisdom, even if it makes little sense to some. And that doesn’t matter because philosophy and truth rings for he who is ready to receive it. I understand. I hear you. Having been there, I know. I thank you for being you and gracing us with your thought, wisdom and beauty. In the moment, with love, SoS.
Devotee1970 Registered User (11/2/02 5:35 pm) Reply	Re: What is the truth? Easyrose, A few thoughts that may or may not be of use to you . . . In "not getting it" it seems to me that you get it as well as anyone and better than those who think that they do get it. In lieu of trying to understand, I try to find peace with not understanding. For me, God is someone that I can only experience in my heart -- not someone I can know intellectually. There is no theory of the universe that will make me "understand" when I look into the eyes of a child who has been abused -- but it is easy for me to love that child -- and in that love, I experience God. Peace to you. Devotee1970
username Registered User (11/2/02 5:35 pm) Reply	To: Easyrose Hinduism has two schools of thought. One is dualist - believes in good and evil. The other believes evil is like the dirt that covers a mirror. A mirror covered with dirt does not reflect the sun. But both dirt and the mirror are god. God and the devil may not be people. Maybe they are energy only. In black holes, energy apparently just disappears. No one knows or understands why.
Devotee1970 Registered User (11/3/02 6:13 am) Reply	Re: To: Easyrose There are a number of "textbook answers" to how bad karma is dissolved, such as: 1) The guru personally assumes the karma and lets it manifest in his body (there are many stories of Yogananda doing this). 2) The guru (or advanced meditator) makes the karma manifest in the astral world where it will do no harm. or, my personal favorite: 3) God made the rules, and he can ignore them when he wants to and just dissolve the karma for you. There are other explanations as well, but these are confusing enough for me. Each answer leads to a dozen other questions. Ultimately, the only truly relevant question for me is not what happens or how things happen but WHY it all happens the way it does. If I had a book with endless descriptions of all details of the universe, it wouldn't tell me WHY God made it the way He did -- why there is so much suffering, etc. To me, true wisdom isn't knowing all the "whats" and "hows" (though some knowledge of these things can be useful) but learning to love God and His children and find peace with not knowing the "big why." Your Devotee1970 Edited by: Devotee1970 at: 11/3/02 7:04:10 am
Devotee1970 Registered User (11/3/02 7:05 am) Reply	To: username Thanks for sharing with us, username. (you have a good heart)
SonofSpirit Registered User (11/6/02 5:36 pm) Reply	Re: What is the truth? My dear, dear Easyrose. As you have so touchingly said, yours has not been an easy life, a life of privilege, a child’s life. You rightly wonder and find life and its inner meaning to be large and deep and often terrifyingly dark. So do we, my inner darling. So do we. We too, on grasping hands and on bended knee climb our private paths toward the summit of spiritual awareness. Through astral windows of open hearts and awakened minds we use our inherent light of faith with which to peer into the darkly veiled infinity we devotees and disciples call “life”. O Easyrose, we are engaged in yoga. We seek Divine Spirit. We seek sometimes on wings of bliss. At times our wings are made of Grace. Sometimes we seek, buoyant with devotion. And, yes, O Easyrose, sometimes in desperation we seek with heaving beats. This is our history. Seeking the truth is who we are. We have come from Spirit as children-of-God with dirty faces. Why does ill befall the righteous man? Oh, yes, there is evil about. It coalesces in patches, as clouds here and there. To enter such a maelstrom is to fight sometimes titanic forces. These life or death encounters are not a reflection of you or your karma. But we are yogins and must oppose with “good” weapons. With arms of discipline and faith we fight the good fight. And though battle-scarred and shaken, we dust ourselves off and continue climbing toward our highest goal: the reclaiming of our Divine heritage. Dear Rose, O Easyrose. Know in your peaceful heart that our Lord God made it impossible to truly be nobody. You are just as much us as we are intimately each other. We are inseparably part of Blessed Spirit. All is God. As a piece of the Divine, how can you possibly be nobody? Dear Easyrose, consider that if you were not here, then neither would any of us be here, nor anything else, including God Himself, for that matter. That, my dear eternal friend, is the unfathomable degree of your importance and the importance shared by all of us. We are truly One. As children of our Father, we are His collective consciousness. You belong, Easyrose. You have a home: we are it. You have a family: we are it. You have honor, dignity, respect, and love: in our hearts. You have your devotion. You have your faith. You have your master. You have your Heavenly Father. O Easyrose, you have MY awe and admiration. You have OUR eternal friendship. You have the pure love of Divine Spirit. You are part of the solution. From the farthest reaches of infinity, I pray, bless you . . . O Easyrose . . . bless us. Peace be our hearts. Aummm . . . Aummm . . . Amen SoS Edited by: SonofSpirit at: 11/10/02 8:01:39 pm
SonofSpirit Registered User (11/9/02 12:45 pm) Reply	Re: Getting it Devotee1970: Thank you for your kind words to us our Easyrose. Dear ones, I exclude none of you in this response to my friend, our friend, Devotee1970. So please, drink of my thoughts in each of your hearts, for within this thread we are family. Devotee1970, I believe that within your plane of understanding is the yawning and stretching of wholetruth. It has become evident to me that the largess of your heart and breadth of your understanding is not contained within the wisdom of simple words well chosen. By having many times reread your thoughts and advice to dear Easyrose, tis clear to me that you “get it”. Yes, I agree that Easyrose gets it as well or better than those who think that they do get it. How truly I know what it is like to know you get it as painfully opposed to (once me) those who are still suffering with the illusion of knowing and truly understanding the “it” of spirituality. With deepest humility, I know that I am getting it, not because I am “there”, but because I am able to look back on the path of my development and thereby see where I have been. Part of knowing you are getting it occurs when you become aware of how ignorant you were when you erroneously thought you had it. I was the worst offender. And in that awareness is the truth of how very little you really do know. And yet, part of getting it is in accepting ourselves as limited in our spiritual states; we are gnats in understanding an unfathomable God. Getting it includes, “For me, God is someone that I can only experience in my heart - not someone I can know intellectually.” Oh, how true! Devotee1970, how it pleases me to hear you so simply state such profound philosophy. Yes, understanding slowly does come. My bent has been toward the intellectualizing in order to understand. You say: “In lieu of trying to understand, I try to find peace with not understanding.” Dear, Devotee1970, how very far you have come, as your humble wisdom reveals. I cannot tell you how long it has taken me to move beyond my compulsive, sometimes desperate, intellectualizing, and into your peaceful realm of simply accepting and finding peace. To wit: A good friend (of whom I may later speak) follows no prescribed path, muses not over the “why” of it all, fully embraces life in manners some might condemn; and yet, he is a truly good human being as well as a great soul. But only I know it, for he wears it not on his sleeve. For years he has told me to quit thinking about “it”, for the “great it” will unfold in its own time. All things take time, including spiritual evolution. But now, I “get” this much of “it”. Obviously, you do also. You believe: “. . . true wisdom isn’t knowing all the “whats” and “hows” . . . but learning to love God and His children and find peace with not knowing the “big why.” Dear, Devotee1970, exactly! You do indeed get it. And to get it you must be spiritually aware enough to be aware of the higher spiritual subtleties. This is a form of walking meditation in which you are so aware of Spirit in everything that daily activities, events, people, all, are regarded as coming from God or as expressions of God. I see this always in heretofore seemingly negative events which must have been negated by God or through Guruji, because the degree of the negative event could have been much worse. This is called Divine intervention. Another name for such intervention is “miracle”. This is what I meant when I said I have miracles daily. Too, in almost everyone I meet I see expressions of God. I see God behind the simple loving acts of everyone: a smile, a friendly gesture, a laugh. And so, I am in constant joy of God. Getting it is far to all-encompassing to fully or adequately detail. Let me just add that getting it includes a quiet humbleness of what you are. So, I know what you mean, my friend, when you say you have said more than you intended. But here in the thread that is Easyrose, by her courageous candor, she has granted our hearts permission to speak of our inner us. For that I am grateful. It is thus that I am so blessed to know an iota of you soul’s beauty, blessed to reread your simple words as deeply held prayers, and graced that my beating heart is held in your willing hands. What a wonderful true devotee of the teachings you are; for you seek peace, you spread joy, you inspire understanding. Please, my dear friend, indulge me with your depth, that I may reread and understand. Truly, with devotion, SoS.
soulcircle Registered User (11/9/02 2:05 pm) Reply	Easyrose How are you?
Devotee1970 Registered User (11/9/02 7:53 pm) Reply	Re: Getting it SonofSpirit, you see the good in others because there is so much of this quality in yourself. You inspire me to do more to try to live up to the ideals to which I aspire. SonofSpirit, Easyrose, others: Thank you for speaking from your hearts. The warmth and compassion you have all shown touches me deeply. Devotee1970
Easyrose Registered User (11/10/02 8:29 am) Reply	Re: How am I Hi, Mr. soulcircle and you all. I am ok, really. I have been thinking a lot about me and life and what’s it all about more then usual since I found you all. You say stuff that I heard before and makes more sense to me when I hear you walrus people say it. But there’s one thing. It seems to me that some of you are mad at Yogananda because of SRF I guess and don’t use him for your guru so I’m really confused why you bother with him. I mean if he’s a fake why don’t you forget about him? Are you guys on walrus to make me believe the way you do? I mean I am trying to understand but I’m really confused about it and don’t get it. I like what gardendiva says that I need to seprate Yogananda from SRF because I think SRF is using Yogananda to make money. I mean, I’ll tell you something. Jesus is like Yogananda and church is like SRF because sometimes I really felt I wanted to go to church so on Sundays I’d find a church and go in and I’m like a homeless person looks so a lot of times somebody would tell me to leave because I did not have a really clean or fancy dress to wear. So I would wait outside for the congregation to come out and ask for some change. Sometimes some one would give me a quarter or a dollar but mostly I got bad looks or they’d act like I wasn’t there or something. And I’d think would Jesus look the other way or would Yogananda not care about me like the church doesn’t care about me and SRF doesn’t care about me? I mean, how can you be good people and talk bad about the man that wants you to be good people? So I’m really confused. But I think being happy is more then a warm day because I had lots of warm days when I was really hungry but I wasn’t too happy. I’m sorry I don’t sound like a yogi who doesn’t care about his body or anything because I’m not strong like that. I mean even tho I still try to be good and love everybody like Jesus said I can’t really meditate or think nice things about God when I’m really hungry and my stomach hurts me. But I still try to learn something everyday so I can get out of my fix. I mean I don’t want to feel sorry for myself because I know I don’t have that right because there are little kids all over the world hungry too and hurting really bad. I mean, God put me here in America for some reason so I know I could be worse off. Sonof Spirit made a lot of sense to me about me not being no body and Devotee1970 makes me feel like his little girl sitting on his lap with lots of fatherly hugs and big arms to wrap around me to make me safe. So I know God is working all the time because a lot of times when I really need something like a ride or a place to stay God sends some body to make it happen. So I am happy to know that God and I have this relationship. I know there are good folks in the world who really care about strangers like soulcircle does and SonofSpirit talks about us being one family and lately I been feeling like this too. I mean I had a lot of really ugly people to some bad stuff to me for I don’t know why but then some stranger would help me and be kind so I know there is God out there too and not just mean people. So I am a lot more happy right now and I feel better about my self and life and I don’t what will ever happen to me so I am learning to really trust God and my guru who is Yogananda to look after me. I feel like I have more love in my heart now and I’m not so scared to show it because of all of you Walrus guys. And I admit that God is strange in how He makes things come together to happen like God make this nice walrus person want to make this site so I could find you all and maybe be saved. Did Mr. Walrus ever thing of that? So I know I’m on a long road but at least it has friends even if I don’t know you if I see you. And I want to tell you I heard about Yogananda when these people I tole you about I was with talked about their gurus so I knew his name. But one day I was in a book store looking at Hindu and Zen books and the like and I saw his picture on a book and it was like some body hit me in my chest and my heart stopped and I couldn’t remember to breathe any more. And everything got black around me except for his picture and I had a really weird feeling like I didn’t exist any more and then I was lying on the floor in the book store and I was confused and all embarrassed because people were around me. And they took me to a chair to sit and I couldn’t understand why I fainted or anything. Then I felt the book in my hand and I remembered beautiful lights all around and the voice I tole you all about calling my name. And that’s how I met Yogananda and he became my guru. So there you have it. I do love you. Rose.
soulcircle Registered User (11/10/02 10:29 am) Reply	(((( Easyrose )))) Thank You Email Me please <heypoet@aol.com> soulcircle

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